Orbiter The Thorp Family / The Thorps / Grace Thorp / @gracemthorp / Ben/Benjamin Thorp / Ben Thorp aka Abel / @BenThorpAbel / Cortney Thorp / Thorpotokos - A true internet trashfire from beyond the depths of the griftosphere, "I love fondling my children" - Ben, "Stephen Crowders wife abused him" - Grace, "I'm more deranged than you are" - Courtney, "based and thorppilled"

[Axiom.]

Ben Thorp has been arrested for violating the no contact order, again, and out on bail, again.​

Why he was given one in the first place

This is the best summary of their relationship.

Bens Arrest soon after - Link
Out on Bail - Link
The no contact order being placed - Link
Evidence that the no contact order was broken soon after - Link 1, Link 2, Link 3
Bens arrest (again) - Link
Out on Bail, again - Link

Ben admits to committing incest against his own daughter, Grace Thorp.

Here's something to crush your spirit, Ben and Grace's mother Courtney before the trashfire


The following was written before the arrest. Nobody knows what will happen to Grace, but now both of them are in the chopping block of the law.

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Make sure to go through the archivers instead so to not feed anything to their irrelevant channels

Benjamin Thorp, Grace Thorp and Courtney Thorp are a family that gained infamy through showcasing their dysfunctionality.
What makes them so interesting is not the streams themselves is what goes behind the scenes, they try portray themselves as right leaning conservatives with a heavy influence of Christianity but all things are much darker than they are. They are the epitome of why grifting is never a substitute for human decency.

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Background​

The history of the Thorps is a mystery but Ben has had a rich history going back to at least 20 years. Not much was known about Courtney other than she graduated from Penn University and claims by Grace to have helped Ben at his restaurant when he owned it but Ben has a much darker history.

Ben alleges all these accomplishments about himself by era

• He has Masters Degree of Theology by William and Mary law school and studied university at Boston College (Before / After meeting Courtney)
  • William and Mary are is a prestigious college that first former presidents graduated from
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  • He is not among the alumni list at Boston College
• He was a former real estate agent yet no license was uncovered (After Courtney)
• He was a former catholic school teacher at Bishop Hendricken High School (Grace was an infant/toddler)
  • The school is infamous in terms of sexual assaults at a highschool and a teacher was even fired for blowing the whistle on one
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• He said he is an AirBnB rental manager but no listing was giving on the address other than what was posted on redfin

• He ran his own restaurant but mentioned in a Destiny interview he hated the staff and the business was running low

• Ben closed down the restaurant with no updates given

• The reality was that Ben didn't file his yearly earnings report and so his LLC was revoked

Ben has had numerous experiences with law disputes in the past, namely they were against him, one wasn't.

• Ben Thorp vs Lidia Zerie - Eviction
  
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• Discover Card v. Ben Thorp - Debt
  
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• PORTFOLIO RECOVERY ASSOCIATES v. Ben Thorp - Debt? They are scam artists
  
  
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• JH CX LIQUIDATING TRUST, ASSIGNEE OF JH PORTFOLIO DEBT EQUITIES LLC v. Ben Thorp - Debt

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He is now currently a grifter along with Grace and Courtney. As it stands from the status of their channels, why would anyone pay attention to them? They barely upload and their streams are about 3 - 4 hours long of only dead air content? The problem with the Thorps isn't their streams but rather what goes on outside of them. They have developed a cult following from debating and archived Discord calls from the likes of Shamoo

Shamoo is one of their biggest archivers. He mentioned during his interview at the Killstream where he revealed that they would stream on Discord for 5 hours a day just fighting with each other.

Interview

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Spoiler: Timestamps and Extra Points

3:05 - How Shamoo found them, Courtney Corner / Kino Korner and Mr Deadman, one of their first orbiters

• All the drama is on discord calls and started the archives

4:09 - How Grossly found them, Whoremaxxer

• Whoremaxxer is also infamous online figure who is also thread material on his own
• Gave the info to Kino Korner, the genesis of Shamoo

5:32 - All the incest allegations came out because of John, Bens son and Grace's brother
6:13 - Shamoo alleges Ben has Bipolar Disorder and when manic will go on his tirades
7:50 - Grossly said it was common that Grace and Ben sext and will play it off as a joke
28:52 - Shamoo claims Ben had an open investigation about child endangerment
29:20 - Shamoo claims Ben blasted through a lot of money to get Youtube Famous
30:54 - Shamoo claims that Ben gave Andrew Wilson 1k to go on his show

• Ben is apparently drained of money to blowing on things he doesn't need and his grift

34:00 - Courtney was slapped by Ben that it broke her glasses
43:22 - Shamoo claims Ben is unemployed and desperate for money
52:11 - Ben is a sexual deviant because he sends bulge pics to many girls that he can
54:04 - Ben hates people stream sniping him
58:14 - Grace argues with Andrew Wilson
- Apparently, he is equally a sperg

Points made
Grossly thought Grace was a hooker and this was unreal at first
Shamoo and Grossly archive everything about them and is in their private discord
They confirm that their discord is popular only due to trolling and mass archiving

These are all their channels as of this moment
Bens channel

(Youtube Link)

Graces channel

(Youtube Link)

Courtneys channel (Inactive)

(Youtube Link)

Not much was known of Grace’s childhood and Bens marriage to Courtney. It can be inferred later on that during their marriage it became tumultuous that resulted in a divorce. It was revealed by many archivers though that Ben was not only their main parental figure but also groomed Grace and would brainwash them into hating Courtney.
Revealed by John, Grace's slightly younger brother to Darius, Grace's on again / off again boyfriend during their conversation. How Grace treated this was burning Darius's clothes on livestream.

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Spoiler: Summarized Call

1:46 - The bean start to spill
11:29 - Ben audio of talking about blowjobs to Grace's younger sister

John confirms Ben was grooming Grace
Grace and Ben were sleeping on the same bed together when Grace was 16
Confirms Grace and Ben were sexting - The same allegation that Ben hates talking about
Grace says it's only emotionally incestious and it's common to talk about and joke about
Confirms Ben has Freudian slips
John was reached out by Destiny and various others but can't handle telling how dysfunction family is
John had to 500 dollars of rent and had to take care of his younger brothers as well
John was invited to the Killstream but declined
Confirms that Ben blows money
Confirms Ben brainwashes his children to hate Courtney
Confirms Ben is horrendously mentally ill and Ben actually hates Christianity

After said conversation, Grace left Darius and burned his clothes leading to the slap clip later on in the OP

Only through a few blurbs here and there by Grace herself detailing some of her childhood. They are best summarized as Grace and Ben blaming Courtney for being a terrible mother and leaving Ben to do all the work and making money.

Spoiler: Clips of Grace talking about her childhood

However, this is how he treats Courtney when she's present to their livestreams. He demonstrates his psychological and emotionally abuse, often degrading her and being blamed for the divorce.

Legitimately how she treats her mother on stream is no better

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Courtney has little to no history that was archived other than she was married to Ben had children with him, helped Ben with his restaurant, and helped raise all 6 of their children. She was discord streamer herself and this the only thing that you can come away with.

Her streams became more ominous and less about her, these photos and music are on repeat for hours on end.

Courtney went offline and became inactive across social media, she had a mental breakdown and separated herself from Ben and kept their children. Her whereabouts are currently unknown and often said it was to start a new life. Currently there is no archive of the call in its entirety

Sample

In the Destiny interview, Ben revealed why Courtney left the family, take this at your own will.

Spoiler: Clip

Meanwhile, Ben is an Internet livestreamer himself and is often the source of ridicule for most people due to his tough guy persona and grifting off the alt right/current online /pol/ conservatism.

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He frequently debates people but often quits and has been known to drag on his stances. Often failing because whenever a serious question gets asked, he shifts the topic or outright never delves into it. This is central to the increased infamy of the Thorps, they have been talked to and debated:

• Andrew Wilson / The Crucible - Lost
• Destiny - Lost, Multiple Times
• Mr. Girl - Interview
• notsoErudite - Draw
• Playing with Fire - Interview / Moderator
• Tom Foolery - Lost
• Stardust - Lost
• Hunter Avallone - Lost
• Modern-Day-Debate Podcast - Lost
• Milo Yiannopoluos - Lost

This is a sample of the infighting on Discord that brought them their actual audience that drew in all those debates

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Public Image​

This is how Grace portrays herself on Xitter



Grace wants to present herself as a professional debater and interviewer but she frequently thirst posts, shows off her boyfriend, shows off people blocking her, and shows off men throwing themselves at her.

However, Grace is a lot more like her father than presented.​

She defended Stephen Crowders treatment of his wife

Grace will always defend Ben

Mr Girl outwitting Grace

This was only a sample of what was to come, these are the crossovers that tilted them from obscurity to full on garnering their status to come.

Destiny​

The debate between The Thorps and Destiny was the tilting point from relative obscurity to advanced notoriety

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Spoiler: Summary and Timestamps

1:01:34 - Ben said that he and Courtney weren't married by retrospect
1:02:07 - Ben powerleveled and said that his parents abused him while he was younger, this could be false

• Later, says that he didn't realized that it was abusive until seeing Courtney raising Grace

1:04:27 - Courtney abandoned the kids before they can abandon them
1:05:39 - Grace powerleveling, clip used in the OP
1:07:19 - Ben confirms that he managed the restaurant, apparently the building was run down
1:09:10 - Ben needed to smoke because Grace had to be a stay at home mom
1:10:11 - Grace had live with a Nigerian family for a bit
1:11:51 - Grace says Courtney is the reason for her low self esteem while Ben interrupts
1:13:01 - Ben hated running the restaurant
1:14:54 - Ben was at one point a real estate agent, catholic teacher, and hated both

• He is a grifter because he hated work as it seems

1:19:24 - He shut down the restaurant due to low business and hated the staff
1:20:24 - He said his marriage failed because he had a "big personality" and was manipulated into it
1:22:40 - Ben was forced to impregnate her and apparently, she was sexually aggressive about it

• Grace was the result, says the known creep

1:27:00 - Went through Grace's phone for talking to her mom on the phone
1:32:20 - All 6 kids live or near Ben, 2 with and 2 near
1:33:28 - Courtney filed for divorce but was dismissed
1:35:30 - Ben knows Courtney's being used as a lolcow to discord nobodies
1:36:50 - Clip used in OP that Courtney thought Ben and Grace were fucking

• Ben later confirms this on a Xeet

1:41:05 - Grace lived with Courtney for a brief time before going back to Ben
1:42:45 - Ben walked out on his kids too for a brief time
1:45:45 - He chose Grace over his entire kids, but apparently invited them time to time
1:47:47 - Destiny points out how did Ben go through her phone, he doesn't remember

• He keeps steering the conversation away

1:49:10 - Destiny asks what was Grace's school life, she dropped out
1:53:10 - Grace was exposed to porn at a young age
1:56:00 - Ben lied about asking her a contact to look through her phone
1:58:00 - Bens lifes work - The Edgelord Centrist, something I even clipped myself and still don't understand
2:01:23 - They said Milo should fuck Grace and of course, didn't want it
2:02:14 - Destiny said he supports abortion, shit starts going off the rails
2:06:04 - Ben quits and interview over

Destiny Interviews Grace one on one
2:21:28 - Grace got mad she got called an abusive victim
2:22:43 - Grace says she isn't abused because she's beautiful and skinny and not a fat lesbian
2:24:08 - Grace starts raging at the bits about Courtney
2:25:23 - Destiny asks about the messy timeline and hypocrisy

• She melts down immediately

2:30:11 - Destiny like everyone says she's in a parasitic relationship
2:33:30 - Destiny dropping W's on Grace
2:36:42 - Courtney helped run the restaurant
2:39:48 - The marriage failed because Courtney wasn't supportive
2:40:28 - The business went down under because of Courtney says Grace
2:42:38 - Courtney apparently yelled at Grace for fucking up on a meal
2:43:24 - Courtney yelled at Grace for her baby sister falling off of her while she was sleeping
2:50:55 - Destiny said Grace shouldn't be told about evil things about her mom by Ben
2:57:00 - Grace says she's an adult and talks over Destiny whenever he refutes this
3:00:34 - Grace says her dad is a good dad and quits the call

Milo Yiannopoulos​

Milo was the real target of Grace and Bens affections, it is often inferred that Grace wanted Milo as her boyfriend to be in his inner circle. Milo is the first man that Ben and Grace actively sought out but Milo subsequently ignored and insulted them.

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Ethan Ralph
Ethan Ralph was the turning point to Grace becoming the attention of the Kiwi Farms after the subsequent falling out of Ethan and Nick Fuentes, Ethan made advances toward Grace and she "seemingly" returned them back.

Famous Duet from the Fuck Cozy Festival

Grace subsequently burned her bridge with Ralph by deeming him going after Fuentes was tryhard and he overdid it. Ralph subsequently told Grace on livestream to go fuck herself afterwards.

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If you wanna learn more about the drama - Click Here
If you wanna learn about the Nick Fuentes's drama with her - Click here

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As these events were central to the Thorps ongoing popularity, this was nowhere near the amount of dysfunctionality being described from these clips alone. Ben is truly more of a disgusting person than realized before and these are the set examples set by it.

John Thorp being harassed during a panel​

As the Thorps were doing their usual routine of infighting, Grace decided to harass her brother John over a minor slight and even Ben assaulted him as well at a later date that ended in an arrest report being filed.

Spoiler: The assault itself

During the fallout of this, Courtney defended John while Ben was disgusted by his actions.

Grace actually stated that she is the innocent one here.

Spoiler: Ben assaulted John

Arrest report

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Stardust Debate​

Ben one day debated Stardust where she repeatedly asked Ben about his inappropriate relationship with Grace, pedophilia, and letting other men taking advantage of his daughter. She routinely asks about Whoremaxxer. This interview is special because it displays Bens "debating" into full effect and quit the debate twice.

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Spoiler: Summary

2:25 - Stardust begins the debate
- Stardust immediately asks Ben why he sexualizes Grace
7:25 - Stardust asks about Whoremaxxer
- Ben defends Whoremaxxer
9:43 - Stardust goes to the famous Whoremaxxer stream
12:14 - Ben throws a shot at Stardust saying she lacks charisma, she fires back
13:14 - Ben says its okay for Grace to be treated that way
14:21 - Stardust keeps nudging him
18:45 - Stardust puts Ben into a corner
21:09 - Stardust vs Ben in catholic ideologies
22:08 - Ben calls a Stardust a lesbian for being too uptight about skin
23:25 - Stardust goes into a feminist rant that Ben struggles to fight against
24:02 - Stardust uses his argument against him
26:25 - Ben says Stardust should be more attractive
27:16 - Ben rants about progressives when Stardust mentions she's one
27:50 - Stardust asks a different question, "Do you think Taylor Swift should wear a burka"
29:05 - Ben says Women shouldn't abuse their sexuality
31:17 - Grace sent an ass shot of herself in panties to a dude, he said he somehow didn't know this
31:55 - Stardust mentions Grace wore panties in front of Whoremaxxer, Ben says he can't police that
33:33 - Ben is financially dependent on Grace

• He says she has 80k in the bank

35:58 - Stardust points out contradictions

• Says something about Darius that doesn't align to her arguments

36:57 - Stardust points out that he shifts the topic
37:51 - Ben says he fondles his kids, Stardust asks to elaborate

• He says it's because he touches them parentally such as they sat on his lap as children, she sees it as a Freudian slip
• Just watch this, his words really are cryptic and it sounds like word salad half the time, he even said Stardust probably thinks he likes baby porn during it

43:57 - Ben quits the talk and calls her an asshole and ugly
1:04:11 - Ben comes back to the talk

• Said he hated her bringing up the same question about Whoremaxxer immediately

1:08:30 - Ben explains why priests are called Fathers
1:14:41 - Stardust getting to the point of talking to Ben
1:21:28 - Stardust said the conversation has ended its course, Ben gets immediately angry about it
1:23:28 - Ben summarizes his version of Catholicism
1:24:28 - Ben quits the stream entirely

Points made
Ben - It's okay for Grace for Grace to sexualize herself and the male attention is a good thing
Stardust - expresses concern on whoever else Ben exposes Grace to
Ben - Grace chose to do what she did and she should be okay with it
Stardust - Whoremaxxer is 45
Ben - Grace is an adult and she should be allowed to do it
Stardust - She knows Catholics shouldn't be promiscuous
Stardust - Athiest, Ben - Theist
Ben - Whoremaxxer was joking
Stardust reuses the Whoremaxxer stream against Ben, Ben gets visibly annoyed by it after awhile
Ben - You're too uptight, Stardust - You need agency
Stardust gets more visibly more annoyed as the debate goes on
Ben reiterated his talking points
Bens talking points sound like word salad to chat
A separate caller appears later in the stream, this conversation isn't that bad but nothing worth personally to highlight
- It's mainly about how he views Catholicism and how Ben views Catholicism

Hunter Avallone Debate​

Ben and Hunter had a debate where Ben strongly defended the age of consent being 16 and grooming should be a more misunderstanding of relationship power dynamics, he rage quitted the talk as well.

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Spoiler: Timestamps and Points Made

1:14 - Debate starts
2:24 - Ben complains that Hunters subscribers were mean to him
2:38 - He wants Hunter to apologizes

• Hunter apologizes for not being hard enough on Ben on the last debate

3:13 - Ben says he isn't going to win by being snarky

• This starts Ben yelling at Hunter

3:55 - Hunter says Bens argument is a minor and an adult could have a beneficial relationship

• Ben says its about a 19 year old

5:14 - Bens argument that there is no victim of this situation
6:19 - Ben says Hunter is engaging in "illogical colonialism"

• That in the biblical times, the age of consent was women reaching puberty so it's illogical to say 18 is too low

7:47 - Hunter says in most times with young women and mature adults it's most likely coerced, horrendous circumstances, or abused

• Ben says it's most likely all true

8:30 - Ben twists that and says shouldn't have sex with women as long as they have a risk

• Hunter immediately shuts down said argument because of non engagement

11:22 - Hunter says Bens argument is basically trying to loop hole what he can and can't do
11:59 - Ben says there is a case that both a 13 year old can lose her virginity to 13 year old as well as a 19 year old
12:27 - "It depends on the 13 year old and the 19 year old" -
12:58 - Ben says if cultures allow it, go for it

• Hunter immediately says culture has no matter, it's morality

16:57 - Hunter says it's a stupid argument that Ben is defending slavery in the Bible through apologizing it
19:09 - Ben says he is not pro-slavery because abolitionists were Christians

• Hunter points out that slavery was fought within Christiaan society as well

21:44 - Ben has a Masters Degree in Theology
22:11 - Ben says God will smite Hunter for twisting his words
22:26 - Ben says he is in favor of grooming, but only the definition of self care
22:57 - Hunter points that cultural norms don't count in questions in morality
26:47 - Hunter uses Bens argument of a 12 year old is mature enough to be in relationships
27:15 - Ben twists Hunters words as pedophilia

• Hunter immediately shuts down said argument

31:05 - Ben twists Hunters argument saying that a country like Spain which has a lower age of consent is a "pedophile country"

• Hunter hasn't mentioned pedophilia once

37:00 - Ben admitted to flirting with a 19 year old

• Hunter knows but further says Ben knew her when she was 17 and wanted to continue the conversation, Ben slipped up and said Yes but immediately said No
• Called him a DILF

40:59 - Hunter calls out Ben for being a pro groomer that he allows older men to have relationships with younger women by using a stern basis of legality not factoring in that they have 2 completely different experiences altogether
43:37 - Ben wants Hunter to call all Catholics pro groomers
46:53 - Ben says that a 19 year old man can manipulate a 25 year old woman

• Hunter agrees if there is something very wrong with that 25 year old

49:51 - Hunter and Ben have a full on arguments about the age of consent
50:44 - Hunter points out more of Bens hypocrisy
51:47 - Ben has a full on melt down
1:02:55 - Hunter wants a full explanation of Bens position, Ben wants Hunter to calm down
1:07:41 - Hunter summarizes Bens argument

• Ben admits he's okay with grooming

1:08:09 - Meltdown and quits the debate saying he wants to kill Hunter

Points Made
Immediately says it's the "Thorpacylpse"
Ben says its okay for a 19 year old to be with a 50 year old as long they are aware of contraception and are above the age of consent
Hunter says just because they are above the age of consent doesn't factor in life experience and naivety
Ben is constantly yelling over Hunter during the argument
Hunter is apparently well versed in History
Bens argument is that a 16 year old can get married off at that age to anybody
Hunter points that Ben is changing the argument instead of answering the questions
Bens argument that Rhode Island having an age of consent of 16 is okay, Hunter says it's not okay due to worldly experience difference in relationships
After admission, Hunter steers the argument back to its original point
Ben knows the age of consent laws in many states and countries apparently
Both Ben and Hunter call Prophet Muhammed a pedophile, Hunter apparently got made fun of for doing so
Hunter has an excellent argument that a 25 year old with a full prefrontal cortex can manipulate a 19 year old that does not, Ben gets repeatedly angry at the argument
Near the end of the agreement, it's just a cyclical rehashing of the same argument

Andrew Wilson Debate​

The most pivotal point to Ben's cowdom, Ben called The Crucible, Andrew Wilson, a hypocrite. When Andrew was put into a panel with Ben, Ben immediately apologized and doesn't wanna harm their friendship

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Tom Foolery Debate​

This debate was during the fallout of the Destiny debate, what makes this one was special was that several of their orbiters were in the chat making heavy allegations against Ben, including John Thorp

(Ben goes in at 3:05:14 - 4:28:20)
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Spoiler: Timestamps and Extra Points

20:48 - Tom Foolery calls Ben an abuser
20:55 - clip intro clip
26:00 - Ben confirms that while his son was in crutches he forced him to move to get his food like holding it over his head
34:46 - Ben meltsdown and says his son is not a victim because he didn't refuse to participate
38:30 - Tom makes the point that Ben will always defend what he and Grace do even if it's abusive
48:03 - Ben meltsdown again saying doesn't know what abuse is like
52:37 - Tom makes a good point that he portrays Courtney as the abuser and we are all wrong to point it at him'

• Ben doesn't know how to respond to this

53:37 - Ben throws a shot at Tom for saying he doesn't know what a father relationship looks like because he didn't have one
56:59 - Ben thinks Tom is wrong about letting Grace dance for Whoremaxxer
57:40 - He uses Taylor Swifts father as a defense
1:08:11 - Ben says it's the family business
1:11:40 - Ben yells at Tom for thinking they have committed incest
1:15:30 - Ben says he is a true feminist
1:17:52 - Ben knows Grace degrades herself for attention
1:22:00 - Tom figured them out
1:24:25 - Ben uses David Letterman as a defense for older men flirting with younger women
1:27:30 - Ben boasts about having a date with a 23 year old
1:31:00 - Ben believes in grooming
1:34:29 - Ben admits to everything by Freudian slip
1:35:42 - Ben fully melts down, just watch the entirety until the end of the debate
1:41:00 - Ben quits the stream

Points made
Bens son moved out as soon as he was 18
Ben won't answer the question about the other treatment of his son
Tom makes a good point that all the people that told Grace was in an abusive relationships with her father have all left her
Ben loves Whoremaxxer and says he's great
Ben wanted nofapgamer to have Grace but later learned he is mentally ill
Tom liked the flirting but acknowledges how wrong it is, Ben uses this as a weapon
Ben knows how older men manipulate little boys

Spoiler: Screencaps from chat

Nofapgamer

John Thorp

Shamoo

Link to Shamoos claim - L | A

Orbiters​

It's not really surprising that herd of lolcows have their own herd on lolcattle. As much as the Thorps are problematic on their own, they have their own underground railroad of degeneracy. Here is but a small few, I only picked the ones that have a decent following on their own.​

Whoremaxxer


Whoremaxxer is thread material on his own but to keep it short. He is a notoriously creepy weirdo from the streets of Las Vegas, and is heavily into 3 repetitive interests

• Porn
• Sex
• Bodybuilding

He has several platforms on his own. The Thorps got involved with Whoremaxxer and his antics, most likely to being very vocal on wanting to fuck Grace so he has been a mainstay orbiter. Ben has excused his behavior on multiple debates including the ones mentioned and even exclaiming that he's a legitimate fan as seen as above and below.

MGTOW.tv | YT Channel | Current Streaming Channel

Grossly Offensive
Grossly Offensive was once a Council of Evil orbiter but has strayed away from them and into the eyes from the Thorps. From the Killstream interview, he exclaimed that he found them through Whoremaxxer and even was part in further orbiter, Avatheg, in their "House for Wayward Hoes" incident.

DariusIRL
Grace's on again / off again boyfriend. Nothing is much to Darius other than he is an IRL streamer on Kick and trying to get Internet Famous. What speaks most about him though is that he and Grace have public on again / off again breakup sections for the amusement of Xitter.

Kick | Xitter | Youtube

Playing with Fire
Playing with Fire is a redpilled dating coach, nothing else to match onto him other than he is central to the Thorps ongoing infamy. He has routinely platformed them and gave them famous streamers to debate with such as Destiny and notsoErudite but, Ben will never turn on him ever, he would rather ditch Grace than let PWF ban him.
Youtube | His Forum | Instagram

Avatheg
Avatheg is Grace's only true friend within circles. She even visited the Thorps from the earlier mentioned House for Wayward Hoes incident. She is very much been vocal to wanting to be Grace's friend and giving her legitamate advice but the only problem is, Ben of course will do nothing but let the advice go to deaf ears. The only reason why I'm adding her onto this was because she admitted that she only visited them because they are fucked up people and she likes that.
Youtube

House for Wayward Hoes

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Spoiler: Notes

Ava went there to meet Grace but was aware of their infamy online
House of the Wayward Hoes - Hoes meet masculine energy
Ben asked Ava to hit him and she refused - Ben admitted this himself

• He pulled her hair

Ben called Grace his Elaine Maxwell to his Jeffery Epstein
He kept controlling Ava throughout the entire trip

• He tried to treat her like a dog by wanting her to drink out of a dog bowl

He pulls on Grace's hair to calm her down
"It's not a big deal for women to get raped" - Ben
Ben roleplayed with both of them acting like he's a rich yacht owner and they met him for the first time
Ben insulted Grace for not backing him up on his ideas for roleplay
Ben owns a dildo
Shamoo explains that Ben knows he's hitting on mentally ill women

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Degeneracy​

Now, this is what was revealed inside and outside the public eye. There were a lot more clips exactly like these ones but I decided to only use the ones that are most clear with their dysfunctionality. Not only are they the most concise in terms of abusiveness but also, these are generally what could help you get into their infamy as a whole.

The examples of these clips show case these 6 ranges - Defending of grooming, admitted pedophilia, a subsection where someone also dived into their archives and found them at their worst, psychological abuse, verbal abuse, slight physical abuse, and incest.

Grace and grooming​

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Spoiler: This is cursed

How Ben talks to his daughter​

He was genuinely okay with Ralph gunting his daughter​

Psychological / Verbal Abuse​

Subreddit post that started the spiral to infamy​

A user on the r/Destiny subreddit created a post detailing their rabbit hole into the Thorp family. One that contains all the necessary clips to make this
thread happen just by itself

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Spoiler: Reddit Post

r/Destiny

•Posted by
u/Black_Trinity
8 months ago

An In-depth Look Into Grace Thorp​

There’s been a lot of back and forth related to this whole Thorp family business. I’ve seen people like Chudlogic and Zonia say that these people don’t actually believe the things they argue for and are just trying to get clout and clicks by making outlandish statements.
Short Answer: Unfortunately, this isn’t actually the case. Yes, Ben Thorp is 100% hungry for clout, but they are 100% NOT putting on a performance.


Ever since Grace first appeared on Destiny’s stream to debate him about Crowder, I’ve been falling faster and faster down the Thorp family rabbit hole on Youtube. And after going through ~29 hours worth of VODs, I can say with absolute certainty that even though some of the clips from their streams look sensational, almost all of their family interactions are also peppered with other forms of very casual and less “flashy” instances of emotional and psychological abuse. And because I wasted so much of my life sifting through all of this shit, I felt the need to write this long-ass schizo post in a desperate attempt to give some justification for me willingly putting myself through so much self harm.
Note: All links are Streamable links, as I would prefer not to directly link to Ben’s channel and give him more views.
Grace Replacing Her Mother
It should already be pretty clear to anyone that’s seen Grace on stream that she has major issues with her mother, Cortney Thorp, so this is probably a good starting point. A lot of people claim that Cortney is a victim of both Grace’s father, Ben Thorp, and Grace herself. This is a completely understandable conclusion to come to if you’ve seen any of their interactions with Cortney, but that alone doesn’t quite capture the full picture.
The Thorps are a Catholic family with 6 children who were all homeschooled to some extent. Grace is the eldest child at 20 years old, and the youngest child is 10 years old. Grace has talked about how her mother neglected her and her siblings, which forced Grace, at around the age of 7 or 8, to have to take up the role of the “second mom” while she was supposed to be homeschooled. This led to Grace developing a lot of resentment towards her mother over the years, but everything started to boil over in the beginning of March 2023, when Cortney decided she was going to leave the family and start a new life.
On March 24th, 2023, Grace starts a live stream where she is clearly having an emotional breakdown

In this stream, Grace talks about how:

• 1.) She doesn’t have a free relationship with her siblings because she’s now like their mother
  
  
• 2.) When she and her siblings were supposed to be homeschooled, Grace had to watch and take care of the kids for the entire day because her mother never did anything, and now she feels her mother has completely abandoned her instead of letting her have her own life.
  
  
• 3.) She quit being homeschooled at 13 because her family was like a “cult” that didn’t want her to go out and make friend
  
  
• 4.) She’s turning into a mess and is always made to feel guilty.

On March 31st, 2023, the family had an 8 hour stream, where they argued with Cortney over Discord. The majority of the stream was between Ben and Corney, but there were a few moments where Grace joined in.
During the times where Grace was on stream, she leveled a number of accusations against her mother. There were a few things Cortney admitted to, but she didn’t comment on any accusation that could get her into legal trouble.
Things Cortney admits to:

• 1.) Telling Grace, when she was 16 years old, that she hoped she killed herself because Cortney felt Grace was stealing her husband
  
  
• 2.) When she left the family that month, she left a voicemail to the kids, telling them she didn’t want to be their mother anymore

Note: There was another stream, 4 months before this one, where Cortney told Grace that she treated her so poorly when she was younger because she was “crazed with jealousy” at how close Grace was with her father

The other accusations Grace makes are from back when Ben was still a school teacher and Cortney was a housewife that was supposed to be homeschooling the kids. Grace accuses Cortney of:

• 1.) Physically abusing Grace’s younger brother, John
  
  
• 2.) Never taking care of the house to the point where they had rats and moldy dishes in the kitchen
  
  
• 3.) Forcing Grace to fake documents related to Cortney homeschooling the kids
  • Cortney says “I don’t remember that”, but Grace goes into such elaborate detail about the process that I’m more inclined to believe her accusation is true.

With the Crowder stuff coming out just 1 month after these events (April 27th, 2023), it’s no real surprise that Grace ended up hardcore projecting her experiences with her mother onto Crowder’s wife. She’s not making arguments for attention. She actually believes what she says.
Accepting Father’s Abuse
Now that we’ve gotten a better look at Grace’s history with her mother, there’s a much clearer picture of the Thorp family dynamic and why Grace seems to be so attached to her father. When a child experiences neglect and abandonment, they are much more likely to tolerate and excuse other forms of abuse from important people in their lives, as the fear of losing that person significantly outweighs the pain they experience being around them.
From all the VODs that I’ve seen, Grace has expressed, on multiple occasions, that one of her biggest fears is turning out like her mother. And this vulnerability is a common vector of attack that Ben uses to keep Grace in line.
There’s 1 stream, in particular, on April 17th, 2023, where Grace gravely offends her father. And from that point on, he is just endlessly rude and mean towards her while poking at her insecurities. And as he is doing this, she is just smiling and nodding along with him while saying he is exactly correct about every negative thing he says about her. Over the course of the stream, Grace is slowly broken down until she is left crying and insulting herself at the end of the stream.
So, what was the initial offense that led to this interaction?
Grace tried to sing along to Ben’s joke

It was from this moment that the mood shifted completely. There’s going to be a lot of clips here, but they are all essential to better understand the dynamic between Grace and her father.

• 1.) Ben begins to berate Grace for jumping into the joke and “pushing him aside”. Grace agrees and says she is the problem, but then Ben gets upset because she’s making herself look like a victim, and he calls her obnoxious.
  
  
• 2.) Ben begins to compare Grace to her mother and tells her that, just like her mother, if she can’t handle him criticizing her, then she should just leave. He then says that offering criticism is him being “overly generous”, to which Grace wholly agrees with everything he just said.
  
  
• 3.) Ben tells Grace that he offers her too much support and not enough criticism, and her “acting like a victim” causes people to flock to her aid and try to destroy the family, just like with her mother.
  
  
• 4.) Ben says that he has no intentions of changing how he treats Grace, to which Grace responds by saying she’s the one that needs to change her personality.

A bit after this point, Grace had to go and take care of the kids while her dad streamed. She comes back a few hours later, and Ben goes right back to criticizing her a little more about how poorly she’s taking care of the household before letting her take over the stream for the rest of the night.

• 1.) Ben compares Grace to her mother again, and says that she’s allowed to fail and leave too. He guilts her by saying things may be a little harder on him and the kids, but he can just hire a maid because her responsibilities are so easy.
  
  
• 2.) Ben leaves the stream and has Grace take over. Grace talks to the stream about the conversation she just had and slowly begins to cry and say she’s afraid she’s going to be just like her mother.
  
  
• 3.) Grace continues to cry and says she can’t be a different person. She then calls herself a loser for crying.

Grace accepts the abuse she receives from her father because she believes it’s warranted. She believes she’s a problem and a nuisance for her father, so she has a strong desire to win his approval by doing whatever he says. At least for me, this seems to explain why she has been doing whatever she can to help him grow his Youtube following.
And this directly leads us to the most disturbing part of this post….
Ben Sexualizing his Daughter
Just 2 days after that stream with Grace crying, on April 19th, 2023, Grace and Ben appeared on another streamer’s channel, named Whoremaxxer. Whoremaxxer is a streamer that is mostly known for appearing on the Playing With Fire Youtube channel (Alex, the pickup artist) livestreams as a guest to go on e-dates, where he acts creepy towards the women.
Throughout this stream, Whoremaxxer sexually degrades Grace on multiple occasions, and both him and Graces own father encourage her to do increasingly sexual things on stream in order to get more people to come to the stream. There’s even one moment in the stream where Grace’s father laughs while saying despite the fact that Grace is smiling, he knows she’s going to start acting like a victim again and be upset with him for weeks after the stream ends.

• 1.) Whoremaxxer and Ben tell Grace to put on some lingerie to attract more viewers to the stream. Ben then makes a joke about Whoremaxxer popping Grace’s “e-cherry”.
  
  
• 2.) Grace returns to the stream in a corset. Whoremaxxer makes some sexual comments to her, and Ben tells Grace to show the stream her body.
  
  
• 3.) Ben asks Grace if she’s on their “team”, and tells her to shake her tits and ass to get more viewers in the stream. He then makes a joke about how Grace’s mother wouldn’t like what she’s doing.
  
  
• 4.) Whoremaxxer talks about how he wants to sexually violate Grace. Ben laughs and says that even though Grace is smiling now, she is going to act like a "victim" when stream is over.
  
  
• 5.) Ben tells Grace “put them up against the glass for the boys” in reference to her breast, to which she stands up so the stream can get a closer look at her chest.
  
  
• 6.) Ben compares Grace to her mother again, and says she doesn’t have too much time until she’s ugly like her mother, so she needs to use her looks while she has them to get more viewers.
  
  
• 7.) Grace does a sexy dance for the stream.

There’s 1 last thing I wanted to bring up. When I randomly googled Ben Thorp, I came across a Kiwi Farms thread back from February, where Ben seems to be trying to promote his stream

. He describes Grace as a “10/10” and even talks about how he’s trying to get Milo Yiannopoulos to date his daughter.

Ben Thorp will use his daughter in any way he feels will get him more views. All that I’ve posted above seems to explain why Grace flirts with any popular male figure that she can get into contact with. It’s for her dad.
Destiny has already mentioned that he’s given Grace perms to his Discord. No amount of complaining is going to change that, so I don’t recommend people try to do that. Personally, I don’t necessarily have a problem with Grace showing up on stream, but I don’t think we should be giving any attention to her father. If Grace wants to come on to talk about a specific subject, like when she went on stream to debate Vegan Gain, I think that’s fine. It was pretty funny. But I don’t think it would be responsible to have her on and focus on her dysfunctional family situation for an extended period of time unless the engagement is similar to Destiny’s recent JCS style interview with Grace and her father. It shouldn't be used in a joking way as a promotion for the father's Youtube channel. Ben Thorp’s goal is to exploit his family members in whatever way he can in order to get more viewers on Youtube, and I think we should be careful in accidentally playing into that.

These clips show Grace having a mental breakdown over Courtney allegedly repeatedly leaving the family and showing how alone she feels in life.

Spoiler: Clips 1 - 3 (Mental Breakdown)

These clips reveals a lot about Courtney herself, she admitted to telling Grace to kill herself at 16, jealous of Grace's relationship with Ben, and how Grace had to be a motherly figure at a young age.

Spoiler: Clips 4 - 10 (Courtney)

These clips show Ben berating Grace over her “jumping” into his joke

Spoiler: Clips 11 - 13 (Ben)

This clip is another breakdown where Grace is fully displays what she feels like as a person.

Spoiler: Clip 14 (It's stupid to cry)

Ben is not afraid to pimp Grace out

Spoiler: Whoremaxxer

Whoremaxxer is a creepy manosphere influencer who also streams to literal nobodies on Discord

Furthermore...​

Ben is an admitted pedophile

(A)

Grace will always defend Ben and lets him be introduced to these people​

L | A

He slapped Grace's ass on stream

Grace was physically abused Grace on camera

By Ben​

By Darius​

Reason why Grace defends abuse.

If there is anything to summarize this well of just utter insanity, it might be genuinely this

Ben straight up admitted to raping/having sex with Grace.

L | A L | A

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Conclusion​

Firstly, This reminds me of something...


Secondly, Ben is fat and I would not have sex with him.


Thirdly, He will do anything to self advertise

Link / User Profile

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Current times​

As for now, Grace has turned to an IRL livestreaming with Ben and Darius. Recently, at the time of writing this OP, Ben left Grace.
I do not believe this whatsoever.

Spoiler: Tits

According to Grace, Ben has left Grace, there is no telling what's happening to the others.

Spoiler: Ben left Grace

Ben continuously during times of mania, has gotten severely more unhinged to his ramblings on Xitter


It was revealed on a livestream that they have an ongoing DCFS case against Courtney, Grace revealing that Courtney has a RO against Ben.

L | A

It is truly unknown what fate befalls to each one of them but one thing is for sure, they will continue spiral to the bitter end when one ends up in prison, suicide or advanced hiatus. All we can say is, the people to feel for the most are the children that aren't vocal from the hands of the Thorps and nobody in this story is a good person and will be buried in the hell they create for each other.

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Acknowledgements & Further Exploration​

Spoiler: Full Names and State

Benjamin Svendsen Thorp
12/25/1971
Providence, RI 02903
428 Child St Warren, RI 02885 (Now Inactive)
Ben confirmed his dox when trying to confront Milo and matches arrest report

Cortney Lynn Thorp
Whereabouts Unknown

Grace Meredith Thorp
10/30/2002
Providence, RI 02903
428 Child St Warren, RI 02885 (Now Inactive)

Ben Thorp
Facebook / X

Grace Thorp
X / Instagram

Videos to watch about the Thorps to see the insanity for yourself
Shamoo's 1st documentary

Shamoo's 2nd documentary (Source of most of the clips)

FPSDiesel Documentary (Co-signed by Shamoo)

Thanks to​

Kiwis
@Sprate Header @Cringestorian X @Neo-Nazi Rich Evans @Yandex Captcha Solver @Rage Pig @Skitzels @DoseRoses

Archivers and Channels
Shamoo - https://www.youtube.com/@Shamoo_
Naptown - https://www.youtube.com/@NapTown911

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OP edit by me, here are some bigger updates since the OP was moved and published
Update Post 1

 

[Kennedy]

Horrifying

 

[Cats]

The daughter looks like that one photoshop where some weirdo made Josh into a girl

 

[Sprate Header]

You should definitely compress all of the video attachments by a lot. 30-second videos do not need to be 17MB, all of them load way too slowly at that size.

 

[Cringestorian X]

eyy finally a proper thread on the Thorps, props for putting it up together

I stopped following them after their breakup with Ralph so I got nothing to add other than they're super massive attention whores, so beware. I think Bryan Dunn once said that Ben and Grace are faking the whole incest thing and they play it up so they can get a spot on TLC or some shit, which is kinda believable if you followed their antics for a while. Social climbing through e-celebs and gathering outrage mobs to follow them around.

 

[Axiom.]

You should definitely compress all of the video attachments by a lot. 30-second videos do not need to be 17MB, all of them load way too slowly at that size.

How to?

 

[Sprate Header]

How to?

I think Null has recommended Kdenlive before, but I often just Google "video compresser" and use one of the top sites that shows up.

 

[Meat Target]

You mean to tell me that there's a whole family of people who make Ethan Ralph look well-adjusted by comparison?

 

[Harm]

How to?

If you have Adobe Premiere Pro, you can control the balance between filesize and bitrate fairly easily.

Spoiler: Simple guide

First, make sure these appear as so. Next, expand the VIDEO section below:



Scroll down to this section and notice this number:



Set this number to roughly 1.8-2.0. If the visuals are important, then lean towards the higher side. I recently had 125GB of lolcow VODs I compressed down to 56GB or so with this method without destroying the visual fidelity. You can keep an eye on this number to get an idea of how big it'll wind up being:

If you don't have Adobe Premiere Pro, then there's online services that'll compress them like Sprate mentioned. Smaller clips are faster to upload too, so it's better for everybody.

 

[StMaryPiper]

It’s a whole family business of grifting and spergatry. It’s like a fucked up version of the Wild Thornberrys. Call it the Wild Thorpberrys

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

The daughter looks like that one photoshop where some weirdo made Josh into a girl

While I have likely never seen the photoshop you're referring to, it's pretty likely that "photoshop" is actually a Faceapp filter.
Never used Faceapp myself, but I know there is a gender swap filter on that app. Said gender swap filter being commonly used by trannies.

 

[Axiom.]

Thank you everybody I will fix the attachments and clips, sorry thats my fault o should've read up on that and i will update as soon as I can

 

[BPD Gunt Rider]

Ben's a fed and they do nothing but stir up fake bullshit to draw in unsavory types. I'll take my dumb ratings.

 

[keke]

Spoiler more of the videos after compressing, there’s a dump of like 10 in a row around the Destiny arc. Helps with loading

 

[Axiom.]

eyy finally a proper thread on the Thorps, props for putting it up together

I stopped following them after their breakup with Ralph so I got nothing to add other than they're super massive attention whores, so beware. I think Bryan Dunn once said that Ben and Grace are faking the whole incest thing and they play it up so they can get a spot on TLC or some shit, which is kinda believable if you followed their antics for a while. Social climbing through e-celebs and gathering outrage mobs to follow them around.

As much as I could believe that, Ben just flat out saying that he fucked Grace isn't something you take lightly and nobody is going to admit that especially if you want a TV show

 

[Sprate Header]

Here's an archive of Grossly Offensive's documentaries on Thorp-adjacent lolcows like Whoremaxxer and NotLayJeno + some of ShaMoo's more engaging or informative Thorp vids: https://preservetube.com/playlist?list=PLEuwRPrsI87K1AHPBelL9WhF8eARg47l5

ETA a link to my post here with PreserveTube links to all of NapTown's Thorp clips + compilations.

 

[GradeAGobbleDeeGook]

good God, i was wondering when this thread would be made
i remember her mostly from her interaction with Darius, one of Destinys orbiters
Destiny reacted to it, and the youtube video is still up, shit was cold as ice LOL
didnt see this in the OP so here it is

https://youtu.be/8b0O3TzSTAs?t=153

Grace set up a date with one of Destinys friends named Darius, a serious date, after a few unserious dates and hangouts
Darius turned up to the date with a new suit and flowers, Grace then stood him up, left him sitting there for hours, then uploaded a video about how she feels bad but just enjoys having power over people

 

[Tablet County]

You know somebody's an insufferable attention whore when Milo of all people tells you not to engage with them.

 

[Kiwisee]

The moment I was thinking of writing up a thread on them, this pops up. Thank you so much for taking up the monstrous task.

Grace has, in my opinion, fucked her own life before it ever had a chance to begin. She is seemingly sabotaged by her fatass father at every turn; who inserts himself into any stream she's doing with anyone.

How would she get a job with her reputation as is? While it isn't impossible, the moment she decides to finally distance herself from Ben she's going to have to change her name if she hopes to get anything close to a normal 9-5 job.

She's an abuser, but also a victim at the same time (much like her mother). Ben has an iron grip on her, as evidenced by the multiple instances of him verbally abusing her on stream with no immediate consequences.

Pic related, evidence that Ben is fat. Can't even live up to his own standards of attractiveness.

 

[Axiom.]

Currently reuploading all the clips to a smaller file size and reformatting the longer ones into spoilers so if there is any ones that still take long to upload, please let me know and I will try to fix it as soon as possible.

Edit: If there is anyone that's interested in following these cows, make sure to archive important clips as much as I'll try to, they DFE and will try to bury their hypocrisy and abusive nature