Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

sneedpest said:
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Wow, that really kicked the hornets' nest. Nafo is in full meltdown in the replies. Quick compilation:
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VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
Ass status: blasted

:story: The guy kvetching about how this will empower Russia to invade more countries - like who? Bumfuck ass Latvia, the ever yapping Chihuahua of a nation that thinks it's constantly in danger of imminent Soviet tank invasion? Georgia? Who else is there to invade? Armenia?
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There is always Voronezh.

The British Embassy in Moscow was forced Thursday to clarify a series of remarks made by Foreign Minister Liz Truss during a tense meeting with her Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov.

In the closed-door meeting, Lavrov had asked Truss whether the U.K. accepted that two Russian regions — Voronezh and Rostov — belonged to Russia and that Russia had the right to move troops and equipment to the areas.

According to Russia’s Kommersant business daily, Truss replied that “the U.K. will never recognize Russian sovereignty over these regions.”

Commentators said the British politician likely thought Lavrov was referring to Donetsk and Luhansk — the two breakaway regions of eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatists. Truss was quickly corrected by the British Ambassador in the meeting.
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Corn Syrup Connoisseur said:
I prefer the options presented by old Britbong scare articles:
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(-Finland now though)
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Well now we know why Gunther Fehlinger is so gungho about his native Austria joining NATO - they're staring right down the barrel of a Russian invasion!

Irish-Austrian Non-NATO defensive alliance when?

Useful_Mistake said:
How would Russia even get to Sweden, Austria, or Ireland?
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In the case of Ireland - in a submarine (duh)

For Austria it would be a little harder. Maybe there's some sort of submarine that can swim underground?
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
How would Russia even get to Sweden, Austria, or Ireland?
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The western media has been spreading a narrative that Austria has been compromised and is full of traitors who are allied to Russia. The general idea is that Austria can only be safe if a new, strong state security service controlled by the Austrian left is created and if Austria either joins or attaches itself to NATO.

The usual idea is that the Freedom Party (FPO) are pro-Russian traitors planning to destroy democracy in Austria and to ally the country openly with Russia. Business people, politicians and various others are usually also labeled as part of the treason plot. The OVP party are also considered traitors for having invited the Freedom Party into their government in 2017.

There was a 2022 story in the washington post which is illustrative of the logic.

In the case of Sweden, the logic is that Sweden cannot defend itself unless it joins NATO. One of the theories sometimes presented is that the Russians are going to start taking Swedish island in the baltic like Gotland or sparsely occupied territory in the arctic.

The US narrative on Ireland is that it lacks the ability to defend itself or exercise soverignty over its own territory. The idea is that Russians could simply land a small number of troops in ireland by sea or air and take over. The only "solution" is for Ireland to join NATO and vastly increase its military spending.

US article in the journal foreign policy about how Ireland's weakness threatens Europe.

In any country the narrative is somewhat similar:

1) Rightest or populist parties in any country are Russian puppets and traitors
2) Every country in Europe needs a strong NATO-aligned security service to protect "democracy".
3) Any European country that isn't a member of NATO could be conquered by Russia tomorrow.
4) Military spending needs to be vastly increased in every European country.
 
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As much as I don't like Russian early child indoctrination policy I can see a reason behind why it exists.
Russia lost at least two whole generations to Western propaganda that fried people's brains to the point they are willing to drink urine straight from the source as long as it's american. Just go to the Russian side of the twitter and you find abundance of statements that will make even Novodvorskaya blush. And they are impossible to be talked back to sence because they are perfectly fine with any logical contradiction or blatant most obvious hipocrisy because they cannot comprehend any thought beyond pre-programmed "West good, Russia bad". It's an infinitely deep bucket of crabs created by post-modernism.

Problem is, Russian government doesn't know how to work with young minds in subttle way. Patriotism and traditionalism are enforced but their actual importance is not coveyed properly. You must be a patriot just because you must, and that's it! You must make a heterosexual family just because you must, and that's it. Sadly, no one is gonna buy it.
 
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Strix454 said:
It is nationalistic, but it is also an expression of unquestioning absolute loyalty to government in power. Whatever that government might be.
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It was also voluntary. I'm old enough to remember having the pledge followed by a prayer in a public elementary school. You could sit it out but that also meant you were getting beat up by somebody you weirdo.
 
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Varretnon847 said:
But why do they think that Russia would be interested in invading any of these countries?
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Gotland (Swedish island) has some strategic value.
Other than that, none of these are in any way at risk. Finland and Sweden would be too expensive to occupy for the worthless natural resources they have to offer (wood and iron, both things Russia already has in abundance), Austria is a landlocked dump far behind NATO lines, and Cyprus/Malta/Ireland is some sort of fever dream.
 
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Varretnon847 said:
But why do they think that Russia would be interested in invading any of these countries?
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The American neoconservatives hold that "liberal democracy" and what they call "authoritarianism" cannot co-exist. They are said to be two systems that must constantly expand in the world at the expense of the other. Under this theory, Russia attacked Ukraine because Russia understood that it could never continue to exist bordering a country with "freedom" and "liberal democracy" like Ukraine. Therefore as Ukraine became "free", Russia would be compelled to attack and destroy it. Likewise, "authoritarian" Russia bordering any "freedom" country would (according to the theory) inevitably lead to war.

These ideas go back at least to the early 2000s and the US/Iraq War. One good expression of these ideas was Natan Sharansky's "The Case For Democracy: The Power Of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny And Terror".

It is important to note that they specifically use the term "liberal democracy" rather than "democracy" because contained within that term is a whole set of assumptions about what ideas and what forms of politics are to be considered acceptable within the west.

In some sense, these ideas are nothing more than the Neoconservatives attempting to preserve the cold war geopolitical framework in the absence of the cold war. But in spite of that, they have been very successful in pushing these ideas within the west.
 
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Sir Joahim Browinson III said:
As much as I don't like Russian early child indoctrination policy I can see a reason behind why it exists.
Russia lost at least two whole generations to Western propaganda that fried people's brains to the point they are willing to drink urine straight from the source as long as it's american. Just go to the Russian side of the twitter and you find abundance of statements that will make even Novodvorskaya blush. And they are impossible to be talked back to sence because they are perfectly fine with any logical contradiction or blatant most obvious hipocrisy because they cannot comprehend any thought beyond pre-programmed "West good, Russia bad". It's an infinitely deep bucket of crabs created by post-modernism.

Problem is, Russian government doesn't know how to work with young minds in subttle way. Patriotism and traditionalism are enforced but their actual importance is not coveyed properly. You must be a patriot just because you must, and that's it! You must make a heterosexual family just because you must, and that's it. Sadly, no one is gonna buy it.
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We've seen the power of mindless repetition work its magic with the coof. Just play endless clips of rioting niggers and demons reading stories to toddlers and the message will sink in eventually. It's not even propaganda, you're simply informing the population that this is what the West wants for you and your children.
 
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How utterly debased. A young, attractive woman who could've just gotten a job but instead chose to be a cumrag for the kike controlled porn industry talking shit about her countrymen for refusing to die for Israel. Truly the jew and its endless machinations twist and turn to shame the Gordian knot.
 
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snov said:
Gotland (Swedish island) has some strategic value.
Other than that, none of these are in any way at risk. Finland and Sweden would be too expensive to occupy for the worthless natural resources they have to offer (wood and iron, both things Russia already has in abundance), Austria is a landlocked dump far behind NATO lines, and Cyprus/Malta/Ireland is some sort of fever dream.
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I really don't understand why Russia said those things they did to Finland that got them to get up and join NATO in the first place. Every Finn understands that Russia is not to be pissed off. That's been the case since the Continuation War. And I'd like to think that Russia has an understanding since that war that Finland is more trouble than its worth occupied and so is a useful friend or business client, even if the relationship is not fully trusting.

But that map is a joke. Sweden is its own greatest danger. Ireland's only value is bombing the British. Austria's only resource is convincing people Hitler was German.

Strix454 said:
The US narrative on Ireland is that it lacks the ability to defend itself or exercise soverignty over its own territory.
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I mean, that's true. Just look at Northern Ireland. Pretty big failure if you ask me.

Also, recently I was chatting with a Russian colleague of mine, and I told him: "You wanna see the future? Think Metal Gear Solid if it was written by Aleksander Dugin." Now, I said that as a joke initially, but a lingering part of me wonders if I'll be right.


EDIT: All this pantomiming in the West about "democracy, oh our dear democracy!" is fucking GAY. The right of a social policy or politics, such as democracy, to exist must depend solely on how it makes society better. If it doesn't, it must be done away with. Now when that is the case is very subjective. But lose sight of the tangibles, and believe that democracy must exist because it is righteous in some intrinsic sense, and you've created a religion, a cult around holding it up. Same thing goes for "sexism" or "racism". These impulses were governed to make a better world, inhibited only so far as they indeed did so. But the West has forgotten that. Now there's an infestation of poofery.
 
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