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[Yamamura]

Hey guys, this isn't totally urbanist related, but I decided to share this old video because it gives me nostalgia. The video is 12 years old, but it brings me back to a simpler time when the Obama era lefties weren't totally for abolishing cars yet, but are still the finger wagging group we know them as today. Makes me wonder if the woman in this video has traded in her Prius and become a fuckcars member yet.

Prius lady randomly starts harassing truck owner and his family

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[quaawaa]

So the Economist published an article that has made urbanists extremely mad:

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An urbanist was so mad he wrote an entire blog post about the article (which Jason retweeted):

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One of them was so mad they wrote a letter to the editor asking why they published a "carbrained" editorial:

Cars are why they're fat and lonely:

Spreading the myth that suburban homeowners don't pay the majority of taxes:

They are shocked to learn that Americans already live in 15 minute cities (by car):



By this defintion, there are no large 15 minute cities in Europe (I wonder why they didn't mention how long the average European commute is...):

These are the same people who tell you that printing money is a solution for every economic problem:

Schizo rant:

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I don't care how dense your city is, 1160 km² will always have way, way more things to do than 63 km²:



Communist says that they'll no longer read the economist (like they've ever read anything even tangentially related to economics):






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[Yamamura]

An urbanist was so mad he wrote an entire blog post about the article (which Jason retweeted):

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One of them was so mad they wrote a letter to the editor asking why they published a "carbrained" editorial:

Cars are why they're fat and lonely:

Spreading the myth that suburban homeowners don't pay the majority of taxes:

They are shocked to learn that Americans already live in 15 minute cities (by car):



By this defintion, there are no large 15 minute cities in Europe (I wonder why they didn't mention how long the average European commute is...):

These are the same people who tell you that printing money is a solution for every economic problem:

Schizo rant:

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I don't care how dense your city is, 1160 km² will always have way, way more things to do than 63 km²:

I don't have much to add on to this except it's a very good post by @quaawaa. You don't get to savor this sort of thing very often because this is an article from a major publication they're reacting to. It's like a very nice wine, you get to appreciate all the elements of what they're feeling as they angrily write it. You can tell this genuinely gets under their skin because it really upsets them on a level no youtube video could.

I'm like Patrick Bateman looking at a business card, "look at that seethe, that tasteful cope, oh my God he's even threatened to send a letter to the editor"

 

[Scotched up Scott]

Just to give y'all a visual reference, watch a pajeet get launched to escape velocity

ah so that's how they got to the moon. you gotta give some credit for the resourcefulness of these space pajeets. able to do what billion dollar companies do for about 250€ tops.

 

[maxell4hd]

To further back the Economist article, the UK statistics agency regularly conducts "Journey Time" surveys, which provides data about the number of key amenities and services that are accessible to the average person by journey time and mode of transport.

Even in urban England, there are very few amenities and services with 15 minutes walking distance and not much more with transit. The car is so much better that the average rural resident driving has access to more amenities and services.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/journey-time-statistics-england-2019

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/journey-time-statistics-data-tables-jts

 

[Markass the Worst]

Between the Economics Explained Youtube Channel and now The Economist, I have a feeling that if you know anything about economics you'll quickly realize urbanism is bullshit.

Then again I don't think you need a degree in economics to know that demand can't just be "induced" out of nowhere.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Why do they think that a car is a 10 000+ asset? New cars are expensive but most people own used cars and those are extremely affordable. Cars get sold and resold all the time. Maintaining and fixing them is commonly practiced commercially and DIY to keep running for long long time.

I live in an euro country that makes cars artificially stupid expensive and my car still costs less than 100 euros a month when I add all the running expenses together. I paid 3600 euros for my current car when I bought it and then did some minor upgrades for fun and comfort so even the biggest cost didn't do that much financial damage while allowing me to get my current job.

 

[Markass the Worst]

Cars get sold and resold all the time. Maintaining and fixing them is commonly practiced commercially and DIY to keep running for long long time.

Because these people are consoomers who can't fathom not getting the newest latest trendy thing.

 

[Susanna]

What I find most bizarre is how they present the ability to drive wherever you want within fifteen minutes as dystopian, while themselves elating the fifteen minute city idea. I’ve lived in the city and had all my daily amenities, as well as things like a hospital, within fifteen minutes walk, and I still preferred driving. The nearby grocer was garbage, the gym was filthy, the local library had a pathetic selection, and taking the metro to work meant standing in line to squeeze into a filled to capacity train where scum from three stations earlier going to the same office park made me feel unsafe. A car lets me choose where to buy foods (a farm market, most often), let me go to the nice gym/bathhouse instead, let me go to the university library instead, and let me sit in comfort and safety while I slowly got to work through the congestion. Not having the option to drive to better locations than what circumstances placed near you feels much more dystopian.

 

[WelperHelper99]

So the Economist published an article that has made urbanists extremely mad:

Commenting on the whole thing, the first article was rather benign, just saying that the car is here to stay. Jason gets mad, a VERY emotional and nonsensical counter article is written, of course they have to slip in trucks killing people, and fuckcars melts down. Journo on journo violence tastes so sweet. Good job @quaawaa

Because these people are consoomers who can't fathom not getting the newest latest trendy thing.

It's insane to think that the average Urbanist probably doesn't know what a window crank is since they're so used to buttons and screens. That's what my 03 Malibu has (pic related). Using the McDonald's drive thru is a bit of a bitch, but you get used to it. Also the car doesn't track my calls because its old, which you know the urbanists lobbied for.

 

[Blamo2000]

It's insane to think that the average Urbanist probably doesn't know what a window crank is since they're so used to buttons and screens. That's what my 03 Malibu has (pic related). Using the McDonald's drive thru is a bit of a bitch, but you get used to it. Also the car doesn't track my calls because its old, which you know the urbanists lobbied for.
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Keeping old cars going is unironically the green thing to do.

 

[quaawaa]

A road diet killed seven people who were unable to escape from a wildfire in time due to there being insufficient road capacity.
/r/fuckcars' take:

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[WelperHelper99]

Keeping old cars going is unironically the green thing to do.

The urbanist never thinks about carbon emitted in manufacturing, much less about lithium batteries for electric cars

A road diet killed seven people who were unable to escape from a wildfire in time due to there being insufficient road capacity.
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Bitch if you don't have a car and a fire is coming towards you, you'll die. A bus is getting there way too late, and you can't cycle fast enough.

 

[Blamo2000]

The urbanist never thinks about carbon emitted in manufacturing, much less about lithium batteries for electric cars

It's similar how they worship windmills and solar panels. Just ignore the externalities on those and without the larger picture, they sure are doing no emissions.

I can't even get upset with these folks, they just watched two youtube videos and decided that they are experts on infrastructure. Also they are just shitty urbanites who never needed to actually transport things. Perfect fodder for living in the pod and owning nothing. It's their ideal after all.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

It's similar how they worship windmills and solar panels. Just ignore the externalities on those and without the larger picture, they sure are doing no emissions.

I can't even get upset with these folks, they just watched two youtube videos and decided that they are experts on infrastructure. Also they are just shitty urbanites who never needed to actually transport things. Perfect fodder for living in the pod and owning nothing. It's their ideal after all.

I cringe at those types of urbanites. Especially the ones who worship turbines and solar panels. If they want to achieve “Green” energy, having complete dependency on wind turbines and solar is not ideal. They’re always missing the third secret sauce. Nuclear.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It's similar how they worship windmills and solar panels. Just ignore the externalities on those and without the larger picture, they sure are doing no emissions.

I can't even get upset with these folks, they just watched two youtube videos and decided that they are experts on infrastructure. Also they are just shitty urbanites who never needed to actually transport things. Perfect fodder for living in the pod and owning nothing. It's their ideal after all.

The normies it's easy not to get angry at. The fuck cars people and Jason that want my means of getting to work, that want to move me to a pod, and take any option for a gas stove? Fuck them. The ideas they've spread have actually gotten into politics at this point.

Also sometimes they do try to transport shit, and it's hilarious the lengths they go to to transport a door.

 

[Briananderson1138]

I don’t understand this business about cars being “inequitable“, given that most poor minorities in America still own cars. Is this condition of the poor not driving just peculiar to cities like New York, so that these urbanists living there assume it applies to everywhere else? Or is it a case of deliberately conflating proles with lumpenproles?

 

[Blamo2000]

I cringe at those types of urbanites. Especially the ones who worship turbines and solar panels. If they want to achieve “Green” energy, having complete dependency on wind turbines and solar is not ideal. They’re always missing the third secret sauce. Nuclear.

They simply hate Nuclear power. It's le bad.

The normies it's easy not to get angry at. The fuck cars people and Jason that want my means of getting to work, that want to move me to a pod, and take any option for a gas stove? Fuck them. The ideas they've spread have actually gotten into politics at this point.

Also sometimes they do try to transport shit, and it's hilarious the lengths they go to to transport a door.

The worst part is that they think their ideas are so bold and unique when they are clearly just doing the bidding of the establishment.

Maybe that is why they get promoted so hard on YouTube, huh.

I don’t understand this business about cars being “inequitable“, given that most poor minorities in America still own cars. Is this condition of the poor not driving just peculiar to cities like New York, so that these urbanists living there assume it applies to everywhere else? Or is it a case of deliberately conflating proles with lumpenproles?

Nah, it's just the usual one size covers all justification for everything they do. You can't have anything nice because it's inequitable. I miss equality, that was much nicer.

 

[quaawaa]

I cringe at those types of urbanites. Especially the ones who worship turbines and solar panels. If they want to achieve “Green” energy, having complete dependency on wind turbines and solar is not ideal. They’re always missing the third secret sauce. Nuclear.

They typically dismiss it by saying that it’ll take too long to build to Save the Planet™, while simultaneously saying that battery backups will be viable any day now just as soon as they come out with a magic battery. They’ll also say that renewables are so cheap that it’s pointless to build anything else, ignoring the fact that renewable power needs a backup source to ensure reliability, which makes it more expensive than just using the “backup” source all the time (the cost of a wind or solar farm buys a lot of fuel).

I don’t understand this business about cars being “inequitable“, given that most poor minorities in America still own cars. Is this condition of the poor not driving just peculiar to cities like New York, so that these urbanists living there assume it applies to everywhere else? Or is it a case of deliberately conflating proles with lumpenproles?

You really think a basement dwelling /r/fuckcars user has ever met an actual poor person and not just homeless schizos and “poor” students who live off of their middle-class parents’ money?

 

[WelperHelper99]

worst part is that they think their ideas are so bold and unique when they are clearly just doing the bidding of the establishment.

Maybe that is why they get promoted so hard on YouTube, huh.

Useful idiots is what they are. So caught up in stupid things like the cars OTHER people drive, most of them don't see themselves being used. And they'll go to Starbucks everyday, get a paper straw with their latte that comes in a plastic wrapper, throw it in the trash, then bitch about Co2 when plants breathe that shit. Insanity