2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

EyeGuy said:
Amit Segal's Telegram. Haven't seen it anywhere else but he's pretty reliable. I can only think of two or so pics/videos he's published about the war that turned out to be misinfo in the end.

The IDF has succeeded in clearing out the debris and breaking into that tunnel below Shifa, so we can expect more footage:
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It's time to let the dogs in.
 

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Victory Leo said:
Because they're backtracking on not negotiating anything but a complete surrender from Hamas.
I wasn't really a fan of a ceasefire in exchange for hostages but also giving them back Palestinian hostages ontop of that is just a terrible deal on our end.
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It’s true, they’re backtracking. But people are really desperate to get their children back. It’s been over a month of fighting but somehow the IDF was only able to recover one living soldier hostage and a few dead bodies. So I can see why hostage families are desperate to broker a deal right now. Also, it’s just a temporary ceasefire but I’m sure there will be loads of international pressure from countries trying to get Israel to give up the entire mission. Really doubt they’ll fold though.

I saw a report alleging that Hamas stated they will “search for” any other child hostages but “some of them are not in their hands.” I have no idea how accurate this is because I have only seen it from one source but if anyone else can substantiate, feel free to post a link. I also saw that part of the potential deal would include Red Cross visiting all the remaining hostages and providing them with medical care.

Bro can you imagine being stuck in a clammy terrorist tunnel and Red Cross comes and hands you a Tylenol and is like “okay see ya, you were not part of the deal so you have to stay here, see you next month maybe”

On another note what do y’all think the hostages are doing all day in between getting beaten? Gilad Shalit didn’t give us any helpful insight. Are they playing cards? Studying the Quran?
 
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More information about the hostage deal:
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Various reports of the deal have indicated that somewhere between 50 and 100 Israeli and foreign hostages would be released, in exchange for a five-day break in fighting and the release of somewhere between 150 and 300 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails. Reports over the past week have said that Israel was demanding the release of all the children held in Gaza and their mothers as a condition.

An Israeli government source told reporters Tuesday evening that the deal is expected to see the release of 50 living Israeli citizens, mostly women and children, in groups of 12-13 people per day. In exchange Israel will release Palestinian women and minors from prison and return them to where they used to live, mostly the West Bank and East Jerusalem, pause fighting for four days and allow the entry of more fuel to the Strip.

The source said that all Israeli security agencies — the IDF, Shin Bet and Mossad — are in favor of the emerging deal. The official said that Netanyahu has insisted on certain elements being part of the deal, including the potential for the ongoing release of hostages even after the 4-5 day pause, a commitment by Hamas to identify and locate hostages being held by other terror groups in the Strip, and the refusal to release Palestinian prisoners who have been convicted of murder.

The source said Israel believes Hamas could potentially locate some 30 more Israeli mothers and children beyond the initial 50, and that the halt in fighting could be extended by an extra day for each group of 10 more Israeli hostages located and freed.

The source made clear that Israel would pause its war against Hamas in Gaza as soon as the first group of hostages were released, and would resume the campaign, aimed at eliminating Hamas’s military and governance capacities in Gaza, as soon as the phased process of hostage releases was completed.
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The Palestinian prisoners in exchange seem to be insignificant, probably amount to criminal ruffians in the West Bank. There's still plenty of hostages in Gaza left to keep the fight going, and I suspect that given the evidence that a hostage was recently murdered at Al-Shifa Hospital, the IDF is probably glad to get hostages out through this deal rather than risk them getting murdered by panicked Hamas later as the walls close in.

It also looks like Al-Shifa Hospital will continue to be explored in the meantime. Returned hostages will also have intel of their own.
 
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Its also likely the IDF has blown its load over the past 2 months. That was some high intensity combat. You can't keep meat grinding the same units for weeks on end like you are the Russian Army with an infinite supply of conscripts and convict Battalions.

The IDF actually has the opposite problem of Russia and even the US. The bodies it goes to war with are all the bodies it will have for the war. when you are a country with the population size of New York City, you really aren't in the position to fight protracted conflicts. The guys in Gaza are gon a need a break anyway, so a 2 week ceasefire costs nothing since it was required anyway.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
The IDF actually has the opposite problem of Russia and even the US. The bodies it goes to war with are all the bodies it will have for the war. when you are a country with the population size of New York City, you really aren't in the position to fight protracted conflicts. The guys in Gaza are gon a need a break anyway, so a 2 week ceasefire costs nothing since it was required anyway.
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It's a 5 day ceasefire and IDF only needs about 30k soldiers in Gaza, they called up 350k so they have a lot of spares.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
It's a 5 day ceasefire and IDF only needs about 30k soldiers in Gaza, they called up 350k so they have a lot of spares.
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Which is essentially the entire load. 30k troops in gaza will require another 300k in support. Food, medicine, comes, transport, artillery support, support for all of THAT support etc etc etc.

Have 350K troops called up with 30k in active combat in Gaza is the entire army with no spares.
 
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Victory Leo said:
I wasn't really a fan of a ceasefire in exchange for hostages but also giving them back Palestinian hostages ontop of that is just a terrible deal on our end.
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Especially since those hostages will turn right back around and start attacking Israel (again). Nothing turns a neutral (or at least inactive enemy) into a militant more than holding them captive.

curson said:
Damage control after his rant against Jews?
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Probably makes it harder for anyone to (successfully) call him anti-semitic. Pretty tough to claim he hates teh j00s when he's openly handing over company revenue to support them.

Though they're probably a bit bristly at the thought that some of the money is getting embezzledfiltered through the Red Cross first before they can have it.
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
While corporate America censors Christmas on behalf of Jews. A Muslim coffee chain celebrate the holidays by pissing off Jews. This is pretty funny. Keeping my fingers crossed, leftists in American colleges start serving hot drinks inspired by Holo-Gosta.
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Mario Nawfal saying “I am NOT making this up!” instills a certainty within me that he is, in fact, making this up. He is a gigantic faggot grifter, that is all
 
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Battlefield2142EU said:
While corporate America censors Christmas on behalf of Jews. A Muslim coffee chain celebrate the holidays by pissing off Jews. This is pretty funny. Keeping my fingers crossed, leftists in American colleges start serving hot drinks inspired by Holo-Gosta.
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Honestly, I have my doubts about this catching on.


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Damage control after his rant against Jews?
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He’s playing both sides, so no matter what happens he comes out on top.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Its also likely the IDF has blown its load over the past 2 months. That was some high intensity combat. You can't keep meat grinding the same units for weeks on end like you are the Russian Army with an infinite supply of conscripts and convict Battalions.

The IDF actually has the opposite problem of Russia and even the US. The bodies it goes to war with are all the bodies it will have for the war. when you are a country with the population size of New York City, you really aren't in the position to fight protracted conflicts. The guys in Gaza are gon a need a break anyway, so a 2 week ceasefire costs nothing since it was required anyway.
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They have lost like 5 dozen troops for the entirety of the conflict after October 7, dude. We are not exactly talking about Operation Barbarossa here.
 
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