Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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The slow news days eem to grating on us.
I awai the release of The Indigo Disk. At least I can actually ge to my hack that way.
I've mostly been playing the Pokémon TCG lately, some of the decks that came out of Paradox Rift's release are downright nasty. Seriously, I've gotten Turn 1 donks with Iron Valiant ex/Entei V because players are retarded enough to run Dark Tera Charizard ex decks with only a single 60 HP Charmander as their starting Pokémon.
 
It's the legs with Cinderace that makes a big difference IMO. Look at Delphox's legs. You can barely see them but it's obvious it has the same legs as Braixen i.e. not human shaped at all:
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Incineroar has defined thigh muscles, which make it look far more human-like, but not as much as...
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Cinderace not only has defined glutes. but also defined calves. The clown shoe feet all add to the uncanny feel, like it's a guy in a suit. I could tolerate the "job" nature, as @Lone Star so aptly put it. I could even tolerate the stupid little Jeremy Beadle-esque hands. It's the legs and feet more than anything else.


A chart based on my autistic opinion

PassdebatableToo human-looking
MeowscaradaGreninjaDelphox
BlazikenChesnaughtCinderace
EmboarHisuian DecidueyeIncineroar
DecidueyeQuaquaval
Inteleon

I'd exclude Rillaboom. As a monkey, it's design relies on having human features and except for the three poor elemental ones, gamefreaks monkee designs are always an A+.

Primarina as a hybrid likely based on a mermaid comes off as it's intended to be like that.

Skeledirge is quadrupedal and a successful example of integrating the core features of a profession into an animals design without creating a person in a suit.
 
I agree with pretty much all of those. I would personally put Delphox in borderline/debatable, but that's only because I like it :story:

I agree about the monkeys, too, except for Oranguru. YMMV. I saw a clip once of Nebby teleporting everyone around. One of the girls gets teleported to a counter with an Oranguru like a barman. I, not being familiar with the Pokémon, genuinely thought they were doing some crossover joke with a different anime because Oranguru looks so out of place.
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Like I said, YMMV.
 
I saw a clip once of Nebby teleporting everyone around. One of the girls gets teleported to a counter with an Oranguru like a barman.
I remember that episode, giving the alola anime a chance last year.
In the show, Oranguru is basically the barkeeper and therapist of alolas humans and Pokemon alike.

He's humanoid but animal-like enough at the same time to pull this off without being too out of the place. As it's highly intelligent and can make other Pokemon fight each other like a trainer, he can sure mix some drinks as well.
I agree it can be weird and displaced if you didn't watch the whole episode.


What's really important is that I'm sure more than one white woman identified with the girl in the scene and fantasized about being fucked by the Chimpanzee after making him their emotional tampon.
 
I remember that episode, giving the alola anime a chance last year.
What's it like? I haven't watched the show outside clips since season 1 and Alola seems like a good place to start again. Between Lillie trying to pet Pikachu and missing Vulpix with a Poké ball from like two feet away it just seems like harmless fun.

What's really important is that I'm sure more than one white woman identified with the girl in the scene and fantasized about being fucked by the Chimpanzee after making him their emotional tampon.
I was going to ask where this came from but then I remembered that big "content creators" unironically put out stuff like this:
At least they introduced me to Dragapult. Probably now my favorite post gen-VII design alongside Raboot. Look at how cool this guy is
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What's really important is that I'm sure more than one white woman identified with the girl in the scene and fantasized about being fucked by the Chimpanzee after making him their emotional tampon.
I remember there being a fad where a buch of Nipponese women were in love with an 'extremely handsome' gorilla... fo rea life.
 
Jobmon worked in XY because each was supposed to represent an RPG class...in an RPG, it was meta and it made it easier to identify which starter you wanted(other than for it's type or how much you liked how it looked). Gen 7 forward shit the bed, I don't think there is any connection between the 3 in Alola and Galar/Paldea trio are just stereotypes based on the region
 
What's it like? I haven't watched the show outside clips since season 1 and Alola seems like a good place to start again. Between Lillie trying to pet Pikachu and missing Vulpix with a Poké ball from like two feet away it just seems like harmless fun.
It's not bad, you should give Alola a chance.
It's the best the series has been since season 1, but thats just my opinion.
I know the fanbase for gen 6 is huge, Kalos never caught me but i got stuck to the episodes about the tropical islands.
Even tho there are many filler episodes and often the cringe marketing becomes as obvious as it could get, but it's a solid arc altogether.

The setting is beautiful and full of life, imagine the exact opposite of the wild area from swsh,
also not as linear as the gen 7 games so you get to see a lot more of alola that you don't see in the games.
The storyline is as close to the games as possible and you didn't have had to watch the last 35626 seasons of the series to know who is who.
Ash visiting a trainer school with professor Kukui as the teacher and the trial captains as students makes for a welcome change.

The battles are rather intense, even the battle royale, that ingame suffered from the 3ds engine more than anything else,
gets its fair share and is actually good.
You don't have to deal with the team rocket trio every episode, they sometimes don't even appear for multiple episodes in a row.
Alola offers many parallel storylines and sidestorys, multi-part-episodes with the total length of a movie and a full roster of new antagonists that all have their own backstories.

The show ditches two of it's oldest and most severe flaws: the linear formular and lame fights.


I was going to ask where this came from
Basic knowledge
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but then I remembered that big "content creators" unironically put out stuff like this:
Thanks. Now I have to watch it.
 
Good to know. I think I'll watch it, thanks.

I'm old enough to have grown up playing the original games, but I've always had a soft spot for Alola. Something about the look and feel of the games. And the people there are so nice. From what I've seen and heard, gen VII was the last hurrah of the series, before it sank into mediocrity and money just being automatically transferred from consumers' bank accounts to TPC's coffers.
 
PassdebatableToo human-looking
MeowscaradaGreninjaDelphox
BlazikenChesnaughtCinderace
EmboarHisuian DecidueyeIncineroar
DecidueyeQuaquaval
Inteleon
I will counter with my own autistic opinion because I mostly disagree with yours and I think it might make for some interesting conversation:

PassStretching itToo human-looking
Blaziken- I don't know why people say this thing looks outright humanoid at all. Just because it has a bipedal stance doesn't make it human-like. Besides, it's a bit hard to make a fighting-type chicken without a little bit of anthropomorphization, especially going by the standards of gens 1-3.Emboar- Honestly, it'd have looked better as a Dark type on 4 legs, but this opinion has already been beaten to death. As it is now, its proportions are still abnormal enough to pass for a monster and not a human, even if there's no real reason beyond its (literally human) inspiration and unnecessary Fighting type for it to be on 2 legs.Chesnaught- The execution here just sucks dick. If this thing is supposed to be a glyptodon, I really can't see it. There's no reason for it to be standing this straight, nor for its arms to be this thin, and the tacked-on beard just makes things worse.
Infernape- I honestly think this thing is mostly to blame for the jobmon trend, but it still looks monke-ish enough to get a pass. That face and the "shirt" are pushing it, but all of its mannerisms are extremely ape-like and it's pretty hard for it not to look human-like considering the species.Delphox- Obviously not human. However, definitely still humanoid. I think it passes for a fox witch quite well, even if the concept itself is a bit questionable, and I think most of the issues it has are worse in Braixen and just end up as part of Delphox due to carryover. The wand is the worst part about this one.Primarina- I know this doesn't look too human in stature, but everything about this design screams "man-made" like neither a selkie nor a seal ever should. There's no reason for this thing to have a tied mane with pearl beads, no reason for the tiara-like protrusion from its head, no reason for it to have eyelashes and a humanoid face. Even the extremely humanoid focus on singing only gets a pass because it's literally based on creatures that use vocals to lure sailors into danger... but those creatures are also part-human, so it doesn't really defeat my point here. If they wanted to make a selkie, they should've either gone all out (like what they did with Mr Mime or Jynx in terms of human faces) or stuck closer to the animal inspiration instead of doing this weird in-between.
Empoleon- Mostly gets a pass because you'd have to tell me that this was based on Napoleon for me to know. It's a very penguin-like design- it just has some hints of humanoid to it (namely the way its sense of honor is executed + the lacey pattern on the front) that might give away its inspiration if you're looking really really hard for it.Greninja- Really really stretching it. It's only really here because I think the design works very well in spite of the pretty blatant humanization. The simple fact that it's a frog and not a cat or a dog removes pretty much every aspect of furrybait, and the combination of weird-ass frog proportions with normal human ones keeps it looking uncanny enough to fit as a pocket monster.Incineroar- Do I really need to elaborate on the multi-paragraph essay I shat out earlier in the thread?
Both Decidueyes- The most human thing about this one is probably its headgear, and you could easily pass off that hood/hat as camouflage or those glasses as normal markings. You could make a case for the bow-stringing and the arrows, but if you did then you'd need to start arguing against literally any Pokémon that uses a human weapon, and I don't think that really helps things.Hisuian Typhlosion- Not discussed nearly as much as it should be when humanoid starters come into the picture, and I don't know why. The stupid thing literally has eyeliner and a necklace- not to mention, the same issues with mannerisms as the Galar duo do. Look at that hand gesture in its official art, man. That's not a badger thing.Inteleon- Just barely still a guy in a suit to me. Frankly, I don't think I want to give its awful proportions any credit by claiming that they were added to make it look less human, because that's so very obviously not the case. This motherfucker is humanoid enough to have a built-in cape and birthday suit that resembles human clothing and acts exactly like a human at all times. The horrible sausage fingers and bloated head come across more as a design oversight than a genuine attempt to make it look more monstery.
Rillaboom- I've been trying to convince myself that this isn't a guy in a suit since it came out and it's kind of working. The most human thing about it is that god-awful retarded drum. If you took that shit away and just had it beating on a wooden chest (its own) like everyone and their mom agreed would be better, it'd barely be human at all.Skeledirge- Only not in the "pass" category because of the built-in clothes (which you could argue aren't clothes quite easily) and mic. It also doesn't help that, despite being very obviously built to be quadrupedal, almost every single piece of marketing featuring this thing has it on two legs and singing into a microphone. Probably the least humanoid non-ape starter we've had in years, though.Cinderace- The prototypical example for damn good reason. Already elaborated on earlier by Friendly Primarina, whose points I mostly agree with, and it has the same problem with mannerisms and clothing patterns that I mentioned in Inteleon.
Meowscarada- Dear god, they put a cat in thigh-highs and gave it a cape and mask. And it behaves exactly like a flamboyant arguably horny showman. Kill it. Please please please.
Quaquaval- There are so, so many ways that you could've made a fighting-type coot that didn't involve absolutely destroying this poor thing's spinal cord with a massive derriere and literal pants on human legs. There are so, so many ways you could've incorporated hand gestures into wings without literally shaving the bird's arms and giving it human fingers. There are so, so many ways that you could've imitated a mask without giving this thing massive human eyebrows and a pompadour.
Why did they choose to do all of these things?

(I tried putting this thing into spoilers but it broke all the formatting so I have to leave it as is. Sorry. Hopefully my sperging doesn't take up too much space.)

I'm curious as to how Inteleon and Meowscarada get a pass from you and Quaquaval is only "debatably" humanoid, but Delphox is going too far and Cinderace is straight-up too human.
 
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I suppose I admit I feel like the one guy on Earth that sees Incineroar as just an exaggeratedly-styled tiger on two legs the way Feraligatr is a cartoony gator being bipedal (I mentioned him for a reason besides comparison, he is my favorite water starter), but I came back to Pokemon fandom in Gen 7 after leaving in Gen 4, truly unaware of the jobmon and humanoid issues that built up and blissfully thinking people would just headcanon or draw all the starters acting like animals anyways. That was a hell of a culture shock to see the reality. But it also was helped by my nerdery on cats and paying attention to the asshole Incineroar in movie 20 and pokedex entries making its personality far more capricious like you expect actual big cats to be. If they drew the Movie 20 Incineroar’s action with the base posing in my attached pic in last post and not gorilla walk it’d solve everything IMO.

Meowscarada technically got more digitigrade legs and cats paws than Incineroar, but absolutely acts like a furry seductress in return for nominally better anatomy off the bat. What a monkeys paw situation there. Inteleon… I could see it crawling up a wall lizard-like for some reason but seeing it run across a pond like a basilisk feels silly even if that looks silly in real life. And Cinderace I just feel is on the level of Primarina as too human in accessories, even if I would love to see some on-model or model-enough fanart having it run or sit like a real rabbit.

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I’d like to say it’s obvious now I am a fan of the immersion into the world of Pokemon as fantastic creatures in nature and ecosystems, and how they work or function in that. So to at least shift the topic away from the design essays, I am glad the DLC will canonize starters being catchable in the wild for role-playing purposes for sake of building a dream team in X or fan region.
 
Thoughts on PokéClicker, PokéFarm Q, Pokémon Tower Defense or any other Pokémon-related web games?
 
Thoughts on PokéClicker, PokéFarm Q, Pokémon Tower Defense or any other Pokémon-related web games?
I've played PokeClicker up to Hoenn but I ended up quitting because even though Hoenn is my favorite region I was already long bored of it and I had 0 interest in doing the other regions.

I've not played those others but I like stupid clicker games and tower defense games so I'll check them out. I have played GPXPlus on and off for way too long 14 years or so and its been okay. I like some of their novelty mons but the "game" itself is just brainless busywork while I have Runescape or a tv show running on my other monitor.
 
It's not a starter, but the sportsball monke is debatably a jobmon. If Unova was made with current day Gamefreak's starter design philosophy I could see Passimian being a grass starter
I had to look this one up because I didn't remember it at all, and holy shit, fucking really, GF?

I'd like to apologize to Oranguru for calling it out-of-place earlier. Hell, I almost want to apologize to Cinderace. It even has the defined legs I criticized Cinderace so hard for earlier, too.
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I will counter with my own autistic opinion because I mostly disagree with yours and I think it might make for some interesting conversation

Challenge accepted

I didn't even include it in my list. It is a perfectly fine designed emperor penguin with some added royal features.
For the same reason

Rillaboom
passes. If it wasn't for the drum, it would be just a gorilla with some rastafari/afro traits.
Bouffalants hair is more out of place than the hair on Rillaboom. With the only drawback being the drum, it's design is bonkers. In older gens, the drum might have been part of it's body.

Both Decidueyes
I agree with your take on the alolan variant.
However, the hisuian form...
While the original one passes as an owl with the traits of Robin Hood, the Hisuian variant is just offputting to me.
Its movements are kind of wonky and it looks like a guy in traditional japanese clothing mixed with a scarecrow. The owl origin is barely resembled and it stands back behind Typhlosion and Samuratt like a weird kid that dont know where to put its limbs.

Meowscarada- Dear god, they put a cat in thigh-highs and gave it a cape and mask. And it behaves exactly like a flamboyant arguably horny showman. Kill it. Please please please.
Now listen and then laugh at me, Meowscarada passes a thousand times more than Incineroar.
I think its caused by multiple stereotypes of cats being sneaky like wizards and shit.
Puss in boots is a common trope, therefore it is almost like intended tp be like this. You seldom see Puss in wrestler suit.
Maybe i'm biased as Sprigatito would have been my go-to if i bought SV. Seeing Floragato on Gireum Reds Livestream, i was heavily disappointed it will turn into another furrybait, which it indeed turned into.
Still, Meowscarada has some redeeming qualities. The mask, the weird grass cape, the flower around its neck and the flower bomb gimmick that makes it pass as being an intended humanoid, not a forced one like with Cinderace and Quaquaval.
Like decidueye being an owl with a cape that shoots feathers, Meowscarada is a bipedal cat with the features of Zorro or the gay one from the three musketeers.

Inteleon & Quaquaval
I don't know where you got the version of my list you quoted from, but I'd never let them pass.
Look at my post again on another device, they should be on the right side where they belong.
Intelleon is a guy in a suit. I know, Bongland, James Bond, Yada Yada, but thats just poorly executed. It's also obvioulsy based on Gex the gecko, but executed in the dumbest way possible.
While i don't hate it, there's nothing about the design thats creative or appealing in any way. If it would be cut from the dex forever tomorrow, i wouldn't even remember it existed.

Quaquaval on the other hand is an abhorrant abomination that screams "trans rights for Grusha" at a faggot parade
"Kill me". Even a humanoid duck that clearly resembles donald duck could evolve into something badass, like a stronk sailor duck beating the shit out of everything in Spain. Instead, gamefreak has brought us this gay dancer
that looks like an anime version of donald in a full body suit with useless ornaments and those painful red toes (?)

If you look at every duck pokemon and Donald, from most animal, to most human-like, Quaquaval looks more human-like
than Donald Duck, who acts antropomorphic in the movies, while our flaming faggot duck only says its name.

normal duck_______Ducklett line____Psyduck line______Quaxly___Donald Duck______Quaquaval_____human

Doesn't look like a human to me, it's a buff elemental animal on two legs like blastoise, blaziken and feraligatr

The thing stretching it to me the most is the size of his head. The pre-evolutions had bigger heads, and kalos was the generation of big cartoonish heads, look at Litleo and the electric lizard, while the final forms head seems too small for it's body. Agree on the wand part.

Hisuian Typhlosion
Interesting take. Never looked at it that way.
It clearly has the mannerisms of a stoner tho.

That's a weird one. I'm still ambiguous what to think about it's design and it being so widely loved by people all over the world is off to me. Ingame, it crouches like a ninja when it does not attack, that's pretty cool.
The weird "pointing in the air" he's doing when attacking is uncanny.
I won't look up fetish art of greninja. I mean, there is fart fetish art about the bat from sonic in a bondage suit done and posted by a kiwifarms member. Not having fur doesn't disqualify a fictional character from being sexualised by perverts online. The ash greninja fusion was weird and shouldn't have happened.
Also he would have ended up limbless for living in France as a frog.

Skeledirge
How do you see it as humanoid because of it's mannerisms? It looks like a normal crocodile that happens to be a singer.
It has this one trait you cant even see when it doesn't pull out the mike. It's clothes are not that obvious and integrated into the design like with Empoleon.
Remember the Sawk and Throw debate we had somewhat earlier this year and then imagine if the 'dirge would look like this
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Chesnaught- The execution here just sucks dick. If this thing is supposed to be a glyptodon, I really can't see it. There's no reason for it to be standing this straight, nor for its arms to be this thin, and the tacked-on beard just makes things worse.
How dare you insulting mah buddy grass hedgehog, blaze it to the extreme
The limbs are not well proportioned, i give you a point on this. But the design is way more beast-like than some you made pass, like the hisuian decidueye. The pic @Friendly Primarina posted earlier shows how it could be.
It would definitely profit from being designed as quadrupedal. I have something for da bulky fella, how it's set up to use Spiky shield is cool and the shell it has on it's back. It doesn't look tough but like a cereal mascot.
Way too monstrous to be too humanoid tho.

Primarina- I know this doesn't look too human in stature, but everything about this design screams "man-made" like neither a selkie nor a seal ever should. There's no reason for this thing to have a tied mane with pearl beads, no reason for the tiara-like protrusion from its head, no reason for it to have eyelashes and a humanoid face. Even the extremely humanoid focus on singing only gets a pass because it's literally based on creatures that use vocals to lure sailors into danger... but those creatures are also part-human, so it doesn't really defeat my point here. If they wanted to make a selkie, they should've either gone all out (like what they did with Mr Mime or Jynx in terms of human faces) or stuck closer to the animal inspiration instead of doing this weird in-between.

You know about the bull centaur trope? The design choice of a creature with a lower body of a horse like a centaur but a humanoid ox-like upper body instead of a human one. Primarina is an example of a bull centaur design, where you take a fantasy creature and add an animal or another fictional creature on top to make it more unique.
Primarina as a seal/mermaid hybrid does'nt look like a human at first sight, unlike Quaquaval and intelleon.
It's the same with Skeledirge, it's a singing animal that mimicks human gesture. I don't like the design much because i had higher hopes for Popplio, but cmon even Glameow and Purugly had features of rich human women, or look at Kricketune. Primarene has many flaws but it's not bottom tier humanoid fursuit shit like the other mons in the too human looking category.

I have nothing to add about
Cinderace and Incineroar
those are literally the exhibit A of how to mess up everything when creating a starter pokemon.

It heavily depends on how high your expectations were, how your preferences for other media are and how the first impressions you had when seeing the first form were.

Okay, thats enough autism for today.
 
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I had to look this one up because I didn't remember it at all, and holy shit, fucking really, GF?

I'd like to apologize to Oranguru for calling it out-of-place earlier. Hell, I almost want to apologize to Cinderace. It even has the defined legs I criticized Cinderace so hard for earlier, too.
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