Total Retard War: Lessons of War - Taking the tactics of Honeycomb.io's Field CTO Liz Fong-Jones and making them available to everyone.

Oh but I can. I just thought of something. Terry A Davis. Out of everything in the Farm's vaults, we are the last site to contain documentation of his last days. And he is quite a hero. A genuis in fact. Cast aside by the medical system and his own family, but not us. Those pages directly after his death contain more sorrow than anything I've ever read. If that's not a reason for keeping the Farms, I don't know what is
A surprising amount of normies have heard of Terry Davis, at least internet using normies.

Most will tell you he was a terrible racist, so it probably isn't a good road to go down, the water is already contaminated. Most won't care that he was schizophrenic, he said the word that must not be said.
 
The more I think about it the more I realize how utterly difficult it is to convince normies to, in any way, support or defend the Farms.

99% of them use Google as their primary source of searching for information, and that is the main problem. Google automatically shows Wikipedia results for searched terms, and that applies to here. So, as soon as any of them try to research, they get instantly hit with the lying article where it repeatedly refers to here as a “harassment website” that doxes a trillion troons a day, and how noble troons defended themselves against the evil Farmers.

Is it truly hopeless?
 
If we're discussing optics of the site I feel like we should focus in on the amalgamation of vice news and regular forum we objectively are. They want to deplatform this site for choking out minority voices (or some shit) when KF is full to the fucking brim of them? What? Take a stroll through the Beauty Parlor or Rat Kings for chrissakes. The LGBTBBQ is not free from critique or discussion, and KF is objectively a safe space for members of the community to discuss and archive problematic elements alongside more mundane commentary. There is jack or shit this site does that any paparazzi rag doesn't also do, fuck's sake they're objectively worse since we've never caused the death of British royalty.
Take me. I'm a Mormon, this weird Christian sect, and on the daily, I'll talk to militant athiests, lesbians, gays, Romanians, jews, black people, it doesn't stop.
A surprising amount of normies have heard of Terry Davis, at least internet using normies.

Most will tell you he was a terrible racist, so it probably isn't a good road to go down, the water is already contaminated. Most won't care that he was schizophrenic, he said the word that must not be said.
I think we have convinced ourselves of that. I think with proper framing, Terry can be rehabilitated. He is the closest the internet has to a Paul Bunyan or a Johnny Appleseed. And we have his records. Currently I'm reading through his thread. There is A LOT to work with. I have confidence I can make it work.
 
If we're going for the court of public opinion thing then maybe Null could do a stream or record a video on the history of the site and what really happened throughout all these events and what he's had to deal with. Retards do not read websites and they just consume content on youtube or whatever, the issue with this is that it wouldn't really be able to go around on youtube because the archive sites will get taken down before any of their videos spread around too much but I don't know if it's worth a shot, maybe if there's evidence for certain events it could be shown alongside audio clips and spread around on tiktok like Null suggested doing for his stream clips since the kinds of things that go viral on tiktok can be pretty out there. It would also probably need to be presented without the nigger/tranny words since it makes it harder to share with others for the nigger cattle but I'm sure that's manageable.
Are you serious? I read my little google news feed daily. Most of its garbage, but if im bored, its something to do. People like articles. You just have to present them properly
I think both of you misunderstand and undervalue the modern attention economy.

The kind of people who use Kiwi Farms, and older-skewing people in general, still read articles. But under-35 normies almost universally don't. They read headlines, especially when they're posted to Reddit, Xitter, or establishment news, but I've seen more than ample evidence that most young people nowadays don't read the actual articles about shit they aren't already invested in. And while I agree with WelperHelper's argument that the 35-60 crowd is important, most people with social influence are in the 20-35 crowd, and since we admittedly don't have a strong messaging infrastructure built, those people are going to be instrumental. They're the broad demographic that made DropKiwifarms happen in the first place. And if we want to win those people over, we need to take advantage of the attention economy.

We need an organized collective of users to brainstorm the most innocuous yet attention-grabbing headlines possible for our articles - probably abstaining from referring to us by name at first (we do that in the first line of the article instead). Those same users spread that shit around Reddit, Xitter, everywhere. People see "Internet Forum Stops Sadist's Plan To Crush Dog", get angry and fuzzy feelings at the same time, then word (gradually) spreads around, as a few people actually click on the article, that the unnamed "internet forum" in the headline was actually Kiwi Farms.

We also need to write scripts for videos, both short-form and long-form, and we need more people willing to give them voiceovers, edit them, and share them across platforms and accounts. They should grab people's attention in the first 10 seconds in the same way as headlines - bring up shocking shit that an internet forum stopped, then reveal that said forum was us. The headlines on Reddit and Xitter prime people to think "hey, this forum seems cool"/"hey, Kiwi Farms isn't all bad", then the videos grab their attention again then go into the extra detail that will actually endear people to us.

This all needs to be decentralized across many users. If we just have a few accounts posting about us, they'll be banned before the message gets across. Eventually, as we do this for several weeks, it'll (hopefully) start to spread organically - established accounts and influencers will start talking about this impossible-to-frame-as-evil good deeds we've done - and from there the message stands on its own.

While a full on Null-narrated documentary could definitely be worth it eventually, it would come a lot later. We need to lead and frame ourselves with the inoccuous stuff, the objective wins. We only get into spinning the more subjective and controversial stuff after the majority of the public is endeared to us.

That's my 2 cents, at least.
 
Once people actually start supplying material, they should ping Crunk and he can make the alternate thread for it.
 
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The more I think about it the more I realize how utterly difficult it is to convince normies to, in any way, support or defend the Farms.

99% of them use Google as their primary source of searching for information, and that is the main problem. Google automatically shows Wikipedia results for searched terms, and that applies to here. So, as soon as any of them try to research, they get instantly hit with the lying article where it repeatedly refers to here as a “harassment website” that doxes a trillion troons a day, and how noble troons defended themselves against the evil Farmers.

Is it truly hopeless?
Not as long as we are willing to fight for it. There is still that 1% that may listen.

Just because most people won't leave the allegorical cave doesn't mean we shouldn't try to convince them.
 
Buddy, the links to the Cogent internal abuse system were posted on this thread. Before it was reposted on /pol/, your users were spamming nigger, Liz Fong Jones is a troon, and other moronic comments on those abuse tickets. If you're trying to make the case that posts on this site don't encourage off site harassment, there's a counter example right there.
It happened with Fredrik Knudsen, it's happened multiple times with 4chan and a number of other forums. This site's userbase cannot ever keep it together when they interact with the rest of the internet and start whining about gay ops and trannies when no one wants to deal with their bullshit.
 
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Not as long as we are willing to fight for it. There is still that 1% that may listen.

Just because most people won't leave the allegorical cave doesn't mean we shouldn't try to convince them.
Trying is all we can do. Josh has done enough on his own. We are part of this site too. We owe it to him to give it our best shot. Even if it means doing what this site really sucks at and acting a bit more coordinated and collected. Either we work together or we fall together.
 
The more I think about it the more I realize how utterly difficult it is to convince normies to, in any way, support or defend the Farms.

99% of them use Google as their primary source of searching for information, and that is the main problem. Google automatically shows Wikipedia results for searched terms, and that applies to here. So, as soon as any of them try to research, they get instantly hit with the lying article where it repeatedly refers to here as a “harassment website” that doxes a trillion troons a day, and how noble troons defended themselves against the evil Farmers.

Is it truly hopeless?
We need to be very creative with a lot of this shit, without a doubt. But I think we can get around it.

A complicated potential I'll throw out: we get a user to start a Youtube channel/series that specifically covers Wikipedia controversies. He starts by talking about famous cases of vandalism and shit like that, then he starts talking about moderator corruption. Once the channel starts to gain traction, then he does a video on Kiwi Farms' Wikipedia page, collaborating with one of the "Kiwi Farms good deeds" tubers. He links that other channel in the description, and that channel can crosspost the video. The guy covering Wikipedia controversies has already built up trust so people are more likely to believe him when he covers the Kiwi Farms Wikipedia page, he directs people to the guy covering Kiwi Farms good deeds to bolster people's opinions now that they're questioning the authenticity of the Wikipedia page, and both channels get a boost in attention. Kiwi Farms good deeds channel continues as usual, Wikipedia guy starts posting videos about both Kiwi Farms and Wikipedia before eventually switching over to Kiwi Farms content himself.

Edit: also, we should probably have the "Kiwi Farms good deeds" tubers diversify their content. Talk about 4chan, Tumblr, and other random internet forums too just to make things seem a bit more natural and less like a propaganda scheme. I think the ultimate goal though is to try and make "Kiwi Farms good deeds" videos become something akin to the Greentext Reading videos that were huge a few years ago - something memetic that ends up spreading naturally, and turns the "lore" of Kiwi Farms into a popular video topic.
 
"Cogent has proven they are willing to enforce their AUP on any content anywhere on the Internet, including content that is not directly on their network"
Read this line very very very carefully, and if you have proof of this, go talk to a lawyer about this exact thing. you could have a "tortious interference" case here.
I mean that can be said about elliot the serial consent accident offender as well, but i'm no fucking lawyer, and I'm guessing expensive lawsuits are something you don't want to do, unless you can find a fellow retard lawyer that will do it pro bono and do it to drain those fuckers' wallets out of spite, and fuck heir plan b" if one does come up, which is to just drain you financially until you give up the suit.
 
99% of them use Google as their primary source of searching for information, and that is the main problem. Google automatically shows Wikipedia results for searched terms
I worked for a company that trained search engine AI and we were specifically taught in our training that most of the time a Wikipedia page should be given the highest possible rating even if it didn't fully meet the needs of the original search query. They use people to train the AI but they micromanage how the people were supposed to evaluate the data and train the system.
 
Most of the gamers are against the site because they beleive it killed Byuu and stopped production of the emulator he made.
Byuu has to be dealt with carefully. While our investigations have gotten CLOSE to showing he's alive... we haven't seen his face since. Which is the FIRST thing they would tell us. And for that we have no response. If we could get a photo, hell a recent audio recording post suicide, that probably would be enough to dispell the myth. Otherwise we're fighting shadows
 
I'm gonna try to AI-gen and Photoshop some profile pictures, banners, et cetera. Will be useful to make our journo and influencer pages feel more professional, and gives them deniability from being recognized if anyone gets suspicious for whatever reason.

Oh yeah, and our news/blog articles should be diversified slightly too, for the same reasons I talked about above. We can probably go with the same angle of "internet lore", just more surface-level stuff since it's aimed at slightly older people.
 
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Byuu has to be dealt with carefully. While our investigations have gotten CLOSE to showing he's alive... we haven't seen his face since. Which is the FIRST thing they would tell us. And for that we have no response. If we could get a photo, hell a recent audio recording post suicide, that probably would be enough to dispell the myth. Otherwise we're fighting shadows
Exactly. And though people disagree with me it is true that if this site gets brought up in league or anything thats what they know of it for that and chris chan.
 
Most of the gamers are against the site because they beleive it killed Byuu and stopped production of the emulator he made.
Most gamers do not give a flying fuck about the shitshow that is backroom emulator spergery and Byuu's thread has done its damndest to disprove every goddamn lie about Byuu's suicide.
While our investigations have gotten CLOSE to showing he's alive...
Whilst I personally think that whether or not Byuu is alive is irrelevant to the question of KF's guilt in the court of public opinion I can't put the autistic blinders up on this one. If we want to continue with the focus on individual liberty and liability KF represents, this site simply cannot be blamed at all for Byuu's life choices, but at the end of the day normies probably won't care. Byuu's still fucking out there. Internet furries pull shit like this all the time. Fucking Albert Temple was pretending to be his own entire friendgroup and girlfriend for 20 fucking years, and that only came out after he actually passed away. Edit: There is no definitive proof of Byuu's death, and any claims that disagree have been thoroughly blown the fuck out. Going by standard internet furry behavior, disappearing digitally after taking some brand image damage is not out of the ordinary, and Byuu is only ordinary in that regard.
 
Exactly. And though people disagree with me it is true that if this site gets brought up in league or anything thats what they know of it for that and chris chan.
I will BEGIN to prepare something, but it will be low priority. Unless rapid significant progress is made in finding his face, the best I can do is prepare a rebuttal. I can't give in good conscience a bold statement that he's alive, because while i think he is, there is a chance he isn't. The best we can get to currently is making the situation look inconclusive

Most gamers do not give a flying fuck about the shitshow that is backroom emulator spergery and Byuu's thread has done its damndest to disprove every goddamn lie about Byuu's suicide.

Whilst I personally think that whether or not Byuu is alive is irrelevant to the question of KF's guilt in the court of public opinion I can't put the autistic blinders up on this one. If we want to continue with the focus on individual liberty and liability KF represents, this site simply cannot be blamed at all for Byuu's life choices, but at the end of the day normies probably won't care. Byuu's still fucking out there. Internet furries pull shit like this all the time. Fucking Albert Temple was pretending to be his own entire friendgroup and girlfriend for 20 fucking years, and that only came out after he actually passed away.
Calm your tism. I told @Markass the Worst id look into it. Hes a friend so i will. But until a body is found, it looks fucking horrendous.
 
Most of the gamers are against the site because they beleive it killed Byuu and stopped production of the emulator he made.
True gamers regularly have gamer moments in which they shout the gamer word (nigger) and hate trannies.
Byuu has to be dealt with carefully. While our investigations have gotten CLOSE to showing he's alive... we haven't seen his face since. Which is the FIRST thing they would tell us. And for that we have no response. If we could get a photo, hell a recent audio recording post suicide, that probably would be enough to dispell the myth. Otherwise we're fighting shadows
Why do we have to prove that he's alive? Stating the fact that they have zero proof of his suicide should be enough to dispell any doubts. They made the allegation, so they have the burden of proof.
 
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