Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion


BOMBSHELL: Arestovich essentially calls Ukrainians to remove Zelensky and make peace with Russia!

He says, pro Russian structures are formed in Europe and it’s stupid to fight.

Also he says, the Russian president was super pro western but was betrayed by the west!
 
You forgot to mention that one time the Poles were dumb enough to enter the Kremlin, were besieged, had to resort to cannibalism and eventually surrendered in disgrace and had to slink back to Poland with their tails between their legs.

The only biggest military achievement for Poland is stopping the kebabs at the Siege of Vienna.

And now there are probably more kebabs in Poland than after Siege of Vienna.

All for globohomo.
 
Why is Poland supporting ukraine again?

Because Poles see Ukrainians as their niggers and if anyone is going to be slapping around Ukrainians, its going to be Poles. Russians are certainly not going to be allowed to do it.
One of the first things re-created Poland tried to do after the first world war was march into Ukraine and make it theirs.
The Poles always view things with a map from the 1500s in their head.
 
I can also see more and more defecting. They have to come to this conclusion if they're not ideologically too far gone: Fight for Ukraine, maybe even win a battle or two, then get sent to the next until you die. Fight for Russia. Have a chance of getting out of there alive since at some point you WILL be victorious.
I've never seen any of the pro-UKR people ever describe how exactly the life of the average person will change after Russia wins or if Ukraine had just remained neutral to begin with. What are we talking about, new driver's licenses for everybody that look different? What else? They act like Putin is bringing the gulags and death squads back.
 
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I've never seen any of the pro-UKR people ever describe how exactly the life of the average person will change after Russia wins or if Ukraine had just remained neutral to begin with. What are we talking about, new driver's licenses for everybody that look different? What else? They act like Putin is bringing the gulags and death squads back.
Oh, I've seen it plenty of times. They usually claim that Russians will literally kill everyone in Ukraine, and any suggestions that maybe if the Russians wanted to do that, they'd start with the several million Ukrainians that moved to Russia after the start of the war, are met with autistic screeching. I'm assuming it's projection.
 
I've never seen any of the pro-UKR people ever describe how exactly the life of the average person will change after Russia wins or if Ukraine had just remained neutral to begin with. What are we talking about, new driver's licenses for everybody that look different? What else? They act like Putin is bringing the gulags and death squads back.

The general belief is that the EU is going to pay all their bills for them and give them passports through which they can get out of Ukraine to any country in Europe. Since independence, Ukraine has functioned with complete financial irresponsibility. They want to spend government money without limit and not pay any taxes. They also believe that government money is just there to be stolen.

For much of the 2010s, the country has been in a perpetual financial crisis. The international community knows that they are corrupt, irresponsible shithole which will steal whatever cash they have on hand. So for years, they used a carrot (small packets of money delvered over time) and stick (the threat of bankruptcy) approach to get Ukraine to act slightly less financially crazy. But Ukraine really hates that system. The think that once they in the EU, that money will flow like water into Ukraine and that nobody will be able to tell them what to do anymore. They will all be rich. And they will have to do nothing at all in exchange.

Another group of Ukrainians just wants out of the country and sees EU granted passports as their road to getting out in a better way than they can now. Because alot of the smarter people there know that their best hope is getting out of Ukraine for somewhere else.

As far as NATO goes, the Ukrainian belief is that NATO membership means (a) More free money and (b) that they will be able to pursue a completely insane foreign policy backed up by the threat of the US firing nuclear weapons at whoever they are fighting with. They have long-standing grudges against every country that borders Ukraine including specifically Poland.

In short, they think NATO/EU membership will mean an endless river of money flowing into Ukraine and make all their problems (financial/political/international/military) someone elses problem to solve allowing them to get on with their lives. If that seems stupid and naive, it is.
 
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To get at the Russians for historical butthurt. That's literally it. They hate Russia more than they love their own countries. They used to have something (Rzeczpospolita, Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, Finnish Grand Duchy, etc.) and now they have nothing but the egos of disgraced empires and the earthshatterring buttfucking mad salty loser disposition because they all got owned by people they consider to be subhuman retarded orks at one point or another.

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If Russia wins this, and it most likely will, this attitude will spread to all of NATO and US. Imagine making fun of your opponent and making them out to be these barely sapient backwards, barbarian, unwashed, slug people armed with shovels and then you fucking lose to them despite your superior ways and your amazing wonder waffles. Does terrible things to one's feeling of self-worth.

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One could argue that this would be their "hit rock bottom, get your head out of your ass and come to Jesus moment", but they are too retarded and too un-self-aware to do that. They'll just double down and try this shit again in another... 10-20 years? In a generation or two? In a century?
There are no words to express the amount of loathing I have for the to-the-last-man keyboard warriors, as they all invariably shit their pants and run when it's their turn to die. Hell, we got at least one fitting the description on this very site!
 
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When people say ARs are comfortable to shoot, what they're really saying is that the mag eject button and selector switch is easy to reach. Nothing else is really all that incredibly comfortable.
Real vatnik posts here. The only real issue with ergonomics that the AR 15 has is the awkward charging handle and the questionable forward assist that the military imposes on it due to said charging handle. It could be more ambidextrous but it is a light, light recoiling rifle due to the direct gas impingement (saving weight and removing reciprocating mass out of the system due to a lack of dedicated gas piston) being accurate due to the ability to free float the barrel, and many good attachment surfaces for gear. You are correct that people get too comfortable with AR15s, but they were and still are very ergonomic compared to many other rifles.

The issue with C gripping is that combat isn't either a shooting match or a paintball match. You are generally hiding low to the ground or have the rifle propped up against cover in a firefight. It is awkward to hold in such a grip so soldiers would prefer verticle foregrips over faster target aquisition that gripping can give when highly trained.

But to continue with my necro autism: the new M5 rifle is just a weapon platform to fight the last war: soldiers would have loved weapon if this was used against Taliban fighters who would stand outside effective M4 ranges and shoot harrassment fire for extended periods of time, shifting fire team positions to mitigate American air/artillary support. But that fight probably won't happen in again in our lifetime and now they have heavier harder to shoot guns so there will be no end to soldiers bitching about the new rifle.

I think the optic is fantastic, the gun is nice for what they wanted it to be, but the ammo is retarded: extremely high pressure composite material ammo to make something that is barely not a battle rifle perform like a battle rifle.
 
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The Netherlands no longer has an army. The entire army has been integrated into the German Bundeswehr. The three sort-of brigades of the army have all been integrated into German Divisions under effective German command. I also believe that they sold off every single tank the army possessed many years ago. Even inside the Netherlands so-called mechanized brigade, the armored sub-unit is a Bundeswehr unit.

The army (like many in Europe) is a joke and a total waste of money. Spending more money on it will accomplish nothing whatsoever.
 
If I was Russia I'd leak that I intend to bait them into a counterattack that's a misdirection, making them needlessly waste resources shoring up their defenses while hopefully spooking them enough to prevent them from launching a preemptive attack for stupid reasons.
 
God please, yes. Why can't Zelensky just go the fuck away and end this stupid war already? At this point, people are dying for nothing.
The army (like many in Europe) is a joke and a total waste of money. Spending more money on it will accomplish nothing whatsoever.
True. Denmark for example got lambasted for not spending more money on military equipment despite the school, healthcare, and eldercare system being severely underfunded.

This has led to the announcement that Nordic countries will now have American soldiers stationed in them for "better access to Eastern Europe."

Considering Finland is bordering right next to Russia, it screams possible escalation.

It may also cause local problems since the soldiers won't be beholden to the countries' laws, and will be persecuted by the American justice system.
 
Parts about Austria and Hungary making some psuedo state on the side of Russia is just nonsense. Both nations and cultures are so divergent from each other that it was a huge problem during the empire, let alone 100 years later. Hungary, Austria, Slovakia, Poland and the Czech Republic alternate between being on the same page in countering delusional Atlanticist policies only for one of the gaggle to suddenly go full tilt towards them. Also, Hungary is largely being contrarian just to force the EU into giving them more gibs, Hungary isn't fully infected with globalist shitheels so there is a bit of rationality in their politics, its always been best to play the ends against the middle and Hungary has been doing the right thing such as refusing to fully close off Russia. The energy implications for a land locked state to do so is grave. The part where he talks about Putin and the St. Petersburg faction being pro-Western is 100% true.
 
The Biden Administration Is Quietly Shifting Its Strategy in Ukraine
For two years, Biden and Zelenskyy have been focused on driving Russia from Ukraine. Now Washington is discussing a move to a more defensive posture.

With U.S. and European aid to Ukraine now in serious jeopardy, the Biden administration and European officials are quietly shifting their focus from supporting Ukraine’s goal of total victory over Russia to improving its position in an eventual negotiation to end the war, according to a Biden administration official and a European diplomat based in Washington. Such a negotiation would likely mean giving up parts of Ukraine to Russia.

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The Ukrainians have been on the defensive since September. They didn't go on the defensive by choice, but rather because they no longer have the ability to do anything else. Even their ability to hold on the defensive has become increasing questionable. The Russians are on the offensive almost all the way along the line. More and more they are having to use their limited forces in firefighting operations at various points along the line. But as they strengthen one point (for example avdiivka), other points weaken (see the increasingly troubling situation at Robotyne).

Their only hope for improving the situation at this point would be to shorten the line through withdrawals. But there is a very serious danger in doing that. The first is that withdrawal under fire is going to be difficult and the second is that if they withdraw from certain points (like Adiivka) that are key Russian goals for the war, its going to change the war on the other side. The Russians are going to be able to concentrate their own forces offensively in a way they can't do right now.

As far as negotiations go, it would be necessary at this point for the US to agree to all the territorial changes which have occurred since 2014, Ukraine would agree not go into NATO and Ukraine would have to sign up to a number of cultural concessions on language and religion. Ukraine's views at this point have become irrelivent.
 
I can also see more and more defecting. They have to come to this conclusion if they're not ideologically too far gone: Fight for Ukraine, maybe even win a battle or two, then get sent to the next until you die. Fight for Russia. Have a chance of getting out of there alive since at some point you WILL be victorious.
Russians basically emptying out their prison population. Young recruits signing up for some fun kills since attribution of war for Russia is significant lower than Ukranians.
 
How honest do Russians rate their news companies and schools? I'm unders the impression that due to very painful lessons learned from the USSR the country places very high importance on journalistic integrity, even on unfortunate details.
Not at all.
People stopped watching tv cause its either propaganda or like 4 sitcoms with jokes usually about sex. Same with internet sources, but since roskomnadzor is bad at being the ministry of truth, online publications are split into pro/anti edinaya rossiya propaganda with a few tidbits of actual news inbetween.
Atleast we dont got Kardashians.
 
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