Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Apparently Der Spiegel has an article about Ukraine in dire straights that seems to casually confirm a million Ukrainian casualties but I can't find the german-language source link:



This would be an even bigger bombshell:

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snov said:
Clearly not something the yanks care about, the Abrams uses a helicopter motor for zero good reason.
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In the 1970s, when the tank was designed, a gas turbine engine had a significant power/weight and fuel efficiency advantage over diesel. The Honeywell engine in the Abrams has a roughly 1.0 kW/kg power/weight, while the contemporary V-84MS in the T-72 is closer to 0.6 kW/kg. Likewise, the specific fuel consumption of the gas turbine is 226 g/kW-hr, while the V-84 is rated at 247 g/kW-hr. The Russian diesel engine is also only 60% as powerful as the American gas turbine.

Modern electronically controlled diesel engines with EFI are a different story. The Detroit Diesel Series 60, introduced in 1987, heralded a revolution in diesel power and efficiency, which of course came to Russia after the Cold War ended. We saw diesel engine efficiency jump by as much as 2x in this era. Today, the latest engine in the T-90, the V-92S2F, achieves a power/weight ratio of about 1.2. If you were designing a new tank from the ground up today, diesel is probably preferable...which is probably why the American MBF tank under development is using a turbodiesel, not a gas turbine. Unfortunately, replacing the gas turbine in an Abrams with a modern turbodiesel would require a complete redesign.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Apparently Der Spiegel has an article about Ukraine in dire straights that seems to casually confirm a million Ukrainian casualties but I can't find the german-language source link:



This would be an even bigger bombshell:

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What in the ever loving fuck is Hersch smoking?

Ukraine joining NATO with a "frozen conflict" still on place would literally lead to a Russia vs NATO war.

A more realistic scenario would be current Frontlines becoming Russian, NO NATO ever, and no EU membership for a decade plus.
 
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Falcos_Commisar said:
What in the ever loving fuck is Hersch smoking?

Ukraine joining NATO with a "frozen conflict" still on place would literally lead to a Russia vs NATO war.

A more realistic scenario would be current Frontlines becoming Russian, NO NATO ever, and no EU membership for a decade plus.
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They may be using Hersch to gauge the public's and Russia's reception to those terms. I also don't believe that is a deal Putin would accept unless the Russian military is in worse shape than it appears.

IMO the Dniepre river will eventually be the new border and I've been saying that since the first week.
 
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IamnottheNSA said:
>fortifications will be built along the entire border with the Russian Federation and Belarus.
Great Wall of Ukraine coming soon.
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They've basically provided us an IQ test to judge other commentators. Anyone who believes that is possible to do is clinically retarded. It would take many, many years even if the resources to build it existed.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
They've basically provided us an IQ test to judge other commentators. Anyone who believes that is possible to do is clinically retarded. It would take many, many years even if the resources to build it existed.
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Yellow man did it without much machinery. But I doubt there is enough motivational vodka, and it would take decades. Also wouldn't stop aircraft, which the mongols lacked.

Hungary should build a wall to control borders, but walls don't really stop tanks or artillery anymore and haven't for at least two centuries. Guess what Soviet Russia has, artillery shoots you!
 
borsabil said:
Women can't fight as infantry, and old men are almost as useless. There are men in their late sixties being conscripted, given hand me down rags to wear an AK with barely any ammo and sent straight into the meat grinder to end up dead within hours. We're witnessing some weird Satanic blood ritual, a mass sacrifice ending with the slaughter of Ukraine's future, it's women of child bearing age. I can't believe what I'm seeing right now and how almost no one in the western MSM even comments on it, let alone condemns this madness.
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Equality and so on. They're le heckin strong female soldiers avenging the lesser males who will put evil Russian men like Putler into SHIELD's containment facility. I'm more surprised people didn't see this coming. Do you think a corrupt government is going to let a tradition they cast aside remain entirely? Them letting women leave the country for safety was more of a surprise to me because of all the ones who don't want to come back, which was an inevitability because of how people work: they get used to something they like, they'll stick with it, especially if the alternative isn't looking too good.
The Ugly One said:
Why would the MSM comment on it? That would be like commenting on how Baltimore's a fucking shithole since the whites moved out.
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my fucking sides
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
They may be using Hersch to gauge the public's and Russia's reception to those terms. I also don't believe that is a deal Putin would accept unless the Russian military is in worse shape than it appears.

IMO the Dniepre river will eventually be the new border and I've been saying that since the first week.
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Russian prestige has been damaged. I dont think they will negotiate until they restore it with a significant victory. Unless, as you say, things are worse than they seem.
 
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Counteroffensiyv status; canceled!
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Of all the things the Ukraine has done, I have to say conscripting women has hit me the hardest. Not because I too am a woman but because this seals the death of the Ukraine like no other action it has taken. For me its probably the best indicator the Ukraine is not worth saving if it's demanding women of child bearing age throw themselves into the trenches to die, leaving behind orphans who will be be preyed upon by venal compatriots and ghoulish Western patrons to abuse and/or harvest for organs. Parents who should be looked after will now have to care for their grandchildren if they can.

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The sooner the Ukraine is destroyed the better off everyone will be.
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When you start drafting women and kids, it means you've officially lost the war. I mean, trying to create a DMZ wall to keep the Russians out (which by the way, would never work because it's not the year 1200.) is also not a good sign.
 
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I reckon NATO/EU/US are negotiating for the taken Ukrainian lands to be a DMZ like North/South Korea has; no-one owns it, or they joint-own it, meaning there's a separation between the front lines of Russia and NATO.
 
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Gondolindrim said:
When you start drafting women and kids, it means you've officially lost the war. I mean, trying to create a DMZ wall to keep the Russians out (which by the way, would never work because it's not the year 1200.) is also not a good sign.
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It didn't work for the French either in 1940, and theirs was acknowledged by both sides to be impregnable from the German side.

Static fortifications are always best deployed as a means to delay a superior enemy because you can never hold them indefinitely.
 
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Donetsk Front - Russia controls 90% of Marinka following Ukrainian withdrawal​

Invasion Update - 1 December, 2023 - Day 646
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Recap​

Marinka was a charming town/suburb south-west of Donetsk City. However, since 2014, the town is situated on the border between Ukraine and the pro-Russian Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). When the Invasion struck in 2022, Marinka became a hellscape, as Russia and Ukraine fought over control of the town and every single building was destroyed. Both countries are fighting tooth-and-nail for Marinka since 2022, making expanding territorial control extremely slow.

I will be covering updates in Marinka since 20 June.

June-July - Russia makes minimal gains on flanks​

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  • On 20 June, the Russian Ground Forces (Russian Army) continued making slow advances south of Marinka and seized new defensive positions with reinforcements. (1 + 2)
  • However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) retook several of these defensive positions on 14 July in a counter-attack. (3)
  • North of Marinka and west of Donetsk, the Russian Army took control over the Trudovska mine shaft south of Krasnohorivka (another village with the same name, not the same as the Krasnohorivka north of Avdiivka), which is located behind the 2014 Ukrainian line of defense. (4)

September-October - Russia slowly advances without notable results​

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  • For two months, the situation hasn't changed for the Russian or Ukrainian forces in Marinka: positional battles are taking place from long distances due to the lack of intact infrastructure. The AFU is located in the western outskirts of the town separated by a large grey area from the Russian Army, controlling only 20% of the town.
  • However, during the week of 8 September, the Russian Army managed to finally advance along the Naberezhna, Kashtanova, Shakhtarska and Polihrafichna Streets, probably seizing portions of the grey area. (1) Clashes have reached the lake area (Marinske Reservoir), but it's not confirmed at that time that Russian forces have consolidate its positions around it. In addition, the AFU still controls 20% of the town.
  • As of 15 September, the Russian Army continue shelling Ukrainian Army positions in the west Marinka (47.946520, 37.487734). In addition, Russian troops have intensified the assault operations but didn't achieve any significant results over the past several days.
  • After a week of intense combats, the Russian Army made small advances north of Marinka on 8 October (2) that was soon recaptured by Ukraine 12 days later. (3)

November-December - Ukraine finally withdraws from most of Marinka, ending the most intensive stage of fighting​

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  • On 20 November, the Russian Army captured new blocks in Marinka following an advance along Urozhaina, Polihrafichna and Shakhtarska Streets. Russian Army is in control of approximately 80% of the town. (1) However, not much has happened that month with very minimal Russian advances.
SuriyakMaps said:
During the last hours there have been minimal Russian advances in Marinka. However, there is nothing certain of a breakthrough of the front. In fact it is highly unlikely that this can happen in the short term, the locality has become a symbol of Ukrainian resistance, for after a year and a half of fighting Russian forces have still not established effective control over it. The only possibility of ending this battle will be either by Ukrainian withdrawal from its positions or by the opening of secondary fronts by the Russian troops that prevent the Ukrainian army from maintaining the defenses on this axis. For now it does not seem to be a Russian priority and the Ukrainians do not seem to have problems to maintain the positions.
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  • This take was made on 30 November and quickly aged like milk the day after. Ukraine finally withdrew from the southwestern portion of the town on 1 December, resulting in the Russian Army intensifying their push towards the last Ukrainian positions in the southwestern part of the town. Recent video footage below shows the Russian Tricolor Flag in the western edge of the town of Marinka. (2)
  • As a result, 90% of Marinka is under Russian control, with Ukrainian forces holding the northwestern section adjacent to Marinske reservoir.

Conclusion​

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  • There is not much to add to the Russian capture of the main area of Marinka besides adding to the buffer zone around Donetsk. However, with the most intense fighting over, this will free up the Russian Army to assault other villages such as Heorhiivka in the northwest (and recapture the last remnants of Marinka) or the villages of Pobjeda and Novomykhailivka in the south. However, it is to note that since Marinka is an obliterated town with most, if not all, buildings destroyed, there are not a lot of defensive positions for the Russian forces, so Ukraine could recapture some parts of the destroyed town in a counter-attack.​
SuriyakMaps said:
Why wasn't Marinka's full capture discussed? The capture of the southwestern part of the city (https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/1685) marks the end of the heavy fighting we have witnessed in these 646 days of fighting. However, it is still too early to say that the battle for Heorhiivka/Георгіївка is about to begin, in fact, there are still 1300 meters to reach the dam, which marks the boundary of the township, 1300 meters that will still be costly for attacker and defender advancing over the ruins of what once became a town and which is now engulfed by snow.

But even when the town falls under complete Russian control, it will not mean an acceleration of advances in the region. Winter is about to arrive and with it the reduction of operational capabilities on the front. Possible actions of the Russian army will be the extension of the zone of control around the locality by approaching Krasnogorrivka/Красногорорівка from the south and Pobjeda/Побєда from the north by taking the heights overlooking the village of Kostyantynivka/Костянтинівка.
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Crediting most of what I have to SuriyakMaps (Telegram), which has been consistently neutral and reliable, and has been my main source for posting updates in the Russian Invasion of Ukraine and the Israeli Invasion of Gaza threads.

Previous update: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/russian-special-military-operation-in-the-ukraine.150029/post-17264051
 
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