Debate Otoya and his detractors on whether all knowledge we have comes from God.

[Tablet County]

theres no such thing as schizophrenia

If Null weren't an autist about reaction images this sentence would be unnecessary.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

the book of ruth is yet ANOTHER warning from god, to people, about racial purity, which is a lesson god teaches all throughout the OT (the flood, conquests of king david, etc). in a broad general sense, god cares chiefly about the purity of human DNA

The same Book of Ruth where the titular Ruth was a Moabite yet was allowed to marry an ancestor of King David and Jesus? Yeah no.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

The same Book of Ruth where the titular Ruth was a Moabite yet was allowed to marry an ancestor of King David and Jesus? Yeah no.

yeah yeah. thats what happened

i dont think the moabites were fucking any demons or animals, so god would have no issue with ruth being in the bloodline

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

yeah yeah. thats what happened

i dont think the moabites were fucking any demons or animals, so god would have no issue with ruth being in the bloodline

The Bible says the Moabites are descended from the offspring of Lot and his daughter (Genesis 19:37). They worshipped a god named Chemosh who they sacrificed children to (2 Kings 3:27). Zephaniah 2:9 compares Moab to Sodom. Archaeology reveals even worse things about Moab, like how they boasted of capturing an Israelite town and sacrificing the entirety of their people to Chemosh.

Nice people, right?

 

[skykiii]

why would that be included?

Okay, I risk restarting the autistic slapfight, but dude is asking a legit question about a point I decided to bring up, so it feels fair to answer...

Amakusa Shiro Tokisaida is a very interesting figure, and my personal theory is that he actually was a reincarnation of Jesus.

People always talk about "the second coming of Christ" but IMO he's actually reincarnated several times throughout history. Amakusa is one of the more obvious (and documented) parallels... and also shows us just how a coming of Christ might fly under the radar: he appeared in a country where Christianity was basically unknown (and was treated as an enemy), and where the rest of the world didn't learn about it until centuries later... and then mostly through weeb media, and there isn't much overlap between weebs and christianity, so....

Nowadays, Jesus could walk among us but we would never suspect it because we're too "rational..." plus we kinda always think his second coming will be like, the end of the world or something.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

The Bible says the Moabites are descended from the offspring of Lot and his daughter (Genesis 19:37).

but still human. Not animals or demons. The genome wasnt as degraded then, inbreeding wasnt so much and issue

They worshipped a god named Chemosh who they sacrificed children to (2 Kings 3:27). Zephaniah 2:9 compares Moab to Sodom.

Yes, and?

Archaeology reveals even worse things about Moab, like how they boasted of capturing an Israelite town and sacrificing the entirety of their people to Chemosh.

Nice people, right?

There are no nice people in the bible. There are no nice people on earth ever, only God is good. I'm not sure what your purpose was about pointing out how fucked up the moabites were, was this supposed to be some kind of "gotcha" revelation? Lol

you are sinless to judge? Lololol

People always talk about "the second coming of Christ" but IMO he's actually reincarnated several times throughout history.

nope. No such thing as reincarnation. The bible is pretty clear on this

You jap false god couldnt br christ. Christ isnt returning in flesh and blood, and your jap wasn't related to Judah

Nowadays, Jesus could walk among us but we would never suspect it because we're too "rational..." plus we kinda always think his second coming will be like, the end of the world or something.

no it will come after the end of the world

So you don't even consider yourself "nice?"

Nope. I've lied. I've stolen stuff, I've given into lust, I've lived with women without being married, i chase money more than i should, ive worshipped demons, done witchcraft shit, i fought with my father, etc etc

aside from murder, i've broken pretty much every commandment and law of god
“No one is good—except God alone.

 

[Tablet County]

No one is good—except God alone.

That's a great excuse to be a giant faggot.

 

[skykiii]

That's a great excuse to be a giant faggot.

Honestly at the risk of sounding mean, I've started to suspect that Otoya is just larping as a crazy person.

Looking at posts on his profile apparently someone else bought his act. I myself have been burned by too many people who turned out to only be faking issues so now its my default expectation.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

That's a great excuse to be a giant faggot.

???? How do you mean?

LGBTQ means let God burn them quickly. Certainly no excuses or god sanctioned reason for being a sexual deviant of any stripe

From Sodom and gammorah to the flood to the conquests of king David, there is no faggotry that god is ok with

 

[skykiii]

Yes, the guy who learned about Christianity from the Portuguese and then launched a failed rebellion that accomplished nothing beside getting tens of thousands of Christians killed and the religion permabanned for over 200 years was Jesus. Ninja Resurrection was not a documentary. Jesus didn't come back with a sword just to get his ass kicked and his church destroyed.

Not to be too defensive of my autistic pet theory, but...

Looking into Amakusa, I can't help but notice parallels to the Jesus story. Even just reading Wikipedia: claims (though not proven) of being related to a person of importance, supposed miracles, and being very spiritual even from a young age (in a way that apparently stood out to people at the time).

And I mean... Biblical Jesus was a guy who was known to have enemies all around and who died tragically on a cross after being betrayed by everyone, most people wanting him dead just because they didn't like him saying they were all doing it wrong.

The biggest holes I find are that Amakusa's revolution was rather violent... then again Japan had just come out of the Feudal era, it was a naturally violent land at the time anyway.

In fact if I wanted to go full schizo theorizing I could even argue that perhaps this was a divine test, and it failed, thus leading to Japan being divinely punished with western occupation and, later on, having bombs dropped on them... one of those two was at Nagasaki, where Amakusa's head on a pike was displayed for a long time.

..... Incidentally, that you somehow knew I first heard of this guy because of an obscure unfinished OVA from the 1990s gives me more reason to think humanity does in fact have some level of psychic ability.

???? How do you mean?

How is it not obvious? Most people who take nihilistic stances like "good people don't exist" only take it because it means "therefore I don't have to try to be good and can be as much of a dick as I want!"

Since I'm bothering with you again anyway:

Nope. I've lied. I've stolen stuff, I've given into lust, I've lived with women without being married, i chase money more than i should, ive worshipped demons, done witchcraft shit, i fought with my father, etc etc

Okay, first, work on your phrasing.

Guess what, I've lived with women without being married too--they're called my mother and my older sister. Wow, I'm an asshole because of something I had literally no control over. Every newborn baby fresh out of the womb is an asshole now.

Secondly, a lot of that stuff isn't exactly bad just on its face. I mean hey, when I tell my mom I'm feeling fine so she won't stress over me, that's technically lying, but nobody would get on my case for it. And I don't know anything about your father--he could've been a huge asshole, in which case arguing with him is justified.

As for you "worshipped demons and done witchcraft shit"--you had an edgelord phase, so fucking what? Lots of kids watched Charmed and tried to imitate it, so what?

nope. No such thing as reincarnation. The bible is pretty clear on this

The Bible does not exactly deny the possibility, its more just never brought up at all... likely just because the authors had never thought of it and/or had never encountered a culture that taught it as a thing.

That's another funny thing that evidences the bible being a product more of Man than of God, really: at times you can tell the various authors are cribbing from general knowledge and accepted ideas of the time. Using the idea of the Nephilim to explain why other cultures have stories about great heroes for example. The thing that stood out most to me was the dozens of times in Genesis where they talk about someone grabbing their father's crotch to swear an Oath... which sounds positively paganistic to my ears, and reminds me very much of how pagan or primitive civilizations are often shown as basically worshipping penis. Clearly, the people of Genesis came from that era (and it was still a thing as of Noah's time).

Anyway..... even if the Bible denied reincarnation.... last I checked, there's nothing saying that the almighty, all-powerful being that created everything couldn't change its mind, and in fact does so at several points in the Bible's own text.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Most people who take nihilistic stances

I'm not a nihilist

Okay, first, work on your phrasing

Sorry, thought this was kiwifarms, not reddit. Just assumed you had some inference skills based on context and the topic at hand etc

Secondly, a lot of that stuff isn't exactly bad just on its face.

According to who? All of this things are sins in the eyes of god

As for you "worshipped demons and done witchcraft shit"--you had an edgelord phase, so fucking what?

No. Was just stupid and naive

The Bible does not exactly deny the possibility, its more just never brought up at all.

It does actually in a few places. Book of Hebrews, chapter 9 somewhere. Specifically says you die once and face judgment

at times you can tell the various authors are cribbing from general knowledge and accepted ideas of the time

Exactly. Because God doesn't lie. What he was telling Moses or Ezekiel of course will align with reality. The pagan cultures cribbed from god, not the other way around

couldn't change its mind, and in fact does so at several points in the Bible's own text.

Not even once did god change his mind

It was a fun ride, but be more convincing next time.

Oh dude give me a break. You're just making shit up now. If I "never read the bible" why would what I've posted be congruent with what it says? What I was making wild guesses that were accurate every time about a book I never read? Retard idea bro. I've quoted scripture in this very thread, the notion of me not reading the Bible is mental illness hallucination

Jeez all this paragraphs and paragraphs of bullshit and you bail with some cop out shit that doesn't even make sense?

What a fucking waste of time. Trolling me is one thing, I don't mind, it makes me laugh, but when you're just saying things easily disprovable or with no basis in anything, it's just not even entertaining and thus has 0 value

If you had at least trolled me on something accurate about me or my beliefs, etc. you would have at least provided me some chuckles. But you aren't even doing that lol

 

[Tablet County]

???? How do you mean?

LGBTQ means let God burn them quickly. Certainly no excuses or god sanctioned reason for being a sexual deviant of any stripe

From Sodom and gammorah to the flood to the conquests of king David, there is no faggotry that god is ok with

But only god is good, so that means I, as a sinful human incapable of goodness, am excused from any buggery that I commit.
In all seriousness, I meant "faggot" in the sense of being a cunt.

Honestly at the risk of sounding mean, I've started to suspect that Otoya is just larping as a crazy person.

I don't care if it's a ruse cruise. I bought the ticket, I'm gonna ride the ride.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

But only god is good, so that means I, as a sinful human incapable of goodness, am excused from any buggery that I commit.

I'm not sure how this line of thinking mske sense. You do something evil so it's OK to do something evil?

Goodness or evil doesn't lie in the sin, but rather how you deal with and reconcile that sin.

You being "incapable of goodness" is true. So what will you do about it? Wear the stain with pride and be punished, or work to wash the cosmic stink off you

If you fell in a vat of shit, would you not bathe?

 

[skykiii]

What a fucking waste of time. Trolling me is one thing, I don't mind, it makes me laugh, but when you're just saying things easily disprovable or with no basis in anything, it's just not even entertaining and thus has 0 value

I'm glad you understand.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

I'm glad you understand.

Do you ever accidentally piss on your tail with it between your legs like that?

If you have nothing to contribute, neither conviction nor entertainment, you're literally wasting your life. I pity your life

 

[Tablet County]

I'm not sure how this line of thinking mske sense. You do something evil so it's OK to do something evil?

Goodness or evil doesn't lie in the sin, but rather how you deal with and reconcile that sin.

You being "incapable of goodness" is true. So what will you do about it? Wear the stain with pride and be punished, or work to wash the cosmic stink off you

If you fell in a vat of shit, would you not bathe?

So let me get this straight.

People should be good.

But people are incapable of being good.

They should be good anyway even though they are incapable of being good.

If they commit bad deeds all that matters is how they reconcile with the bad deed.

But men are incapable of goodness so how are they meant to free themselves from sin when the only thing they are capable of doing is sin? How does one clean the shit off when all they have to bathe with is more shit? How does anybody get into heaven if they aren't physically capable of doing good things?
Are you following me on how this doesn't make any sense at all even following your logic?

 

[skykiii]

Do you ever accidentally piss on your tail with it between your legs like that?

I'm not a furry, I don't have a tail. Is having a tail normal where you come from?

If you have nothing to contribute, neither conviction nor entertainment, you're literally wasting your life. I pity your life

I have my conviction that you're fake, and you're the one providing entertainment. I just didn't want to step on your toes.

...........

But for people who need more convincing (not that I expect Otoya to ever admit it, fakers rarely do)...

The big tell was when you said "God has never changed his mind." BULL SHIT. Big examples to my mind: Genesis chapter 22 and Exodus 32 (particularly verses 9 to 14).

Also, this should have occured to me earlier, but your repeated attempts to shut down argument by just saying "that's God's canon" or "God said that" etc etc. One thing the Bible is clear on is you can't just coast on God like that, and if you had actually read the Bible (or at least the books of Judges and 1 Samuel), you'd understand that. Your battles are your own to fight--God will not fight them for you. Especially not petty internet squabbles that you willingly engaged in.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

People should be good.

they should follow the law

But people are incapable of being good.

Perfection is indeed impossible

They should be good anyway even though they are incapable of being good.

Yes

If they commit bad deeds all that matters is how they reconcile with the bad deed.

Yes

But men are incapable of goodness so how are they meant to free themselves from sin when the only thing they are capable of doing is sin?

Forgiveness of God

How does one clean the shit off when all they have to bathe with is more shit?

forgiveness of god.

How does anybody get into heaven if they aren't physically capable of doing good things?

Forgiveness of god.

Are you following me on how this doesn't make any sense at all even following your logic?

Of course it makes sense.

If you step in shit, take a shower. super simple. I'm not sure what is confusing about that

Sin is inevitable, because people are retarded and generally weak. When a baby inevitably and unavoidable passes there pants, do you let the baby live in its filth? No. You clean him up. I really don't know how to make it simpler.

I'm not a furry, I don't have a tail. Is having a tail normal where you come from?


I have my conviction that you're fake, and you're the one providing entertainment. I just didn't want to step on your toes.

...........
The big tell was when you said "God has never changed his mind." BULL SHIT. Big examples to my mind: Genesis chapter 22 and Exodus 32 (particularly verses 9 to 14).

neither of these are god changing his mind. It seems like you just had a dartboard with names of books and numbers.

Also, this should have occured to me earlier, but your repeated attempts to shut down argument by just saying "that's God's canon" or "God said that" etc etc.

I didn't try to shit down anything, you just didn't back up any of your assertions and you still haven't

One thing the Bible is clear on is you can't just coast on God like that,

oh? Where?

and if you had actually read the Bible (or at least the books of Judges and 1 Samuel), you'd understand that.

samuel specifically says you should go purely off of what god says and literally nothing else. Do you know who samuel wad and what he wrote? Nothing you do with what you said . Interestingly enough, the exodus sections your darts hit reinforce god as the ultimate authority and arbiter of all things. Now THATS a "coincidence" huh?

There is also nothing about the binding of isaac indicating any kind of change of mind or heart of god. Gods mind changed from what to what, exactly?

 

[Tablet County]

they should follow the law

If the law says I should fuck children should I fuck children in order to honor the law?

Of course it makes sense.

If you step in shit, take a shower. super simple. I'm not sure what is confusing about that

Sin is inevitable, because people are retarded and generally weak. When a baby inevitably and unavoidable passes there pants, do you let the baby live in its filth? No. You clean him up. I really don't know how to make it simpler.

So being good is contingent upon whether or not god says you're good or not, so action of any kind, good or evil is irrelevant because god has already determined whether or not you're getting into heaven.

neither of these are god changing his mind.

And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:

Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?

Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Liar.

On a separate note, perhaps this should be split into a debate user thread so more people can enjoy Otoya's nonexistent schizophrenia.

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

If the law says I should fuck children should I fuck children in order to honor the law?

The law would never say that. God teaches protection of children in a lot of places

So being good is contingent upon whether or not god says you're good or not,

Exactly. What arbiter would look to other than creator of the universe? Interesting, god has already answered your question like, 5000 years ago when Job asked him these same things

so action of any kind, good or evil is irrelevant because god has already determined whether or not you're getting into heaven.

No, god doesnt determine humans behavior. Your choices determine that. God can see all outcomes, because he exists outside ofntime. But your choices are your own. Again, this is such an odd question to pose, this question is answered in like the first 20 pages of the bible. Adam tried to blame eve for eating the forbidden fruit, didnt hold up, he still made the choice

Liar.

That isn't god his mind. The jews were punished for 1000s of years and have more coming

It's so weird question an ancient book, the answers to the criticism toward it have even addressed countless times to the point that it's almost common knowledge