Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[877-CASH-now]

To go back to our regularly scheduled programming, the recent Oceania season of this thread makes me miss Paige so much.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

To give some idea: imagine if @Thomas Eugene Paris was a wildly over the top munchie with a sickstagram and instead of helpfully answering all our stupid questions, she's living in hospitals and making outrageous-sounding claims. You know she's full of shit because she's pulling these stunts and chimping about doctors gaslighting her. You can see that with your eyes. But then she convinces you she isn't with big science words, very detailed explanations of why what she's saying is true, and if you ask questions she links journal articles you can't even understand let alone argue against. It's a real head trip.

i luv u thomas no booly.

No, this is actually a very good point and I just want to make sure that you and everyone know that I'm not ever going to get upset if someone fact-checks me on something. We can all be wrong, and that means we can all learn something new.

I have actually been thinking recently about the quality of the publishing journals of some of the articles I share here. As I may have mentioned before, there's a major reproducibility crisis in science right now, and the absolute state of academic publishing is partly to blame. I know I've been guilty of sharing poor-quality articles when I needed a quick source for something I said here, and I'll try to stop that.

Finally, I believe that no one truly understands something unless he or she is able to explain it in clear, simple terms to someone else. I try not to sperg so hard that it's just wanking with science words, but remember that it's never dumb to ask questions, and anyone who responds with hostility has ulterior motives.

Oh my god I'm so goddamn stoned right now, forgive me plz I u too Kate

Vani/Vanillakitsune/Vanimute. Luxebytes/sogaykingu/London. https://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Vani + https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Vanillakitsune

Displays all the symptoms of Munchausen's with guilt tripping people, reports of inconsistent symptoms, faking emergency situations, dramatizes mundane criteria like not getting her favorite Lime green Jeep 2020s someyear model.

Spoiler: Officially intrigued

...by how long it will take for you to be revealed as some big, dumb axe-grinding munchie orbiter yourself.

Spoiler: and another thing!

This thread is about (mostly) women who fake physical disorders and seek extreme, often surgical, measures for them, and about the doctors who knowingly and willingly enable them. Our girls end up butchered, harboring pan-resistant bacteria, on life support, and/or dead. Suicide tantrums don't even register here.


EDIT okay three exceptions:
Megan Stoff, our resident bottomless barrel of BPD bullshit, only briefly tried to fake physical illnesses but she was only notable because she constantly stirred shit in the Trevinoverse.
Myranda Miller with her coonhounds, her only physical ailments were real (HGH deficiency and an improperly healed club foot), but her failed service dog program was the point of interest.
Abrea Hensley. Home of the Anxiety Horse!

Maybe this person is munching mental retardation and that's why she thinks she should be a subject of this thread.

 

[Kiwi Kitty 2.0]

More on-thread topic, but found out a while back that a BLTGQ+ girl (so trend) my siblings knew in highschool now claims to be a "system" - not specifically munching from what I can tell, but hopping on trends (especially ones which harm people who actually have those disorders) is disgusting, ratshit behavior. That is all.

 

[$m3llycaT9876]

Hold the fuck up .. I’ve been following this board for years but clearly not close enough.

Would it be possible if you could provide me, a mere mortal, with the names of the people discussed in this board that have munched like you have expressed below. I’ll take a name and search kiwi from there. Holy shit KFS…

Spine collapse due to corticosteroids abuse … Jesus

Every zoomer on tiktok is faking mental illness and suicide baiting.

Call me when she:
-intentionally gives herself Stenotrophomonas maltophilia in her suprapubic catheter after years of antibiotic abuse so that doctors have no choice but to surgically remove her bladder before she dies.
- picks the flesh off her legs until the bone is exposed and they have to amputate.
- fucks up her digestive system with an eating disorder and anticholinergic abuse so hard that they have to transplant five organs into her but her self-induced autoimmune disease is reactivated and kills the donor organs.
-has to have her mesenteric artery grafted in a miracle life saving procedure that ultimately failed that she only needed because she went to an unscrupulous quack to get radical surgery for a disease she never had.
-goes into respiratory failure from status epilepticus because she spent so many nights seeking attention in the emergency room that no one believes her real seizures when they start.
-has several of her fingers amputated after years of injecting MRSA under her skin.
-overdoses herself on blood thinners when she has a lower respiratory infection so that her lungs fill with blood
-abuses corticosteroids until her spine collapses and she ends up a quadriplegic
-has a stroke from fucking with a central line she doesn't need in the first place
-fakes her death from assisted suicide after faking heart failure for a year.

All things we've documented munchies do.

 

[Lesbian Grandma]

Vanillakitsune is a personal cow of mine and I've been following her for nearly 15 years. She's a narcissist, liar, manipulator, thief, and a cunt but she's not a munchie.

 

[Indubitably]

Would it be possible if you could provide me, a mere mortal, with the names of the people discussed in this board that have munched like you have expressed below. I’ll take a name and search kiwi from there. Holy shit KFS…

Kelly Ronahan is a good start...but not while eating.

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

No, this is actually a very good point

Lol you really are stoned. It wasn't even a joking critique of you. I was just using you as a point of reference. If someone as medically literate and good at explaining things as you are (or @Aunt Carol, @Flourishing Pinecone ❧ etc) wants to convince someone they're sick when they're not, it becomes very difficult or even impossible for someone with no background like me to argue against them. The same way you guys can dumb down complex topics into plain english and not make the rest of us feel like idiots, this medically trained munchie can make me doubt what I know and completely obscure reality with complex terminology.

In this case the girl has a medical background with a laser focus on proving her claims are true. She overwhelms people with information to show off how much she knows and if anyone raises questions she always has an answer that makes it make sense. When I tried to write a timeline on her I literally couldn't. I don't have the vocabulary or the background knowledge. I can say I have a strong suspicion that she's lying and I can lay out my doubts, but when she's constantly using her medical background to outfox critics there comes a point where I can't argue against her. I simply do not know. I can point out the inconsistencies but it won't mean diddly-squat if she then posts a 500 word caption with case studies and clear language explaining why they're not inconsistencies.

But then when I bounced some posts off someone who does know better, they told me I was right. My doubts were correct even if I couldn't really articulate them. A few years ago maybe I would have been arrogant and Dunning-Kruger-y enough to think my medical history background in any way prepared me to argue with actual medical professionals. These days I've accepted my role as the thread's carnival barker.

Speaking of, back to work:

Hold the fuck up .. I’ve been following this board for years but clearly not close enough.

Would it be possible if you could provide me, a mere mortal, with the names of the people discussed in this board that have munched like you have expressed below. I’ll take a name and search kiwi from there. Holy shit KFS…

Spine collapse due to corticosteroids abuse … Jesus

>intentionally gives herself Stenotrophomonas maltophilia in her suprapubic catheter after years of antibiotic abuse so that doctors have no choice but to surgically remove her bladder before she dies.
Someone who is discussed in a DM chain but has not been posted.

>picks the flesh off her legs until the bone is exposed and they have to amputate
Kelly Ronahan

>fucks up her digestive system with an eating disorder and anticholinergic abuse so hard that they have to transplant five organs into her but her self-induced autoimmune disease is reactivated and kills the donor organs.
Cheyanne Perry Suarez who died this August after a multi-visceral transplant.

>has to have her mesenteric artery grafted in a miracle life saving procedure that ultimately failed that she only needed because she went to an unscrupulous quack to get radical surgery for a disease she never had.
Taylah Keating

>goes into respiratory failure from status epilepticus because she spent so many nights seeking attention in the emergency room that no one believes her real seizures when they start.
Katie Stanina. Link goes to her most recent update but there's links to all the older posts about her in the first line.

-has several of her fingers amputated after years of injecting MRSA under her skin.
Paige Donovan-Smith: archive, link index

-overdoses herself on blood thinners when she has a lower respiratory infection so that her lungs fill with blood
Katie Schmude. Update here because I'm still dying that she's gone full TERF.

>abuses corticosteroids until her spine collapses and she ends up a quadriplegic
Madeline-Camille Preuninger (paraplegic) and Taylor Nearon (quadriplegic)

>has a stroke from fucking with a central line she doesn't need in the first place
Rachel Denton. Never fully confirmed she had a central line, but she went to Dr. Trevino and her strokes were caused by an infection inside her heart.

>fakes her death from assisted suicide after faking heart failure for a year.
Rebekah "Nachodoggo" Scott. THIS LINK GOES TO THE ZOOSADISM MEGATHREAD.

 

[pineapples_are_evil2]

Maybe this person is munching mental retardation and that's why she thinks she should be a subject of this thread.

Seriously Thomas Eugene Paris, there is not enough people munching or LARP-ing mental and cognitive damage and delays.

I.feel like there was a kid like 12-16 who tried to claim Down's as part of their list of amazeballs diagnoses.... outside of Amanda/Ren's spechulness. They very much had zero physical aspects of Down's... lol

Guess it's not cool enough to fake being a tard. Not even any early onset Alzheimer or *shudder* Huntington's. They're both a bitch and early onset of Huntington before 40 or in Children is just painful to watch.

Or shame your mother, ruin your relationship with her and claim FAS, atleast that might be fun for the entire family to watch shit burn.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

More on-thread topic, but found out a while back that a BLTGQ+ girl (so trend) my siblings knew in highschool now claims to be a "system" - not specifically munching from what I can tell, but hopping on trends (especially ones which harm people who actually have those disorders) is disgusting, ratshit behavior. That is all.

There are very few ways of munching more specific or relevant to a thread about Munchausen by Internet than claiming to "be a system". It's a completely factitious entity that people - overwhelmingly people of, um, a particular social milieu - use for attention. It's a dead giveaway.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

If they release her without a social worker to help her it would be a huge disservice. She's never existed in the real world without the pigger over her shoulder, so at least let someone help her get her shit together.

She'll have her father, he fought to get her out early and seemed absolutely destroyed to hear the truth since he was divorced from the pig mom.

Wrong. You aren't an expert on Munchausen's Syndrome. Where do you get off on falsely accusing of people telling the truth?

@Trombonista or whoever mods BP, can we just ban retards like this? We really don't need a balldo 2.0 spergfest while things just got stable again.

@Thomas Eugene Paris, what would you rate NCIS's reports? Are they also becoming increasingly unreliable? Or mayo clinic?

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

what would you rate NCIS's reports?

10 Gibbs out of 10.

 

[Lesbian Grandma]

Seriously Thomas Eugene Paris, there is not enough people munching or LARP-ing mental and cognitive damage and delays.

I.feel like there was a kid like 12-16 who tried to claim Down's as part of their list of amazeballs diagnoses.... outside of Amanda/Ren's spechulness. They very much had zero physical aspects of Down's... lol

Guess it's not cool enough to fake being a tard. Not even any early onset Alzheimer or *shudder* Huntington's. They're both a bitch and early onset of Huntington before 40 or in Children is just painful to watch.

Or shame your mother, ruin your relationship with her and claim FAS, atleast that might be fun for the entire family to watch shit burn.

There is a type of downs called "mosaic down syndrome" which is typically (not always) much less severe than what most people think of downs and some of them don't know they have it unless they get tested because they look fairly normal and just have some learning difficulties

That being said, whoever you're talking about was 99.999% for sure faking

 

[Quack_Quack]

Every zoomer on tiktok is faking mental illness and suicide baiting.

Call me when she:
-intentionally gives herself Stenotrophomonas maltophilia in her suprapubic catheter after years of antibiotic abuse so that doctors have no choice but to surgically remove her bladder before she dies.
- picks the flesh off her legs until the bone is exposed and they have to amputate.
- fucks up her digestive system with an eating disorder and anticholinergic abuse so hard that they have to transplant five organs into her but her self-induced autoimmune disease is reactivated and kills the donor organs.
-has to have her mesenteric artery grafted in a miracle life saving procedure that ultimately failed that she only needed because she went to an unscrupulous quack to get radical surgery for a disease she never had.
-goes into respiratory failure from status epilepticus because she spent so many nights seeking attention in the emergency room that no one believes her real seizures when they start.
-has several of her fingers amputated after years of injecting MRSA under her skin.
-overdoses herself on blood thinners when she has a lower respiratory infection so that her lungs fill with blood
-abuses corticosteroids until her spine collapses and she ends up a quadriplegic
-has a stroke from fucking with a central line she doesn't need in the first place
-fakes her death from assisted suicide after faking heart failure for a year.

All things we've documented munchies do.

Also, introducing faecal bacteria into a central line from poor hygiene and bring proud of it. See also, induced liver problems, probable junkie and forever alone as her "boyfriend" married someone else.

. I try not to sperg so hard that it's just wanking with science words,

I am a fan of the science word wanks... I am prone to them myself especially wrt brain death and the idiots keeping a body on vent.

 

[glioblastoma multiforme]

Finally, I believe that no one truly understands something unless he or she is able to explain it in clear, simple terms to someone else.

I think this depends on the subject area. Anything that requires a lot of maths is not going to be possible to explain to someone without a similar level of maths. Someone could easily understand potential energy surfaces or master equations so be able to explain them to someone with the requisite maths, but be at a total loss explaining to a lay person.

it's never dumb to ask questions, and anyone who responds with hostility has ulterior motives.

For sure.

With respect to explaining medical things, ime doctors and nurses have a very specific way of communicating when you are in a genuine emergency. They tell you enough to keep you compliant with treatment but avoid saying anything to make you panic. So I think most people who have been through a serious accident or illness that made them acutely ill probably don't have much understanding of what's going on at the time, and maybe never if they don't google everything on their discharge papers, like all test results etc to try and figure it out.

For chronic illness people who genuinely have them do seem genuinely knowledgeable about them as it's necessary for managing them and also they just pick it up over time.

Munchies cause their own acute illnesses so would likely have more understanding of it than someone admitted with it off the street, whereas they would probably have less understanding of the chronic illnesses they're trying to get diagnosed with, beyond what symptoms to report. I feel there should be a way of gauging likely munching based on communication style, even if they're not going for current shiny diagnoses.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

she'd ask for superfluous prayers

this really made laugh, sending you superfluous holiday joy, KFS

 

[SNU]

Munchies with a medical background can usually talk their way through things but sometimes they do the dumbest things. I read about a nurse who was munching pheochromocytoma. Doctors hardly ever even suspect it because it's rare. People who actually have it are usually diagnosed after being hospitalized for an unexplained hypertensive crisis. This nurse knew enough to get the doctors to test for it. The test is measuring metanephrines and catecholamines. There is a blood test available now but a lot of people still use a 24hr urine sample. Adrenaline is a type of catecholamine and metanephrines are what it's metabolized into. There are rules around the test because it's easy to raise the levels in a healthy person. Prior to the test you stop caffeine, nicotine, some foods, etc for a period of time. I think munchie got the doctor to test for it by mimicking symptoms and carefully hinting at symptoms. You can raise your blood pressure but forcefully bearing down when they are taking your blood pressure and stuff like that. Then when doing the test they added adrenaline from an epipen. So adrenaline was high but the metabolites weren't raised which got the doctor suspicious. The doctor then ordered the blood test which was normal and they were diagnosed with fictitious disorder.

So they quite often know enough to trick people but don't know about subtle things that give them away. That's why they usually stick to illnesses where there is a big subjective element to it. It's risky to munch things that have a test for it. You can induce illness and at first glance you get away with it but if someone gets suspicious they can usually take a closer look and see problems

Here's an overview on test tampering and how the laboratory can tell the difference.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0004563212473280#bibr27-0004563212473280

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Here's something to keep in mind about this diagnosis, it seems to most often come up with BPD. There's some conjecture within the psych community regarding whether or not nearly every person with BPD does not also have C-PTSD, because what is considered "traumatizing" to someone with BPD could be something relatively minor. The symptoms of C-PTSD are not really like the symptoms of PTSD either.

Anecdotally, I was speaking with a coworker who specializes in clinical psychology and apparently they're not even treated the same way, it's a whole other type of therapy people with C-PTSD need, and it happens to be the same type that is more effective for people with borderline.

I don't know your friend, but she sounds like she's got a lot of Cluster B going on and is playing people for asspats and validation. Munchies and those personality disorders seem to go hand in hand often in this thread.

The thing is, everyone says that Hypermobile EDS is autosomal dominant, but if it were autosomal dominant, we would see both sexes and all age groups being affected equally. But it’s mostly adult women, a demographic that is known for having Munchhausen’s, so it makes me skeptical. As for my friend, not only has she been through trauma, but she has seen trauma as well. Her sister got date raped at a party and knowing about has probably made her more messed up.

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

Munchies with a medical background can usually talk their way through things but sometimes they do the dumbest things.

The girl I'm talking about doesn't really seem to fool her doctors that much. Enough to get worked up for things, but every time she says she's been diagnosed with a true rare and shiny none of the other zebras have, her treatment plan never changes to reflect the new diagnosis. She's also burned bridges at just about every hospital in her state. We think she is smart enough to get a concerned doctor to work her up for things, but then just lies on social media about actually being diagnosed with them and bombards people with information to keep them from asking too many questions.

Forgive the vagueness but I am working through the archive I made with someone who can help, so I don't want to show my hand just yet.

 

[SNU]

It'd be interesting to see an update to risk factors for munching. Medical experience or family with medical experience was a common risk factor (like up to 80% of cases had it). It'd be interesting to see if the internet has changed things. Maybe the ease of access for the average person to find in depth medical information makes it more accessible for non medical people to munch. I imagine that pre internet if the average person wanted to munch they'd just get sick a lot with small things (gastro, colds, etc) and it wouldn't be detected because they weren't larping something serious. People would just assume they have a weak immune system. Then only medical people would actually try munching more serious things and get caught leading to the statistics of the risk factors.

Or do you think the risk factor would be unchanged and munchies are just drawn to those professions?

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

It'd be interesting to see an update to risk factors for munching. Medical experience or family with medical experience was a common risk factor (like up to 80% of cases had it). It'd be interesting to see if the internet has changed things. Maybe the ease of access for the average person to find in depth medical information makes it more accessible for non medical people to munch. I imagine that pre internet if the average person wanted to munch they'd just get sick a lot with small things (gastro, colds, etc) and it wouldn't be detected because they weren't larping something serious. People would just assume they have a weak immune system. Then only medical people would actually try munching more serious things and get caught leading to the statistics of the risk factors.

Or do you think the risk factor would be unchanged and munchies are just drawn to those professions?

Spoiler: Munchausen, BPD, EDs, medical profession

This is just conjecture based on my medfag-adjacent professional experience, but the overlap appears to exist between Munchausen's, eating disorders, BPD, and pursuing some kind of medical profession. In the case of restrictive eating disorders (real ones, not "atypical anorexia"), when they get severe enough they do end with people being hospitalized for long periods of time, usually more than once. While admitted, they are treated as far too fragile to do basic tasks without help, most of their social interaction is with medical professionals, friends and family members are probably spoiling them with attention/praise/encouragement to support their recovery, and having your health monitored 24/7 makes it seem normal to hyperfixate on your bodily functions and overshare about them under the assumption whoever you're talking to is interested in discussing it. They aren't all completely malingering either, a lot of them just start to somatize like crazy, blow discomfort out of proportion, get health anxiety, and are truly, honestly convinced they have something very wrong with them. It is very easy to get used to the "sick role" and oftentimes they appear to recover from the eating disorder, but only because they transfer their obsession into pursuing full-time munching.

As for why so many ED/munchies become health professionals of some type, it could simply be that EDs/munchies spend a fair bit of time sitting in hospital and get the idea to pursue a medical profession because they've had a lot of exposure to it. Kind of like how so many kids whose only life experience is school think they want to be teachers. Same thing applies to munchies who started with an actual serious medical event/illness either themselves or in the immediate family. Sitting in a hospital with unlimited free time and fuck all to do, the only source of potential interest is medical shit occurring around you and it's natural to pay attention. It's virtually guaranteed you'll strike up a few conversations with other sick people or their families that naturally will revolve around medical shit, and hopefully there are plenty of positive interactions with medical staff who will usually answer questions to a point if it's not a privacy violation to do so. For people so inclined, they'll learn all kinds of stuff and discover they find medicine interesting enough to pursue it. It's also a fantastic source of munchie ammo, as is everything they learn if they start education to be a medical professional. If they end up working somewhere they have easy access to prescription medication that they know can be abused to fuck yourself up if you wanted to, even better.

There's also the BPD cases, who make up a good chunk of the eating disorder/munchie population. Not unusual for them to be looking for an identity and decide to go all-in on being "the sick person." Also not unusual for them to have blown up most of their relationships to the point most positive social interaction in their life is with medical professionals, they start thinking they're closer with them than they actually are and deciding to skinwalk them as a result, again because BPD. It's common knowledge that BPD and substance abuse often go hand in hand, so you've also got the ones who munch and/or pursue medicine at least partially with the goal of accessing narcotics. Then there is the observation that BPD cases seem to often be the product of parents who pull NPD shit or at least raised them with a degree of neglect and constant invalidation, so it follows that a lot of them are going to figure out that being sick finally forces their parents to pay them the attention they never really got and are kind of desperate for. These are the ones likely to munch so hard they full-on regress into behaving very childlike and immature all around, perhaps making their parents do everything for them complete with feeding, cleaning and toileting, I guess they subconsciously want to relive the childhood they wish they had.

Tbh I'd like to know more about the people who end up Munchausen-by-proxying either their dependent or their patients if they work in medicine. I'd guess most are sociopathic or histrionic/narcissistic but (thankfully) I have very little experience with those people.