Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[Spellskite]

I'd like to clarify something about GamerGate on 4chan. You could discuss it there, and it was for over a month. And it was the most horrid series of threads ever seen on /v/, and was nothing more than a platform for /pol/ to manipulate /v/ and make it their colony. I don't remember seeing Happy Merchant in such frequency as during GG on 4chan. It left such a dirty taste in my mouth, it wasn't until very recently that I saw that GG was not nearly as bad as their opposition.

So in other words, its removal from 4chan was a good thing. You really don't need them, especially if you want to claim the high ground.

I'd like to remind you that /vp/ was created because people were spamming gore nonstop in pokemon threads on /v/ for weeks. I don't know how much experience you have on /v/, but the board hasn't had effective moderation for years.

Also, there was no real reason to disallow site-wide discussion. Sure, I could understand banning it on /v/, but it was banned on every board (with no notification the users for days), which was probably the worst way for moot to handle this.

 

[Fulda's Gap]

I'd like to remind you that /vp/ was created because people were spamming gore nonstop in pokemon threads on /v/ for weeks. I don't know how much experience you have on /v/, but the board hasn't had effective moderation for years.

Also, there was no real reason to disallow site-wide discussion. Sure, I could understand banning it on /v/, but it was banned on every board (with no notification the users for days), which was probably the worst way for moot to handle this.

It really was the most retarded thing to do from any perspective. No matter how you felt about GG, it was the worst way to handle it.

For good or for bad, these were people discussing censorship in many forms. Again, whether it was only perceived or if it was real is utterly irrelevant at this point.

What Moot did was toss gasoline on the fire.

 

[NQ 952]

It really was the most exceptional thing to do from any perspective. No matter how you felt about GG, it was the worst way to handle it.

For good or for bad, these were people discussing censorship in many forms. Again, whether it was only perceived or if it was real is utterly irrelevant at this point.

What Moot did was toss gasoline on the fire.

In a way, I'd like to think (but know I'm wrong) that this was Moots last hurrah. He knew he was going to relinquish the reigns to someone else, and he wanted to go out with a bang.

 

[Charles A. Woodward]

http://archive.is/dpVQw

 

[Rou]

I'd like to remind you that /vp/ was created because people were spamming gore nonstop in pokemon threads on /v/ for weeks. I don't know how much experience you have on /v/, but the board hasn't had effective moderation for years.

Also, there was no real reason to disallow site-wide discussion. Sure, I could understand banning it on /v/, but it was banned on every board (with no notification the users for days), which was probably the worst way for moot to handle this.

There really was no other board to keep it on, considering it was about video games. In the end, /pol/ kept it going by rebranding it as ShekelShoah and got it off /v/.

It really was the most exceptional thing to do from any perspective. No matter how you felt about GG, it was the worst way to handle it.

For good or for bad, these were people discussing censorship in many forms. Again, whether it was only perceived or if it was real is utterly irrelevant at this point.

What Moot did was toss gasoline on the fire.

It was hardly a discussion. It was more about going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE at those dirty SJW/Jews.

 

[AnOminous]

From what I understand the environment was already a powder keg. Distrust of the "games journalism" scene was building up for years, and as Gamergate revealed it really was pretty much as corrupt as they speculated. The secret GameJournoPros mailing list's response (the "gamers are dead articles" they all shat out and refusal to address the issues with journalistic ethics etc.) may as well have been dumping gasoline onto it.

That was one of the single most flabbergastingly idiotic acts of professional suicide I've ever seen. What was even more shocking is they actually planned it in advance and coordinated it and not one of these mindless jerks thought for one second that maybe taking a giant steaming shit on your entire customer base was maybe not a fantastic idea.

 

[Rou]

That was one of the single most flabbergastingly idiotic acts of professional suicide I've ever seen. What was even more shocking is they actually planned it in advance and coordinated it and not one of these mindless jerks thought for one second that maybe taking a giant steaming shit on your entire customer base was maybe not a fantastic idea.

They don't care about their readers, they only care about signaling to each other.

 

[Fulda's Gap]

It was hardly a discussion. It was more about going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE at those dirty SJW/Jews.

Again, that is irrelevant. It was still an idiotic move by moot.

 

[Rou]

Again, that is irrelevant. It was still an idiotic move by moot.

I disagree. It was probably the only good thing he had done, other than stepping down. /v/ was the worst place to discuss this.

 

[AnOminous]

Again, that is irrelevant. It was still an idiotic move by moot.

moot always hated /pol/lacks even before /pol/ existed. They're why he originally deleted the /n/ board in the first place before caving in and creating /pol/ after the shitstorm that ensued.

 

[Brandobaris]

I'd like to clarify something about GamerGate on 4chan. You could discuss it there, and it was for over a month. And it was the most horrid series of threads ever seen on /v/, and was nothing more than a platform for /pol/ to manipulate /v/ and make it their colony. I don't remember seeing Happy Merchant in such frequency as during GG on 4chan. It left such a dirty taste in my mouth, it wasn't until very recently that I saw that GG was not nearly as bad as their opposition.

So in other words, its removal from 4chan was a good thing. You really don't need them, especially if you want to claim the high ground.

GG eventually had a permanent single thread on /v/ after initially blowing up, in order for people to be able to keep watching the news about it rolling in and discussing it. /pol/ itself had actual digging threads on Chelsea at the time, organizing emails to various advertisers and companies etc.... Once moot was outed as being at least involved somehow with these people and 4chan started making fun of the moderators deleting threads "doing it for free" thats when the shit hit the fan and people started looking towards 8ch.

/v/ Catalogue September 14th 2014

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TFYC Kickstarter page

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moot having rumored close ties to Gawker

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mod/janitor censorship

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[NG 070]

From what I understand the environment was already a powder keg. Distrust of the "games journalism" scene was building up for years, and as Gamergate revealed it really was pretty much as corrupt as they speculated. The secret GameJournoPros mailing list's response (the "gamers are dead articles" they all shat out and refusal to address the issues with journalistic ethics etc.) may as well have been dumping gasoline onto it.

This is so true. One of Larry Bundy Jr.'s videos about gaming journalism scandals (albiet his were mostly rooted in the UK scene) that predated GG proves that corruption and collusion in the industry has long been a thing. Who knows what might have been going on behind the scenes of EGM, GamePro, Game Informer, GameFan, etc. back in the days of the internet before its use became more widespread.

It's just that social media, especially in the last 5 years alone, has been able to bring a lot of that stuff to light. Hell, you could argue people might have started to take notice of the corruption in the industry with the whole firing of Jeff Gerstmann at GameSpot over refusing to give Kane and Lynch a good review, but social media was nowhere near as powerful back then as it is now. The Zoe Post came at just the "right" time (for lack of a better description) for everything to explode.

Like, if this happened maybe 5-6 years ago, Zoe might have been largely able to escape the brunt of the fallout, or it would've been just a footnote in history, like Drivergate (one of LBjr's examples) or even Doritosgate ffs.

 

[AnOminous]

Like, if this happened maybe 5-6 years ago, Zoe might have been largely able to escape the brunt of the fallout, or it would've been just a footnote in history, like Drivergate (one of LBjr's examples) or even Doritosgate ffs.

I don't think it would have blown up as much as it did without the shitstorm caused by moot cucking out.

 

[Fulda's Gap]

moot always hated /pol/lacks even before /pol/ existed. They're why he originally deleted the /n/ board in the first place before caving in and creating /pol/ after the shitstorm that ensued.

I mean, I really can't blame him, there. They are pretty terrible.

 

[Absolutego]

TIt's just that social media, especially in the last 5 years alone, has been able to bring a lot of that stuff to light. Hell, you could argue people might have started to take notice of the corruption in the industry with the whole firing of Jeff Gerstmann at GameSpot over refusing to give Kane and Lynch a good review, but social media was nowhere near as powerful back then as it is now. The Zoe Post came at just the "right" time (for lack of a better description) for everything to explode.

Gerstmann's firing actually gave everyone a brief reprieve, as a bunch of Gamespot and IGN employees jumped ship in the wake of that incident to newer games media sites like Polygon, Kotaku and GiantBomb. Many gamers followed them there, hoping things would get better if journalists were less reliant on games publishers for revenue. It was when the content put out by those journalists continued to be utter shit (just utter shit directed against the mainstream industry rather than shilling for it) that tensions rose so high.

 

[Jaimas]

http://archive.is/dpVQw

You know, people would be less fucking prone to talk about Quinn's supporters in conspiratorial tones if they weren't nigh-constantly doing everything and then some to bury shit when they get caught. Interestingly, all attempts by the Zoe Quinn Ministry of Truth seem to be achieving the opposite effect as evidenced by the edit logs, and all indication is that the Internet Autism Machine has dug in for a solid fight that Quinn's supporters, despite best efforts, aren't winning right now.

I disagree. It was probably the only good thing he had done, other than stepping down. /v/ was the worst place to discuss this.

While I'm no fan of /pol/, trying to potentially stop the flood of /pol/ content on /v/ wasn't the reason they instituted the ban, no matter what m00tykins and his appointed mods say. Everyone knows what it really was because it was the same reason we had the shitty mods that fagged up almost every active board appointed and saw several boards get subdivided against the wishes of the userbase. That mod for /d/ in @Brandobaris' post is telling the truth.

They wanted control, and they wanted to lock down the site, and they didn't care that they had to essentially fuck over everyone to make it happen. There's a reason that the response to m00t leaving was an almost-unanimous "nothing of value was lost."

I mean, I really can't blame him, there. They are pretty terrible.

You read like a Chan vet, so I'm gonna tell you something you already know: the reason boards like /b/ and /pol/ exist, despite being fucking shit, is twofold. One is that periodically they can actually offer something useful to a situation, if rarely. The other, far more important reason, however, is containment. The staff wants it right where an eye can be kept on it in case it starts getting into trouble, and the best way to ensure that an ornery group of assholes doesn't go and asshole it up on another board is to give them a spot to be assholes. The effect is two-fold; it gives them a space to say their peace and it can be easily monitored to forewarn against problems, effectively helping to keep the odds of a major happening down just by existing and making it less likely that members will be quietly formenting their shit where it can't be kept tabs on.

This is the same reason that Reddit allows KotakuInAction, and why Randi Harper fought against having it removed despite hating everything involved with it - they want it where they can keep an eye on it.

 

[I-chi]

You know, people would be less fucking prone to talk about Quinn's supporters in conspiratorial tones if they weren't nigh-constantly doing everything and then some to bury shit when they get caught. Interestingly, all attempts by the Zoe Quinn Ministry of Truth seem to be achieving the opposite effect as evidenced by the edit logs, and all indication is that the Internet Autism Machine has dug in for a solid fight that Quinn's supporters, despite best efforts, aren't winning right now.



While I'm no fan of /pol/, trying to potentially stop the flood of /pol/ content on /v/ wasn't the reason they instituted the ban, no matter what m00tykins and his appointed mods say. Everyone knows what it really was because it was the same reason we had the shitty mods that fagged up almost every active board appointed and saw several boards get subdivided against the wishes of the userbase. That mod for /d/ in @Brandobaris' post is telling the truth.

They wanted control, and they wanted to lock down the site, and they didn't care that they had to essentially fuck over everyone to make it happen. There's a reason that the response to m00t leaving was an almost-unanimous "nothing of value was lost."



You read like a Chan vet, so I'm gonna tell you something you already know: the reason boards like /b/ and /pol/ exist, despite being fucking shit, is twofold. One is that periodically they can actually offer something useful to a situation, if rarely. The other, far more important reason, however, is containment. The staff wants it right where an eye can be kept on it in case it starts getting into trouble, and the best way to ensure that an ornery group of assholes doesn't go and asshole it up on another board is to give them a spot to be assholes. The effect is two-fold; it gives them a space to say their peace and it can be easily monitored to forewarn against problems, effectively helping to keep the odds of a major happening down just by existing and making it less likely that members will be quietly formenting their shit where it can't be kept tabs on.

This is the same reason that Reddit allows KotakuInAction, and why Randi Harper fought against having it removed despite hating everything involved with it - they want it where they can keep an eye on it.

It works in theory, but /pol/ has been bleeding over a lot more into /v/ since this whole spectacular began on a near daily basis; not even when GG was coming up. One hopes an actual closure to the situation gives them the message to fuck off back to their ovens so people can just talk about vidya again.

 

[FatNero]

You know, people would be less fucking prone to talk about Quinn's supporters in conspiratorial tones if they weren't nigh-constantly doing everything and then some to bury shit when they get caught. Interestingly, all attempts by the Zoe Quinn Ministry of Truth seem to be achieving the opposite effect as evidenced by the edit logs, and all indication is that the Internet Autism Machine has dug in for a solid fight that Quinn's supporters, despite best efforts, aren't winning right now.



While I'm no fan of /pol/, trying to potentially stop the flood of /pol/ content on /v/ wasn't the reason they instituted the ban, no matter what m00tykins and his appointed mods say. Everyone knows what it really was because it was the same reason we had the shitty mods that fagged up almost every active board appointed and saw several boards get subdivided against the wishes of the userbase. That mod for /d/ in @Brandobaris' post is telling the truth.

They wanted control, and they wanted to lock down the site, and they didn't care that they had to essentially fuck over everyone to make it happen. There's a reason that the response to m00t leaving was an almost-unanimous "nothing of value was lost."



You read like a Chan vet, so I'm gonna tell you something you already know: the reason boards like /b/ and /pol/ exist, despite being fucking shit, is twofold. One is that periodically they can actually offer something useful to a situation, if rarely. The other, far more important reason, however, is containment. The staff wants it right where an eye can be kept on it in case it starts getting into trouble, and the best way to ensure that an ornery group of assholes doesn't go and asshole it up on another board is to give them a spot to be assholes. The effect is two-fold; it gives them a space to say their peace and it can be easily monitored to forewarn against problems, effectively helping to keep the odds of a major happening down just by existing and making it less likely that members will be quietly formenting their shit where it can't be kept tabs on.

This is the same reason that Reddit allows KotakuInAction, and why Randi Harper fought against having it removed despite hating everything involved with it - they want it where they can keep an eye on it.

Holy fuck who is PeterTheFourth on that wiki discussion?

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

Wasn't there supposed to be a leak of their project management software's logs/info this weekend?

 

[Brandobaris]

Holy fuck who is PeterTheFourth on that wiki discussion?

If it was Peter Coffin I'd laugh