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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 384 26.0%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 53 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,038 70.4%

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    1,475
I've actually heard The 10th Kingdom is pretty gud. Based on your comment, I assume it ain't true?
It's low budget and the plotline is a little silly. There a wolf hunter tracking the protagonist who doesn't know if he wants to eat her or fuck her and relies on self help books he randomly picked up.

Also Snow White looks young but randomly coughs up cobwebs.
 
it's hilarious to me that they were patting themselves on the back for Wish having an irredeemable traditional villain only for them to fuck up the writing enough to make this the ONE time where a non-traditional and/or redeemed villain would work the best.
Agreed. Honestly even a twist villain would have worked great. Have Aisha be sure that the king is the villain only for one her friends turn up to be the villain after they "defeat" the king and let the wishes free. The king was right about some wishes being bad because now the friend is having a magical revenge on Aisha because she interpreted normal disagreements as bullying.
 
Mickey trio, yen sid and Maleficent.
You left out poor Pete.
(Nomura loves Hades though, God bless him)
While I do think he likes Hades that character also provides a handy storytelling tool of accessing any character that should be dead. One playing of "Hi, Hades. Lord of the Underworld" and that little barrier is ignored for the rest of the game.
Not that death seems much of a barrier in general in those games anymore but still.
The writers legit don't even remember these legacy characters to give them proper origin stories.
They remember these characters were written by old white men and therefore are problematic and can be rewritten freely.
 
it's hilarious to me that they were patting themselves on the back for Wish having an irredeemable traditional villain only for them to fuck up the writing enough to make this the ONE time where a non-traditional and/or redeemed villain would work the best.
We go back to how they all think it's about ME so having daddy tell them NO is the biggest sin possible which is what this all ends up being.

Also, I remember the book leaks showing that the movie's morals were absolutely corrupt to deranged levels, but it didn't go into the whole "And that's how the Disney universe was booooorn!". What an absolute shit show.
 
Reading that plot synopsis, I can't help but think of Into the Woods (the play, not the awful film adaptation Disney made a few years back) and how it seems to be a pretty similar premise, but far more engaging. Every character has a wish, but they actually have to work towards their wish being fulfilled and in the second act they realized what they wanted wasn't what they want and have to deal with the very real consequences of their actions. Every character found in classic fairytales are there to and it feels natural to include them.

So what I'm saying is watch thr American Playhouse version of Into the Woods instead of the new Wish movie. Youtube has it up for free
 
Holy fuck, reading that plot synopsis for Wish just makes me thank the powers that be for letting Kingdom Hearts have some fucking decency with keeping its shared universe in-line.
I will unironically start going postal if they inject current year into Kingdom Hearts.
Thankfully Disney’s kind of strung up by the balls when it comes to KH, they can’t anything with the IP (for the most part, they can still use it for minor shit like merchandising and park meet-and-greets involving Disney’s own characters) without consulting Square Enix a
I don't think they'll touch much of marvel. Could be wrong but I think at most it'll be a secret boss.
IIRC one of the bigger issues involving Marvel, Star War, and any IPs purchased during the Fox buyout is licensing. I do recall Nomura saying in an interview that, at the time said interview was conducted, the game licenses for those IPs were held by different companies at the time.
 
(Nomura loves Hades though, God bless him)
James Woods loves voicing Hades. It is a favorite role and he will do it for minimal pay, likely playing into why he is brought back so much.
IIRC one of the bigger issues involving Marvel, Star War, and any IPs purchased during the Fox buyout is licensing. I do recall Nomura saying in an interview that, at the time said interview was conducted, the game licenses for those IPs were held by different companies at the time.
Square has developed two games with the Marvel IP since KH3. I would assume that Marvel is not under lockdown quite as strongly anymore and that materials can be transported between games for easier development. Star Wars is more up in the air, but it also seems to be the one more likely and with the most hints. I would be surprised if they didn’t work their way in.
 
James Woods loves voicing Hades. It is a favorite role and he will do it for minimal pay, likely playing into why he is brought back so much.

Square has developed two games with the Marvel IP since KH3. I would assume that Marvel is not under lockdown quite as strongly anymore and that materials can be transported between games for easier development. Star Wars is more up in the air, but it also seems to be the one more likely and with the most hints. I would be surprised if they didn’t work their way in.
Regarding Star Wars, there's ForestFootGate.
 
it's hilarious to me that they were patting themselves on the back for Wish having an irredeemable traditional villain only for them to fuck up the writing enough to make this the ONE time where a non-traditional and/or redeemed villain would work the best.
It's really funny that Modern Disney is failing so hard with their villains in animated films (hell even not having them in stories that should have them) while other animated studios did well with villains that are very memorable and would still be talked about years later.
 
James Woods loves voicing Hades. It is a favorite role and he will do it for minimal pay, likely playing into why he is brought back so much.
I swear I remember hearing that James Woods loves Hades so much he basically had a contractual agreement with Disney that they have to check in with him for availability if they're using the character. It'd explain why they didn't replace him with a cheap alternative after he became a super unwholesome problematic Republican.
 
James Woods loves voicing Hades. It is a favorite role and he will do it for minimal pay, likely playing into why he is brought back so much.

Square has developed two games with the Marvel IP since KH3. I would assume that Marvel is not under lockdown quite as strongly anymore and that materials can be transported between games for easier development. Star Wars is more up in the air, but it also seems to be the one more likely and with the most hints. I would be surprised if they didn’t work their way in.
Star wars was an issue because Disney in their infinite wisdom gave exclusive rights to EA. That's why there's barely been any games made. Thankfully that expired in 2023 but wow...


I swear I remember hearing that James Woods loves Hades so much he basically had a contractual agreement with Disney that they have to check in with him for availability if they're using the character. It'd explain why they didn't replace him with a cheap alternative after he became a super unwholesome problematic Republican.
That's awesome. He really is one of, if not the best villains in Disney history. An absolute joy in every kh game to boot

It really is beautiful how both Nomura and woods enjoy the crap out of the character. Honestly hard to pick out a favorite moment but the final fight of 2 really was amazing. Shame you couldn't fight him in 3
 
I know the reasoning for it, but it's so funny that Donald and Goofy literally go to hell to check if Sora's there. Imagine dying and your friends just assume you went to the bad place.
I love/hate being That Guy, but in Greek mythology, everyone goes to the Underworld. There are merely different sections to it depending on how good or bad of a person you were.
 
Huh, they did? I guess I forgot they mentioned Underworld wasn't literally just Hell, my bad.
It's from a mobile game, you'll be forgiven for not having played it. It's not so much mentioned as it is kind of implied if you know the general lore of how all the KH worlds were one giant world at the beginning. That would mean everyone from everywhere would have to go through Hades at some point.
 
I have watched a camrip of Wish and wow, it is genuinely insane how badly they fucked up the villain. I spent the entire movie feeling bad for the guy rather than rooting for his downfall.

For the first half of the movie, he's literally just a good, reasonable man who saw everything he loved violently destroyed when he was young, was clearly traumatized by it, and has since devoted his life to ensuring that nothing like that happens to the people he's taken under his wing. He bonds with Asha over their mutual desire to protect the kingdom and the hopes and dreams of the people (which is implied to be a rare thing for him) and afterwards asks her to become his apprentice. When she immediately turns around and tries to abuse nepotism by asking him to grant her grandpa's wish, he legit looks as though she just punched him in the gut and tells her that usually people wait a few months before asking things of him. And despite her clearly breaking his heart, he still immediately agrees to look at peepaw's wish with a smile on his face!

Asha later summons the star and its power shoots through the kingdom and fucks with the people and the wishes which freaks him out because he thinks that something's threatening the safety of his kingdom, which (as previously stated) is the thing he's devoted his entire life to preventing. He tries asking the citizenry for information on the weird magic, but Asha's Seven Diverse Individuals friend group is in the crowd acting as agitators. His people just start asking about wishes and then yelling at him to grant more wishes. He gets angry and desperate since the people are being selfish twats during a national security threat and he still can't figure out what the (believed) threat to his people is, so he turns to a dark magic book in his library for answers and it possesses him. He then acts as an evil crazy dick for the rest of the movie.

The evil cursed book claims that anyone who uses its evil magic is tooootally forever lost and enslaved to it, don't bother to try saving them, they're a lost cause (because an evil at least semisentient cursed book would never lie, no sir!) His wife reads that, and despite him being nothing but a loving and affectionate husband before getting possessed, fucking immediately believes the devil book and goes "shit guess we better kill the guy then"

Yada, yada, yada, there's a big battle at the end, and the king ends up getting sealed eternally in his staff which feels like an absolutely horrific fate for a good man who only got fucking possessed after he desperately tried to protect his people. After he's defeated, his wife just makes a smug comment about locking the staff in a dank dungeon before assuming the crown herself and everyone's just like YAYYY YASSS KWEEN!!!! I was left staring at my computer screen absolutely stunned at how genuinely fucking vile it all was.

TL;DR, the king is a tragic hero who gets doomed by his love for his people and the main characters are villain protagonists that we're expected to root for and view as yass kween good guys.
 
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