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[MMS-China]

I thought those countries were all in on wiping out Israel.

Jordan has been intercepting missiles heading for Israel fired from Yemen. They are part of the planned economic/gas corridor.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

But it seems so far Iran is not taking the bait. And is acting in minor ways through proxy forces.

Iran and Hezbollah were caught entirely offguard by Hamas' actions on Oct 7th, they have absolutely nothing in position or plans made to screw with Israel, Iran is still spinning plates trying to deal with the Armenian-Azerbaijan situation and manage their proxies in Syria and Iraq. Hezbollah is largely a defensive force as well, plus they're dealing with the fallout of Beruit getting leveled by that port blast years later, Lebanon is collapsing as a country and they don't want to rock the boat at all. The 2020s have been punishing all around for all parties involved in the Middle East, everyone except Israel is punch drunk from continuous military action in some form or another. First it was peak GWOT with the Iraq War, then that spiraled out into the "Arab Spring" coups which made the region into an anarchic hellscape, ISIS only got wiped off the map in very late 2017 which left Iraq more destroyed than it was from the American invasion. Maybe 2 years of "peace" in the region as the Syrian Civil War went cold only for covid to fuck up the global economy with the lockdown frenzy. Armenia and Azerbaijan start feuding in 2020 until today which is drawing the regional powers in as well.

The Middle East debacle is not desired by anyone, the major powers are pissed at Israel for the blood frenzy bullshit they're doing, but they're more furious with Hamas for galvanizing all of the local militant groups into action when things were finally settling down. Its also radicalizing people as well. The only benefactors out of this shitshow is Russia and China because its created another quagmire for the US to fall into when its already overstretched with Ukraine.

 

[LurkTrawl]

The only benefactors out of this shitshow is Russia and China because its created another quagmire for the US to fall into when its already overstretched with Ukraine.

The U.S. government and the MIC have wanted war with Iran for thirty years now.
This shit too:

The general theory from geopolitical pundits is the US/Israel needs Palestinians gone so they can move forward with the Saudi>India>Israel Economic/Gas corridor deal.

has been around for a while as an explanation for a lot of the sandbox bullshit from the U.S. I remember first reading about the gas pipeline corridor shit back in 2013. That said the Hamas shit seemingly was an unexpected turn of events but what kind of government would the U.S. be if it didn't make the best out of a good crisis.

The only reason the U.S. gov seems even remotely hesitant on this is due to not getting the unilateral Israel dick sucking that they're used to, the shit recruitment rate, and the situation with Ukraine having gone the way it has. I'm frankly about as astonished as the old fucks in the Gay Old Party must be that the backlash has been as extreme as it has over the concept of sending money, munitions, and troops into that shitfire of a situation.

 

[MMS-China]

The only reason the U.S. gov seems even remotely hesitant on this is due to not getting the unilateral Israel dick sucking that they're used to, the shit recruitment rate, and the situation with Ukraine having gone the way it has. I'm frankly about as astonished as the old fucks in the Gay Old Party must be that the backlash has been as extreme as it has over the concept of sending money, munitions, and troops into that shitfire of a situation.

I think it's just the prevalent mindset in the West. Even among posters on this site and elsewhere, that things in the rest of the world has remained static since the 1960's. The Western Empire is still at it's peak and no-one ever decided it was time to prepare the next time the Western Empire wanted to reach out and control the resources of the world. First they needed to do so economically, before they had any chance of doing anything militarily. Ukraine proved that now the West is not infallible.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I think it's just the prevalent mindset in the West. Even among posters on this site and elsewhere, that things in the rest of the world has remained static since the 1960's. The Western Empire is still at it's peak and no-one ever decided it was time to prepare the next time the Western Empire wanted to reach out and control the resources of the world.

I agree with this, it's pretty unreal to see people now after the shit with "two moms" going on in our military, and to look at the recruitment and reputation of our military, and think that somehow this shit would hold up the way it might've in the 80's-90's.

To be fair I still had that opinion until somewhat recently when I decided to really examine what logic I was using to justify this idea that "MURICA STRONK" was still applicable.

Ukraine proved that now the West is not infallible. No empire rules forever.

I mean, "the West" is a laughable category error when talking about this shit which is why I always call it "The West™". And yes while it's obvious that Ukraine was a mistake I don't know why anybody could possibly think "Ah, this is the shining example on the hill as to why The West™ is not in fact infallible!" as if there weren't many points in the past near-century of american policy and it's consequences, foreign and domestic, that could be - and indeed many people have - used as points against the competency of the HNIC.

And while no empire rules forever, which is obviously true, I'd hope nobody would be stupid enough to think that with the fall of the U.S. comes a golden oppoltunity fol grorious expansion. Because the knock-on effects that it'll have are going to be fucking biblical on a global scale.

 

[MMS-China]

And while no empire rules forever, which is obviously true, I'd hope nobody would be stupid enough to think that with the fall of the U.S. comes a golden oppoltunity fol grorious expansion. Because the knock-on effects that it'll have are going to be fucking biblical on a global scale.

I don't think it's expansion they are looking for. It's business deals. An economic line stretching from China through Russia, into Europe. Why do you think so many US companies started moving operations to India and the rest of US controlled SE Asia? Because they can't let BRICS break the Western empire.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I don't think it's expansion they are looking for. It's business deals. An economic line stretching from China through Russia, into Europe. Why do you think so many US companies started moving operations to India? Because they can't let BRICS break the Western empire.

I think you misread what I meant there in the section you quoted.

That's a completely separate statement from anything to do with the US pipeline if it's indeed the reasoning behind a bunch of the sandbox shenanigans the U.S. has been up to for a few decades now. I'm in full agreement as to the purpose of it other than the notion that it was made in an attempt to circumvent any threat brought by BRICS.

BRICS has only recently started seriously making plays against the primacy of the petrodollar. Maybe it was some kind of deterrent against something like what's been done after the gaggle of coconut-fucking monkeys many here call "leaders" decided to show their flaccid dick to Russia over the UKR invasion, but I doubt beforehand it was in direct correlation to it as an organization.

 

[MMS-China]

BRICS has only recently started seriously making plays against the primacy of the petrodollar. Maybe it was some kind of deterrent against something like what's been done after the gaggle of coconut-fucking monkeys many here call "leaders" decided to show their flaccid dick to Russia over the UKR invasion, but I doubt beforehand it was in direct correlation to it as an organization.

The petrodollar is only part of it. There still needs to be a manufacturing, energy, and distribution line to compete with the West. Even the banking transfers now have an alternative. That's what they mean by multipolarity. A coalition of nations offered as an alternative.

 

[Absolutego]

No, it’s Taco Time. Way better than Taco John’s.

How fucking bad does a taco joint have to be that Taco Time is the better option?
Like, Taco Bell is more authentic. Only barely so, but still.

 

[LurkTrawl]

The petrodollar is only part of it. There still needs to be a manufacturing, energy, and distribution line to compete with the West. Even the banking transfers now have an alternative. That's what they mean by multipolarity. A coalition of nations offered as an alternative.

It says a lot that you think the petrodollar is only part of the equation.

Or rather, that you apparently don't get that of the equation, it's the most significant if not the only part that matters.

Banking? Manufacturing? Energy?

I mean sure those are important but if you sink the petrodollar, you sink the U.S. But again BRICS has only begun to actually make moves in that direction in any meaningful way after what the fucking retards in "The West™" pulled on Russia. It's illogical to think that the pipeline was made specifically as a move against that organization rather than being planned for the benefit of american petrol companies.

 

[MMS-China]

It says a lot that you think the petrodollar is only part of the equation.

Or rather, that you apparently don't get that of the equation, it's the most significant if not the only part that matters.

Banking? Manufacturing? Energy?

I mean sure those are important but if you sink the petrodollar, you sink the U.S. But again BRICS has only begun to actually make moves in that direction in any meaningful way after what the fucking retards in "The West™" pulled on Russia.

I don't think so, if you just remove the petrodollar everything just collapses. You need a gradual shift, and alternate options offered by BRICS in order not to just crash the world economy. The people in BRICS aren't just going to sign up to crash the petrodollar, that's just suicide. You offer something that will also build their own countries economies up.

 

[LurkTrawl]

I don't think so, if you just remove the petrodollar everything just collapses. You need a gradual shift, and alternate options offered by BRICS in order not to just crash the world economy. The people in BRICS aren't just going to sign up to crash the petrodollar, it's just suicide.

Well given that what they're doing is moving towards accomplishing that goal, it would seem the state actors involved don't care for reasons unknown to people like us, I'd personally presume it's due to the same shit that afflicts a lot of idiots in power.

By the way, "alternative options" for the petrodollar is equivalent to removing it. It functions on its primacy. You remove that, you remove its value. It doesn't take much either for it to, theoretically, lead to a feedback loop economically that ends in the crashing of the U.S. and by extension world, economy. To restate that: the U.S. being the world reserve currency is dependent on it being the only currency used for the purchase of oil.

 

[MMS-China]

Well given that what they're doing is moving towards accomplishing that goal, it would seem the state actors involved don't care for reasons unknown to people like us, I'd personally presume it's due to the same shit that afflicts a lot of idiots in power.

By the way, "alternative options" for the petrodollar is equivalent to removing it. It functions on its primacy. You remove that, you remove its value. It doesn't take much either for it to, theoretically, lead to a feedback loop economically that ends in the crashing of the U.S. and by extension world, economy. To restate that: the U.S. being the world reserve currency is dependent on it being the only currency used for the purchase of oil.

You've been paying attention to financial markets? The sanctions the US placed against Russia may have accelerated the trend. As Oil and Gas is now starting to be traded through proxy nations in Yuan, Rubles and Rupees. The bond market is looking dire at the moment. Sure the US may turn into Venezuela in 20 years. But those nations primary concerns are themselves. Not the US.

 

[LurkTrawl]

You've been paying attention to financial markets? The sanctions the US placed against Russia may have accelerated the trend. As Oil and Gas is now starting to be traded through proxy nations in Yuan, Rubles and Rupees. Sure the US may turn into Venezuela in 20 years. But those nations primary concerns are themselves. Not the US.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about.

And I hate to be blunt, but you're fucking retarded if you think the US can turn into Venezuela and it'll be a good thing for anybody on the global stage. Like I said:

And while no empire rules forever, which is obviously true, I'd hope nobody would be stupid enough to think that with the fall of the U.S. comes a golden oppoltunity fol grorious expansion. Because the knock-on effects that it'll have are going to be fucking biblical on a global scale.

When the tipping point for trades in non-dollar currencies for the petrodollar to have what could be considered "real competition" is reached, things are going to go to shit rather quickly. Those exchanges from what I understand aren't anything currently to be worried about as they're not competitive with the dollar, at least not nearly enough to start deflating its value.

I guess you've got the same affliction as the guys heading BRICS do.

And for the record, these problems aren't something a single pipeline would somehow alleviate.

 

[BubbleButt]

No, it’s Taco Time. Way better than Taco John’s.

How fucking dare you? I'm going to invade your country and kill some foreign festival goers in retaliation for this insult.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Never thought I would live to see the day.

That Lindsey Graham doesn't view Israel as his numba one priority.

 

[MMS-China]

Because the knock-on effects that it'll have are going to be fucking biblical on a global scale.

In what way? The US is largely a service economy. I'm sure there will be difficulties. But to say the Earth didn't function before the US came into being is a bit US-centric. I'm more worried about the US nuking everyone in order to retain it's empire. Maybe not in the military sense. In the cyberwarfare sense.

 

[LurkTrawl]

In what way? The US is largely a service economy. I'm sure there will be difficulties. But to say the Earth didn't function before the US came into being is a bit US-centric. I'm more worried about the US nuking everyone in order to retain it's empire.

I'll leave it at this for now because I don't want to turn the next few pages into a back-and-forth, and this one has gone on long enough already.

I didn't say the world couldn't function before the U.S. came into being, nor insinuate it. If you think somehow the fallout of an empire that is interconnected into the world's systems of trade, finance, manufacturing, and power balancing isn't going to have an effect globally, then I'd implore you to actually think about what the possible impacts of the U.S. ceasing to function might be beyond what you posit here, as you clearly haven't considered the possible ramifications.

The U.S. nuking anybody presumes that in the case that this were to happen that the current U.S. government would be intact instead of in a state of chaos. I'll give you the same advice I gave another guy in this thread recently: think more than one level and in more than one direction about shit like this.

 

[Qtinterval]

How fucking bad does a taco joint have to be that Taco Time is the better option?
Like, Taco Bell is more authentic. Only barely so, but still.

Taco John's is really fucking bad. About the only thing that's edible are the tots.

 

[MMS-China]

I'll leave it at this for now because I don't want to turn the next few pages into a back-and-forth, and this one has gone on long enough already.

I didn't say the world couldn't function before the U.S. came into being, nor insinuate it. If you think somehow the fallout of an empire that is interconnected into the world's systems of trade, finance, manufacturing, and power balancing isn't going to have an effect globally, then I'd implore you to actually think about what the possible impacts of the U.S. ceasing to function might be beyond what you posit here, as you clearly haven't considered the possible ramifications.

The U.S. nuking anybody presumes that in the case that this were to happen that the current U.S. government would be intact instead of in a state of chaos. I'll give you the same advice I gave another guy in this thread recently: think more than one level and in more than one direction about shit like this.

I think there's a bit of a disconnect in our communication. But I'm not going to derail the thread further.