2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[JJLiautaud]

Pro-Israel rallies in Japan:
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The Japanese read The Protocols and were like "Neat, can we get some?" The oriental mind is sometimes unfathomable.

 

[EyeGuy]

New footage (disturbing, but not graphic) from Hamas bodycam, with subtitles. They threaten to kill him, beat him, and call him a "dog", "animal", and "pig":
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I'm trying to wrap my head around westoid Muslims simping for Andrew Tate "because he's my Muslim brother" but jerking off over this. I guess a guy doing honest work on a Jewish farm is higher on their haram scale than sex trafficking.

These are core principles that guide wars in the name of God in Islam. Islam forbids injustice, even if it may seem to benefit "the in-group" or one's self.

How is it acting in the name of God, or even "benefiting the in-group", to beat, rob and murder other Muslims? Am I missing something here, or can you point me to some "authentic hadeeths" that can islamically inform me why this is permitted?

English translation of interview (archive) with the victim's brother:

Hello Joad, before we talk about the monetary reward you’re offering for any information, tell us about your brother and how he managed to save people on October 7.
"He was working the night shift there when suddenly rockets started flying. He ran for the nearby bomb shelter and there were other people there. Yesterday, I talked to a woman who survived this and she told me: ‘your brother spoke to them [Hamas terrorists] in Arabic, and told them there was a family there and not to harm the women, there weren't soldiers there, just innocent civilians, unarmed, a family, and he told everyone beforehand not to speak Hebrew."
So your brother started negotiating with the terrorists.
"Yes, he negotiated and talked to them, and they abused him. You can see in the video. They took his watch, jewelry and money, these animals didn’t leave him be."
A part of the footage you saw from the dashboard cam shows the terrorists undressing, abusing and humiliating him.
"I have the whole video here, there were more than six people there, there were many more. They had two more pickup trucks in the back. I also have footage from the camera on the other side, but I don’t want to release it. He has children, a mother. Watching this video felt like we’re being killed once again."
So, you’ve released an announcement saying you’ll give one million dollars to anyone who’ll provide you with information on Osama’s killers. Tell me, even if someone does provide you with a tip, how are you planning to get to the killers assuming they're in Gaza?
"We don’t have family in Gaza, all of my family lives here, but this is a blood feud – these people tortured him and it’s not a simple matter. My Bedouin, Druze and Jewish friends approached me asking to help us. If their families don’t fear us, they'll do it again and again because this is a blood feud. Bedouins in Israel kill one another over trivialities all the time, so don’t you expect everyone, and the world, to rise up in this case?"
It’s important for you to close this circle and know who these people were.
"First of all, our religion, Islam, doesn’t tell us to do such things. You don’t murder children, nor the elderly, nor torture people, even if they’re in the military. You can take them hostage, but to torture and murder someone like that is unacceptable.
Is there a mechanism you have to wire the funds to anyone who shares information with you, if they manage to do so, especially if it comes from the Gaza Strip?
“Yes, there is”
So you’ve thought this through.
"We have connections and many people called us including Jews who have ties over there and talked to us, but now is time for war, there’ll be time for that later."
I’ll tell you what, I hope these terrorist criminals will be offed by IDF troops so you can spare both your million dollars and your blood feud. And that they’ll be eliminated over there so you won’t need to deal with this.
"Look, this is a blood feud and we have nothing to say on the matter, it’s not only my brothers and my family who want it, it’s the entire world. Hamas is a crime syndicate, not a state working against a state. People there murder people for money and their own interests. This isn’t about a state or the war, this is about the people there. They only want more money and then fire rockets at Israel so that it has a chance to take a picture of a dead Palestinian child and show the world. We know this and we’ve had enough of Hamas, ISIS, and their violence. It’s not only about my brother, we’re aching for the Jewish children who were murdered as well, and the 80-year-old woman who was abducted, who does something like this?"
We should take into account that these terrorists might’ve been killed in the battles there, we have no way of knowing.
"They have people there [in Gaza] and they have family there, and they're always in a rush to end the fighting and come out again. They need to know they shouldn’t mess with Israel, but it always ends the conflict on Hamas’ terms. Do you know how many Bedouins were taken? They took a 17-year-old girl, what do they want from her? She speaks Arabic and is a Muslim. They killed pregnant women and abducted the elderly. Do you know what happened there?"
Do you think that Israel as a state might’ve been talking with Hamas using the wrong terms?
"You’re using the wrong terms and keep giving Hamas their way. Look, their Islam doesn’t represent us, they’re not true Muslims. A Muslim doesn’t murder, they hide behind our Islamic religion, ours is a religion of peace and respect. Our religion tells us not to murder. It says much, but not to torture.

 

[NyQuilninja]

Please dont be a bigot. This is their ancient tradition that we should respect and accept for cultural enrichment.

By all means your right the Islamic religious community should have their own holiday celebrating this brave tradition

 

[twisted cycle path]

The Japanese read The Protocols and are like "Neat, can we get some?" The oriental mind is sometimes unfathomable.

They have identified another country with similar aims and values. If they didn't support Israel's goal of keeping the stinky goyim out they'd be a hypocrite in pursuing their own goal of keeping the stinky gaijin out. Rearu recognize rearu, as they might say.

Now that I'm thinking about it, public opinion of Israel would probably be much higher if they developed more video games instead of shitty startups.

 

[Racist Trash]

What really made me realize how serious Israelis are about this is my friend in Tel Aviv.

I remember him back when the second intifada had just kicked off and he was constantly hating on his government and sympathizing with the Palestinians. And since social media cam onto the scene, he was constantly schilling peace posts and the most liberal causes in Israel, two state solution, end Zionism, etc etc.

Now after the 7th he's finally seemed to realize that "holy shit, these people want to kill me" and is now total Gaza death. Kind of interesting how one event can destroy 20 something years of programming.

It's not too surprising considering the utter clusterfuck Hamas and co commited at the start of this, they did something so retarded that there was no more ignoring them. Straight up breaking containment and then livestreaming yourself actively seeking out, brutalising and then murdering civilians en mass is peak retardation especially if the only reason you continue to exist is at the mercy of others.
Nevermind the fact this entire thing had no achievable victory goal for them just means that it was having a rampage to just kill some Jews and take some hostages.

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

public opinion of Israel would probably be much higher if they developed more video games instead of shitty startups.

Doubly so if all those startups weren't "we make software to completely subvert and monitor your cell phone and sell it to USG lol"

 

[Solid Hyrax]

Doubly so if all those startups weren't "we make software to completely subvert and monitor your cell phone and sell it to USG lol"

Israel companies do make games! ...mobile games

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

You know, I do find it interesting how this thread is essentially the pro-Israel thread and the opinion thread is the pro-Palestinian one. While the Russia and Ukraine threads are of similar page count in the hundreds, this thread is massive while the opinion poll one is still double digits. Weird given how 40% are neutral on this issue.

 

[EyeGuy]

You know, I do find it interesting how this thread is essentially the pro-Israel thread and the opinion thread is the pro-Palestinian one. While the Russia and Ukraine threads are of similar page count in the hundreds, this thread is massive while the opinion poll one is still double digits. Weird given how 40% are neutral on this issue.

Shockingly, it turns out that most of the pro-Palestinian posters were /pol/fags who shit up the thread and got swept for it. There's around three users who actually speak Arabic and none of them seem particularly inclined to schizopost about how 7/10 was a false-flag so Israel can build a canal to Eilat or nuke Rome.

Who else is there? Groypers got pink-triangled off the Farms a while ago, and the NJP shills probably don't have the energy to leave their hugbox thread and explain why it's ackshually based that brown mobs are tearing down American flags on Veteran's Day, goy.

The Indonesian Hospital generator is running on sunflower oil now:


Palestinians say 49 journalists, have been killed by Israel so far, 4% of Gaza's pre-war number:

Israel has banned Hezbollah-aligned Al Mayadeen TV:

Launch of the Arrow 3 that successfully intercepted a Houthi missile last Thursday:

Spoiler: Pictures

 

[Racist Trash]

The Indonesian Hospital generator is running on sunflower oil now:

Even if that works wouldn't that be a ridiculously small amount of fuel to run a hospital off?

 

[Just_Somebody]

Even if that works wouldn't that be a ridiculously small amount of fuel to run a hospital off?

Stop asking questions. Just accept this piece of Palestinian propaganda and demand a ceasefire now.

To powerlevel a bit, something my mom pointed out to me is that often when you see "injured" children, at least what they show on the news, they have them face out, or face exposed, and not nuzzling a baby/child. She's basically checked out completely on anything from the Palestinian side, viewing it as basically fake bullshit.

 

[behindyourightnow]

They say they want to support the laws of war, while saying because one belligerent party put its command and control bunkers under hospitals the other side has to stop, because it's just unbearable for the hospitals to come under attack. and just think of the children! no, not the Israeli children kidnapped on October 7, the Palestinian ones suffering in retaliation.

You know, what's interesting is not one of the weeping blue-haired Hamas supporters seems to have asked themselves why the fuck doesn't anyone in Gaza have bomb shelters? Those have been pretty standard technology in cities since World War II, right? And it's not like Hamas doesn't have digging equipment and infrastructure. Could it be that Hamas actually doesn't care about the lives of the local civilians except as propaganda? Crazy.

Another question I'm dying for an answer two is why exactly Israel would waste time, soldier's lives, and the goodwill of other nations to attack the Al Shifa hospital if they didn't think Hamas was headquartered under it. Apparently Israel is so evil that they are just focusing their ground offensive on a hospital for the hell of it, despite all the propaganda fuel it gives to their enemies. Every person at every level of command in the IDF is just salivating to kill people in this one particular hospital so much that they'll literally hurt their own interests to do it.

You'd think they'd slake their bloodlust by just mowing down some random civilians not associated with Al Shifa, but no, it's this one oddly specific evil task they want to carry out for some reason.

 

[Vaclav]

And every last part of their world view has been broken by this war. By chanting "river to the sea" they call for the extermination of millions of people. while saying they are fighting against genocide. They say they want to support the laws of war, while saying because one belligerent party put its command and control bunkers under hospitals the other side has to stop, because it's just unbearable for the hospitals to come under attack. and just think of the children! no, not the Israeli children kidnapped on October 7, the Palestinian ones suffering in retaliation.

And above all else never say there is a military solution to the problem. Because there actually is a military solution. And Israel is in the process of carrying it out. Even if it means the Neo-Natal intensive care ward above the Hamas military HQ has to become a tomb rather then a place of healing.

Are you saying that supporting genocide is out of character for the left? Or applying principles inconsistently? There are no bad tactics, just bad targets remember? They've indulged in bigger hypocrisies than this without breaking a sweat. They salivate over Hamas because what they saw in the bodycam videos is what they want to do in the West.

Now after the 7th he's finally seemed to realize that "holy shit, these people want to kill me" and is now total Gaza death. Kind of interesting how one event can destroy 20 something years of programming.

The conflict has galvanized millions more Jews to support Israel unconditionally and billions of others to oppose it. We'll see in time who benefits more from this.

How is it acting in the name of God, or even "benefiting the in-group", to beat, rob and murder other Muslims? Am I missing something here, or can you point me to some "authentic hadeeths" that can islamically inform me why this is permitted?

Muslims have an interesting ability to mentally blank out things that contradict their doctrines. For example, when asking them about the reasons for differences between Muslim sects, they will say "Islam is undivided" and "the Koran can speak for itself, every true believer will interpret it the same way" while ignoring the centuries of sectarian war suggesting otherwise.

There's a lot of doublethink present in their scripture, too. Their law basically says "don't attack people who pose no threat to you" but goes on to say that you're permitted to "defend yourself" if you think that someone might later attack you, wink wink. And as End Game alluded to, any leader who doesn't follow Islam is considered to be doing injury to any Muslim under their rule. If they convert one person living under a non-Islamic government they have causus belli to overthrow it.

 

[Erasmus of Rotterdam]

Assad killed 200,000 Muslims.....


Islam has amnesia.



Jew smirks at Muslims.


Aloha Snackbar lets Jihad

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Groypers

Is this gay movement still not dead? wtf

 

[Agent of Z.O.G.]

U.S. bases keep getting bombed.
No casualties reported all this time, but I seriously doubt the islams would fail to smoke a single mutt after all this time.

 

[EyeGuy]

IDF striking southern Lebanon again:

IDF armor near Shifa. Looks like a cope cage did its job:

Wouldn't be an Israeli war without pinkwashing:

Doing the meme:

One of the electric company workers injured yesterday by a Hezbollah missile has died:

Givati soldiers officially finishing their training in Gaza City:

 

[IamnottheNSA]

Looks like a cope cage did its job

I suppose that's why people are not laughing at them anymore.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The conflict has galvanized millions more Jews to support Israel unconditionally and billions of others to oppose it. We'll see in time who benefits more from this.

Leftists are notoriously fickle and jump onto the next trend as soon as they can, and buckle at the slightest inconvenience, so having a ethnic group that rarely forgets largely unified behind you (not all the jews, but many) is the winning strategy in my opinion.

Its also tangently related to the US position in this case.

If you look at the middle east, states and players come and go. What state has been a consistent power in the region, not changed sides, hasn't had a civil war with Islamists or is constantly flip flopping between sides one day and then the next trying to return to your side? Israel.

Honestly, that alone is probably why the US signaled so hard for Israel this time. The Saudis may be here tomorrow, or they may drift elsewhere regardless of what we do. Turkey may be the same. Hamas or whatever Palestinian organization there is today may not be around in 20 years, when some new islamist faction takes power.
Why would you go to town for a side that may not even exist in 20, let alone 10 years, or may have radically different leadership?

Israel isn't the most consistent in terms of US support, but its miles ahead of the Saudis or the Turks on that affair, so it makes sense that the US would bet on the regime. Vice versa, anti-Israelism is often just a proxy for anti-Westernism, so all the eggs kind of line up on that one.

 

[The giant penis of doom]

You know, I do find it interesting how this thread is essentially the pro-Israel thread and the opinion thread is the pro-Palestinian one. While the Russia and Ukraine threads are of similar page count in the hundreds, this thread is massive while the opinion poll one is still double digits.

Two important factors not mentioned by the other response. First is that the distinction is not as clear cut in the thread namings, the "opinion" thread accidentally became the "opposite" thread, due to alleged one sided enforcing of rules of this thread to not sperg. If they were named accordingly, with proper intros, there might be more parity. Second, the sane people (aka who dislike Jews) tend to be the "leave me to grill" people, so they are less active, and associating with actual pro Palestine people is a no-no, why would anyone want to help sandniggers?
Basically the two vague groups who are anti-Israel are not good friends at all, while the pro-Israel shills align a lot better.