2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

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Getting harder and harder to deflect on the hospital base shit. Seeing a surge of hysterics in the usual media and SM over the fight nearing the hospital. Major hand wringing over how the fighting in the area needs to end/pause quickly. The IDF needs to stop and move away from the hospital too... for reasons. Apparently palestinian lives depend on Israel not getting near the hospital in any form or something.

Getting really hard to take a lot of media (even western media now too) seriously on this stuff. They seem to take their stories and headlines right from hamas leaders at this point. Like the UN and much of the so-called "human rights" groups.

Apparently the hostages are INSIDE Shifa?!

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Apparently the hostages are INSIDE Shifa?!

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you know... to keep them healthy

 

[NewFagWhore]

Tehran Times leaks a confidential conference call of ADL director Jonathan Greenblatt.

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The western kikes still don't wanna face the fact that they built up a Golem that is now gearing up to curbstomp them. "Its not a left vs right divide" yeah fucking right, right wing youth might not care for israel, the left wing youth is in the streets calling for your death right now.
They STILL wanna think that once this dies down they'll be able to control the brown rape hordes they imported into the West and replace the white goy.
The eternal jewish short sightedness peaks its head out yet again, but guess what? next time someone (brown) tries to holocaust you in 60 years, there won't be any white people left to fight a world war for you.

 

[Victory Leo]

Pictures from the rally

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the fucks going on with this picture? is it just a shitty filter or AI generated?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

the fucks going on with this picture? is it just a shitty filter or AI generated?

My phone's camera sucks and I had to zoom in to get it since I was far away.

 

[Leakage Current]

Dresden wasn't a war crime, its actually a nazi talking point, that got taken up by the soviets ironically. People really need to understand that war crime has a very specific legal context.

Has anyone in this thread claimed Dresden was a war crime? I simply picked the first Western city that suffered severe casualties that came to mind for this example and looked it up.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Has anyone in this thread claimed Dresden was a war crime? I simply picked the first Western city that suffered severe casualties that came to mind for this example and looked it up.

I had at least alluded to the idea way earlier when there was discussion about Iraq or one of those places and questionable US targeting practices, so I made a joke about "lol get in line"

 

[mindlessobserver]

Dresden gets thrown around as an example of an Allied War Crime largely due to Curtis "Bombs Away" Le May who famously said

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier."

His general attitude to the USAF bombing campaign of Germany and Japan when asked about whether or not his units actions were in keeping with the laws of war. Keep in mind Strategic Bombing was a new concept at the time. The idea that cities could leveled from the air wasnt even something considered back when the war started. People were still handwringing over how it might be possible to surrender to a fighter aircraft doing strafing runs.

What LeMay did to Japan however was not a war crime, and not just because he was on the winning the side. The USAF did not have a deliberate strategy of attacking the German Population. It was bombing factories, bridges, railway yards and so on. It just so happened lots of civilians worked in these places and lived nearby. And WW2 bombs had shit accuracy.

What LeMay meant in that quote was the purpose of war is too kill people, and if you get hung up on the morality of killing to the point you become incapable of carrying out the missions you are going to fail at your job as a soldier.

 

[Jump]

I really hate this mentality that seems so prevalent where the average Joe (Or Achmed) on the street is somehow absolved of responsibility for the actions of their government solely because they have no direct say in it Government is simply the expressed will of a society. Whether that will is given freely or coerced is immaterial to the fact that every person contributes to the functioning of a society and every person bears the benefits that society provides...and it's costs

Interesting. This is the same logic terrorist groups use when they target Americans. The US government does evil shit so that makes every American a valid target.

JEW FIGHT

We already knew this was the end game. Ship them all over to the West. Why else are they are leveling high rises, schools, and hospitals? Is every single building is a hamas "base" of operations? Actually no. Its just about making the place rubble so the people of Gaza can never return.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Interesting. This is the same logic terrorist groups use when they target Americans. The US government does evil shit so that makes every American a valid target.

I would not be surprised if they did. It's good logic. The problem with being a terrorist though is you are a non-state actor. Which means you cannot be negotiated with and terms cannot be reached. Which means what you think is irrelevant.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Shifa hospital is being raided by IDF special forces now. It's gonna be a hard fight.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[mindlessobserver]

Shifa hospital is being raided by IDF special forces now. It's gonna be a hard fight.

I was told the only thing in Shifa hospital was dying babies in incubators. What exactly are the Sayerat Matkal fighting? The nurses?

 

[Screamer_2]

Until we invent a magic bomb that kills bad guys only then civilians will always be killed in urban combat. Especially if they stayed after being given weeks to evacuate.

I have no sympathy for them at all. I don’t know understand why people are moralfagging on a website that doxes the parents of mildly annoying minor ecelebs for shits and giggles?

They are deliberately slaughtering people. You either support that or are falling for propaganda. There's no excuse. This is annexation of North Gaza. It is not just kill some Terrorists.

What? So Israel should just accept Oct 7th? Regarding the stripping terrorists naked thing, it's to make sure they aren't wearing suicide devices and is a security procedure.

They are an occupying force. Something I think people keep forgetting. The German's weren't legally justified at attacking the French resistance, because the French resistance's right trumped the German's. I totally get why Israel wants to smash Hamas. I ain't even against that. I am against the slaughter of civilians. Plus aware that Hamas being in power was supported by the current regime in Israel. Which is to justify their genociding of innocent people.

The problem is that half measures will just let the killing of civilians on both sides continue, the only way to stop it is to either fully capitulate, which neither side wants, or grind them into dust swiftly.
As a thought experiment, if Israel and simply ethnically cleansed the Palestinians in 1967 then they would have avoided half a century of conflict and death.
By being merciful you're paradoxically simply prolonging the conflict and creating more death.

I understand why it makes sense to genocide. It's just that you can never support genocide. It's a fucked unsolvable solution, but the answer can never be killing large numbers of people. I really don't get why people find that hard to understand.

The civilians of Gaza are not really covered in the way most people think. The Geneva Convention prohibits the DELIBERATE targeting of civilians. If you are targeting a Hamas weapons facility that just so happens to be under an apartment building with 100 civilians in it, we'll, sucks for them, but they should not have lived on top of an Arms cache. The target was of a military nature. The 100 dead civilians are collateral damage, which is permitted.

That's not how fucking Humanitarian law works. Also the scale of destruction is far beyond what anyone could reasonably assume is Hamas weapons facilities. They are just using it as an excuse to flatten the place so there is nothing for people to come back to when they annex it.

regime in Israel. Which is to justify their genociding of innocent people.

You're a fucking retard or you're arguing in bad faith. You equate stripping enemy combatants with a war crime (on a technical level) and then equate war crimes with pure evil (simply using the emotional reaction the term evokes).

I literally provided reference to the Humanitarian law that says this is against what was decided you fuck nuckle.

You are missing an important piece of information here which is that Gaza doesn't have freedom of press. For some reason people keep forgetting that Gaza is run by a violent oppressive theocracy. There is no such thing as an independent journalist in Gaza, and all information gets run by Hamas before it reaches mainstream media. The genocide narrative has been heavily manufactured by a terrorist organization hellbent on Israel's destruction. By all means be critical of Israeli and Western press as well, but I suggest you take all Gaza death tolls with a massive handful of salt.

Most humans, with the exception of KiwiFarms user @aromatic, have enough empathy and decency to recognize that killing innocent people is wrong. But a lot of us also live in reality, and understand that civilian deaths are an unfortunate consequence of war. And it's something you knowingly sign up for when you decide to instigate a war with your heavily armed neighbor.

Have you ever read about what a lot of Israeli's get in their press? Orthodox who don't watch TV or read the news? Just get propaganda. Don't even know what is being done in their name to the Palestinians?

I can take the Gazan death toll with a grain of salt, I can also watch videos and look at footage. See photos from space. Know what is going on is not acceptable on any level. I actually don't think many Kiwi farmers are decent people after this thread. They have made it clear they lack empathy. It's probably the autism that congregates here where they lack basic empathy. Just see a rational side to, "well it makes sense for Israel to want the Gazans gone." Unable to connect that to the human misery the people in Gaza have lived under for a long time. Lack of the abstract thinking of where these actions will go in the future.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

I was told the only thing in Shifa hospital was dying babies in incubators. What exactly are the Sayerat Matkal fighting? The nurses?

Idk bc hamas is coping hard

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> A picture of the false victory and Al-Shifa Hospital
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> The occupation is frantically trying to portray Al-Shifa Hospital as the focus of its war on Gaza, and that the “fall of the hospital” means the fall of all of Gaza. The matter is not to take pictures and then return the Zionists to their homes, but rather it has two dangerous goals:
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> 1- Raising the morale of the Zionists and the Americans is that the occupation army has begun to achieve achievements in order to give Netanyahu and his army more time in Gaza.
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> 2- It pushed the Palestinian people and their supporters into despair and frustration and raised the white flag that “everything ended with the fall of the hospital.”
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> This game must be clear to us and not deceive us. The resistance never said that the hospital was important militarily or politically, but rather all it said was that it was merely a hospital providing obvious humanitarian services. Rather, the resistance called on international institutions to enter the hospital and verify it.
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> The hospital represents nothing in the balance of war and the developments of military events, so do not let them fool you and destroy your morale for nothing.

Too much fighting for something meaningless

They are an occupying force. Something I think people keep forgetting. The German's weren't legally justified at attacking the French resistance, because the French resistance's right trumped the German's. I totally get why Israel wants to smash Hamas. I ain't even against that. I am against the slaughter of civilians. Plus aware that Hamas being in power was supported by the current regime in Israel. Which is to justify their genociding of innocent people.

Israel left Gaza in 2005, they're not an occupying force since then. Hamas being in power was not supported by the Israeli govt, they won against fatah and took control of Gaza. The current and past Israeli governments thought that if they improved Gaza economically, Hamas would see reason which is why they were trying to funnel money to gaza. They didn't understand jihadis are singleminded and only care about jihad.

 

[mindlessobserver]

That's not how fucking Humanitarian law works. Also the scale of destruction is far beyond what anyone could reasonably assume is Hamas weapons facilities. They are just using it as an excuse to flatten the place so there is nothing for people to come back to when they annex it.

Humanitarian Law is not operative here. This is a declared war by a UN State, formally submitted. When the UN security council was tasked to order a halt to the conflict it voted against it. Meaning the war is accepted under the terms of thr Treaty of San Francisco.

The only law that is operative are the laws of war. humanitarian laws are formally suspended.

In other news, State Media in the USA has reported that the Shifa hospital is a command node of Hamas and significant numbers of senior leaders and weapons are underneath it.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics/white-house-hamas-al-shifa/index.html

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

In other news, State Media in the USA has reported that the Shifa hospital is a command node of Hamas and significant numbers of senior leaders and weapons are underneath it.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/14/politics/white-house-hamas-al-shifa/index.html

I don't doubt that place could've been used as an HQ but why would anybody important still be holed up there now? The whole world has known for days that it was a primary target.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I don't doubt that place could've been used as an HQ but why would anybody important still be holed up there now? The whole world has known for days that it was a primary target.

Where realistically can they go, and more importantly, where can they go and still maintain some modicum control over their troops. Hamas' political wing is in Dubai right now having whiskey tastings with the Oil Sheikhs and fucking foreign tik tok whores. The military wing are the guys in the strip, and if they turn and run from the fight the movement as a whole is pretty much fucked. The hospitals "were" the place to be in the previous conflicts. Centrally located to the fighting, but impervious to Israeli attack due to meme magic.

The meme magic has run out. Tel Aviv wants heads on spikes now. So it's put up or shut up time for hamas' ground commanders. They die martyrs, or live as kaffir.

 

[AltisticRight]

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Is this true? Reportedly the first guy daughter found him and posted more photos

That's horri-
Oh, anime avatar, never mind.

The concept of "War Crimes" is one of the dumbest fucking things that the "Western" Powers came up with and only serves to make pearl clutching retards sperg about them.

There's no clear definition either, war crimes should be something along the lines of intentionally targeting civilians and torturing prisoners to get information, the latter which we know always leads to false intel. That's it.
Nowadays, it's yet another buzzword (buzzterm?) to smear the opposition.
>I don't like X and they did Y, Y bad, so X did a war crime.

It's only a war crime if you satisfy the following categories:
- Loser
- Cannot provide CIA/Mi6 etc with glowing intel
- Cannot provide scientific service to the winners
Otherwise, it's fine. The CIA and Mi6 were full of ex-Nazis drip feeding them USSR bullshit. Many Japanese "scientists" are still around. There's a reason "war crimes" isn't taken seriously in regions outside of the West because barely any war criminals were prosecuted after WWII in Asia.

>But it's because chinks and gooks aren't kikes only the 6 million matters
I mean, yeah. If only China and Korea got the balls to form a powerful entity (like the Jews did when they hunted Nazis) with no regards for local laws to kidnap war criminals from Japan, I guess?
After WWII, that entire region was filled with civil wars. Bringing Lolishotamoto Fappushinakilla to justice was the least of their worries.

i'll gave you the rape of nanking and unit 731 were pretty bad, but the so-called holocaust "extermination camps" have the fucking credibility of the 40 decapitated babies.

The initial line was "40 dead babies at least", then this morphed into "some decapitated".

This was the reporter.
https://twitter.com/Nicole_Zedek

Then, it became "unverified reports of ...". Why unverified, see below.
Not 40 decapacitated babies. That was never the claim.
So precisely, it should be "40 dead babies at least, some decapitated, according to IDF troops."
Also, charred corpses are brittle, the "decapitation" might not be intentional, though forensics can prove this one way or another definitively. A clean cleaver slice is different to disjointed charred bones.

The officials issued a statement right after:
Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack

https://archive.ph/S0ZA3

This was amplified by a moron suffering from dementia, words are hard you see.

“I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children” -- Joe Biden

Which was later retracted as well.

So the entire babies bullshit was due to people not thinking before they open their mouths. Average day for journalists.

Statistically, there'll be more than 40 dead babies on Israel's side and far far more on Palestine's, which sucks.
These faggots will film the execution dogs and gloat about it. No one should doubt their capabilities in killing kids.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Otherwise, it's fine. The CIA and Mi6 were full of ex-Nazis drip feeding them USSR bullshit. Many Japanese "scientists" are still around. There's a reason "war crimes" isn't taken seriously in regions outside of the West because barely any war criminals were prosecuted after WWII in Asia

Need to push back here for a second, because it's not entirely true. War Crimes are taken seriously, and have been for the last 400 years.

War "Crimes"(tm) are not.

There is actually a difference. The Geneva Convention did not emerge from on high as some divine revelation. It was simply an effort to codify in treaty form what has already been accepted as the difference between "honorable" combat and barbarism.

For example when your army takes a town. You ate allowed to set your men loose to take what provisions are necessary for your campaign. You can't however allow them to drag all the locals girls into the streets and rape them. This was considered par for the course long before there was a Geneva Convention as a broad example.

Even in Asian societies and Islamic, there is the concept of surrender as a protected option and the sanctity of sacred places. it's hardly a strictly western phenomenon.

The issue the modern west has run into is that these rules, including the Geneva Convention, are not absolute structures and they are no barriers to the brutality of war. They are simply guard rails from turning the mess into an inhumane slaughter.

They are also rules based on reciprocity, and the understanding that a surrender actually means just that, and a sacred place is not used as a base for violent attack. History is also full of cities who reneged on their "surrender" only to be utterly destroyed for their treason down to the last man, woman and wailing infant.