Fandom standards tossed out the window - Whatever happened to "Be an anime fan, not a weeb" & "Be a furry, not a furfag/furvert"?

[neurotardvirgin]

Let me preface this thread by taking a step back: dunno if it's just me; it could just be nostalgia goggles or obliviousness to the greater picture of things while I was younger - and perhaps it was always this bad/if not worse?

But I feel like there used to be a differentiating schism/line between anime fans/furries that brought decent or otherwise subversive (without getting into histrionic modes) output to the table while remaining within an acceptable threshold of etiquette, and the 'bad ones' who - while were at a far greater multitude + infamously more obnoxious/cringe/toxic than the bad apples of other nerd communities; were still widely unpopular/filtered within their very own ballparks.

You might've been that asocial, mildly autismo dork who had intrinsically lame hobbies and watched/played/drew Pokemon well through your teen years, probably had odd slip ups here and here; and wasn't good at keeping a cohesive conversational flow - but at least you weren't Timmy the dandruff-dispensing, foam-drooling SPEDlord who Naruto ran with a dangling rainbow tail buttplug down the halls while making weird noises and 'tackleglomping' people he looked up to; infodumping about Solatorobo diaper cum inflation smut to every poor bystander on sight.

Take for example; remember organic palettes vs neonvomit sparkledogs? And on the anime side - I remember "weaboo" being an -extremely- dishonorable term that nobody in the right mind would want to be called. Even 'otaku' was still within iffy territory back in the late 00's if memory serves right.

Now it seems like both respective communities have largely been overruled by screeching retards who wear ahegao shit IRL, plastering loli shit whereever they can get away with it - while wearing 'weeb' as a badge of honor. 'Furvert' has been wiped from the dictionary since ~2015ish or so. And most everyone is a fake plastic SanrioVomit dumpsterfire nowadays. You can't even call it out without getting your points derailed with a million layers of 'le irony', people crying 'le gatekeeper!!!!!1111' or otherwise being smeared/reframed as some strain of "LGBTQphobic/ableist/unfun/prude/etc."

Even many oldfag detractors against lowbrow degeneracy have effectively been groomed into (or otherwise disarmed into indifference by) ironypoisoning - as nobody wants to be labeled as 'the lame one out who takes things too seriously.'

So - whatever the fuck happened?

 

[MoonMare]

This ironyposting trend is one of the most gay, lame things about the modern internet, it's just that stupid "I'm so cool I don't care" thing future faggots did in middle school, but it's unironic adults spouting this shit.
The Internet has gone to shit, that's what's causing it, morons admiring morons because they have a million followers on tiktok. It's only going to get worse.

 

[LavenderMenace]

Its just the times now. People used to be in separate communities because social media sites weren’t popular, closed in forums, etc.

I remember in the past when gamers who played American produced games like CoD, Counter Strike, and God of War used to dislike or even hate anime! If you came onto a server with an anime pfp, you’d get called a cringe anime loving faggot and other slurs.

Furries were mainly was about anthro art and such. Hell there was a group called “The Burned Furs” that shunned gay furries and furries who made porn.

It’s all about how more people have access to the internet, and how social media like Reddit has made the degenerate holes easier to enter.

People used to only use the computer for email, word docs, and research. Not anymore sadly…..

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Hell there was a group called “The Burned Furs” that shunned gay furries and furries who made porn.

If only those people had won out...

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Anime fans can be okay depending on how they approach anime and what kinds of anime they watch, but there's no excuse for furries, none.

 

[Dread First]

So said a Serbian anon on /pol/ in 2017:

 

[Clovis]

Tolerance has been a cancer on society since the perverts dialled it up to 11 and started branding anyone who resists as some sort of 'phobe. That's quite clear at a macro level, so out in the microbiomes of fandom I think the deleterious effects of "tolerance" are bound to be concentrated. As OP says, ppl have become scared of being called intolerant or a gatekeeper, nerd social fallacies and all that. We need to normalise saying "fuck off, retard" again.

I'm a busy wage slave so not involved in fandom or niche communities anymore. I just observe them in passing, or via what shows up on the farms. But I suspect its the platforms that are the problem. If any normie on twitter can just wade in with their social media sensibilities it's going to go to shit. Back when you had to discover and learn the idiosyncratic social rules of each newsgroup or forum it was easier to foster a community where people were allowed to say "fuck off, retard" for the greater good.

And yeah, people were talking about the decline and fall of fandom since I was a youngster being told "fuck off, retard" on usenet. The old paper zines and conventions nerds spoke of the Eternal September in online communities. Now my generation chunter on about web1.0 and how it was better in our day. But I don't think it's rose-tinted spectacles, I think people and communities are just getting progressively more retarded.

But on a more optimistic note, I think we're starting to see society coming to it's senses and rejecting the cult of tolerance as its just tolerance of perverts and low-social-value scum. So hopefully we'll see the same effect in the micro-cultures of fandoms.
Surely things can only get so dumbed down before people want to rebuild better, more meaningful communities again? Or am I just describing some sort of intellectual dark web rennaisance of fandom here?

 

[TapewormSalesman]

So said a Serbian anon on /pol/ in 2017:

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Let's be real, he was still fucking that toaster in the privacy of his own home, the only difference is that nobody would know unless he got electrocuted while doing so. You ask the elders enough, you're eventually gonna hear tales about whatever wacky degenerate was prominent in the community.
Not saying that the internet isn't amplifying this, by letting them make their fetish their whole personality, but kinda getting tired of people acting as if before it came around, the world was some sort of utopia where no sex pests existed whatsoever. Hell, just look at all those blueberry inflation fetishists that came from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, shit came out in '71, it was decades before they could gather on the internet.

 

[Pedophobe]

I blame fake geek girl. Nothing wrong with geek girls but they will never be more than about 2% of the geek population. Everyone else is a poseur who just wants to collect funko-pops and daydream about sodomy.

Horny men let fake geek girls into their communities, the girls invited the gays because they felt more comfortable around them than the far-right incels, and the gays normalized being an open degenerate to the point it's considered weird not to flaunt and idolize your most perverted notions in front of everybody all the time.

Remember in some circles "fandom" is literally a synonym for "gay porn written for and by women".

 

[Clovis]

Mrs Clovis wouldn't mind me saying that she's a well-socialised, normal-passing Fujoshi. I think she's one of the last self-aware generation of women who fetishise nominally-gay-male-characters-who-are-really-analogues-of-women, without becoming pooners and larping it IRL.

It occurs to me that fandoms like Starwars, used to be a broad church and benefitted from being based around movies from your parents' days and an extended universe of books and fannish shit created by fans for fans - now the dumbed down woke pabulum of the latest films has flooded the fannish spaces with dumb consoomers. Scifi fandom has always thrown up some witty filks and quality fannish content creators but now the platforms don't support it and the source material doesn't inspire it. We get endless manchildren making MCU critique videos instead.

Which raises the question, where did all the smart fans go?
(Don't actually tell me. I've no interest in a community catering to self-identified smart fans. That presumably would be the bowels of reddit).

 

[Pedophobe]

Further sperging - a big turning point in history was probably the brony movement. It's really sad because as a gender critic the idea that young men could openly enjoy a cartoon aimed at little girls that didn't pander to them but was just well made entertainment impressed me. But for reasons I don't really understand, because I wasn't paying attention, the sexualized furry porn cub guro clopping aspects of their enjoyment quickly rose to the surface and spoiled the whole broth. I guess the show was just too appealing to furries to not be swamped by them, using "legit" boys' interest in something cute and fluffy as cover for their degenerate antics.

I feel like there was a distinct before-and-after period around MLP:FiM where everything since then has been more openly and primarily perverse than it was before.

 

[Law]

So - whatever the fuck happened?

I understand that furry stuff had a pervy element to it from day one.
The first furry con happened in 1989 and was apparently even more "adult oriented" than modern day fur cons, which is honestly a bit frightening.
I think that the problem actually comes from people who treat fandom as an identity.