Childbearing draft

[wtfNeedSignUp]

An idea that came to me over joking on how fucked South Korea is. Basically if you have a draft for men to spend two years training for an eventual war where they can die, have a same draft for women to birth a single child that she can either continue to raise or let the government take on. Of course it will be artificial insemination with the woman having the choice of whose donation it will be.

Will such thing work? How will people react to it? Will those women continue to give birth afterwards or swear off men? Will a country be able to handle a massive amount of parentless children? On one hand it seems unreasonable morally, but on the other hand it's basically the only choice of a country like Worse Korea to continue to exist without importing immigrants to take care of the elderly and fight their wars. Also is it worse or better than the compulsory military service for men, which is probably statistically just as dangerous and have possible long time effects.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't dislike your idea. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

But SJWs and (((Academia))) and (((Western Elites))) would spitroast any nation that tried it as hard as they could. I don't think even Israel could get away with it without it being consigned to Reich 2.0 Extra Haram Homophobe category, so USA's Korea has no chance at all. Just look at how the west instantly dogpiles any African nation that tries to push back against the big gay with enough zeal to make a KKK member salivate.

China or North Korea could maybe pull it off, but even than it would need such a very heavy state involvement that I wouldn't be sure it would work.

A hard line autocracy could maybe pull it, but even Communist Romania didn't fully manage it, and it generally didn't work out. Basically the baby boom part worked, but they didn't at all account for stuff like upkeeping the extra mouths or schooling them. @AgendaPoster can no doubt elaborate better.

So as good as it sounds on paper, I don't think anyone could pull it off. Maybe Saudi Arabia? You would need a lot of money, a lot of economic pull and a very strong hold on society.

You would need to:
-Have full control of your population.
-Be independent of SWIFT or western banking.
-Be able to take care of all the children and build up an infrastucture, train a lot more teachers, etc.
-Remain in power for at least two decades to see it work.
-Feed, clothe and employ your new subjects.

So you need total power and total political and financial independence, basically be an autocratic autarky.

 

[Margo Martindale]

I don't dislike your idea. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

But SJWs and (((Academia))) and (((Western Elites))) would spitroast any nation that tried it as hard as they could. I don't think even Israel could get away with it without it being consigned to Reich 2.0 Extra Haram Homophobe category, so USA's Korea has no chance at all. Just look at how the west instantly dogpiles any African nation that tries to push back against the big gay with enough zeal to make a KKK member salivate.

China or North Korea could maybe pull it off, but even than it would need such a very heavy state involvement that I wouldn't be sure it would work.

A hard line autocracy could maybe pull it, but even Communist Romania didn't fully manage it, and it generally didn't work out. Basically the baby boom part worked, but they didn't at all account for stuff like upkeeping the extra mouths or schooling them. @AgendaPoster can no doubt elaborate better.

So as good as it sounds on paper, I don't think anyone could pull it off. Maybe Saudi Arabia? You would need a lot of money, a lot of economic pull and a very strong hold on society.

You would need to:
-Have full control of your population.
-Be independent of SWIFT or western banking.
-Be able to take care of all the children and build up an infrastucture, train a lot more teachers, etc.
-Remain in power for at least two decades to see it work.
-Feed, clothe and employ your new subjects.

So you need total power and total political and financial independence, basically be an autocratic autarky.

Yeah I could only see the Saudis or other OPEC countries be able to pull this off, because oil. Or North Korea and Iran since they don't gaf

 

[AgendaPoster]

A hard line autocracy could maybe pull it, but even Communist Romania didn't fully manage it, and it generally didn't work out. Basically the baby boom part worked, but they didn't at all account for stuff like upkeeping the extra mouths or schooling them. @AgendaPoster can no doubt elaborate better.

Drafting women for pregnancy would be seen as extreme as ethnic cleansing anywhere Western, and if you would do it anywhere non-Western, the West would probably invade you for it, or if you have nukes, it would do the Russian sanctions dance again.
This is a very hard and delicate problem, and it can only be solved through moderate amounts of coercion, and copious incentivizing. Orban, even with his limited results, is doing it the best for this era. I think having even one child should be incentivized far higher, coupled with free housing, even if it's in those commie era apartment blocks.
Also, what you wanna do is basically be at replacement until artificial wombs become financially feasible. I assume China will be the first to test the waters with that, as they generally lie out of the Western outrage sphere, have tech affinities, and have money. You need to be at replacement less because of war (although I do understand why @wtfNeedSignUp is thinking in terms of the draft and war), but because of pensions, if that shit falls apart, it will basically destroy most European countries and anything "civilized" and completely collapse trust in the state.
Equally needed is a relentless propaganda campaign on TV and schools etc., to renormalize and glorify the family unit. Even if it's without marriage and the whole church thing - for now all that is needed is that you are heterosexual and want offspring.
It's basically all related.
Sickly, gender confused, anxious youths are not really into hetero sex and child rearing, so the propaganda must emphasize that normal, healthy men and women are to mingle together, flirt, and eventually have sex and children. Healthy, fit young males are testosterone-driven and incredibly horny. That should be considered normal and desirable, not abominable. Unhealthy deathfats develop into isolated incels refusing to have sex and fearing the opposite sex. That must be denormalized, and all these abnormal behaviors must be ostracized, shunned.
When Romania banned abortion there was a spike in births but it decreased, and women still got illegal, very dangerous abortions. Abortion has this mystical, forbidden fruit aura.
We should aim to remove that from it, so women no longer would be able to dunk on rightoids as "child killers". It should be seen as undesirable, and that's about it, and strictly limited as it already is in most of Europe. You cannot make women into your enemy. They should be persuaded to be on board with this agenda. It ain't that hard, but a lot of people on the right simply lack the subtlety to address these questions and are just angrily chimping out at women instead. That won't work.

 

[Johnny Salami]

Basically if you have a draft for men to spend two years training for an eventual war where they can die, have a same draft for women to birth a single child that she can either continue to raise or let the government take on

women will literally vote for war mongers, watch as men get drafted, then complain those men have government jobs

It will never fly

 

[Android raptor]

Communist Romania basically tried that. It didn't end well for either the women or children.

There are more humans on the planet than there ever have been. Homo sapiens isn't going extinct any time soon (unfortunately).

 

[Duke Nukem]

Imagine that! People who are dissatisfied with society don't want to create more tax cattle and disposable troops for the state, who knew?

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

There are more humans on the planet than there ever have been.

Yeah, but all those "humans" are brown.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter 2.0]

Communist Romania basically tried that. It didn't end well for either the women or children.

There are more humans on the planet than there ever have been. Homo sapiens isn't going extinct any time soon (unfortunately).

You have the ability to do something about that and yet you continue to live.

 

[Kill Your Idols]

Any country having birth rate issues should look at the underlying causes and focus there instead. Forced insemination would just rile people up and if you can't trust the state to support a healthy population growth with its living residents, why would it be any better at handling an artificial baby boom? You'd be better off trying to teach AI to take care of old people instead of disgruntled wards of the state who were birthed for the sole purpose of population upkeep. If those countries can't manage that, then tough shit I guess, you lost the game of life.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Just end abortion. That means anyone that does fuck and gets knocked up WILL have a kid. Also ban contraceptives in this thought experiment for maximum babies, and just dont teach sex ed. I just saved South Korea.

 

[AgendaPoster]

There are more humans on the planet than there ever have been.

Of the wrong kind.

 

[Male Idiot]

This is why I think Pajeets got a chance if China doesn't recover. They may not know how to use the loo, but they sure as hell don't use condoms either.

Of the wrong kind.

Oh you bet if whites were some type of forest critter, there would be giant campaigns to save them from extinction, just look at the Straya pearlclutching about cats.

 

[Skitarii]

Godless idea. I wish the OP a happy localized extinction event of his entire bloodline

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

but they sure as hell don't use condoms either.

They do. The condoms are too big for Indian penises.

 

[Male Idiot]

They do. The condoms are too big for Indian penises.

Matters do not, size is!

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

I feel like the carrot approach is better than the stick approach when it comes to encouraging young people to have families.

Slight powerlevel but me and my wife have a 2 year old and we did it when we were ready, not because we felt obliged to and 99% of people are the same. If you offer tax breaks or even just gibs to people for having families they're more likely to go for it.

Also a generation of people raised by the state or single mothers (but I repeat myself) and not by loving families will be a fucking DISASTER in the long run. Little Timmy probably will probably have a crisis when he realised his mother was forced to be artificially inseminated and he was never actually wanted.

 

[Breadbassket]

Seems like Decree 770 on steroids which was Communist Romania's attempt to get a high birth rate by restricting contraception and birth control. It was somewhat successful in increasing the amount of citizens but caused a great boom of orphans and circumventing the law since among other things the economic pressure involved with children remained.

Perhaps if the rats aren't as busy racing they'll probably take time to have children.

 

[Android raptor]

Just end abortion. That means anyone that does fuck and gets knocked up WILL have a kid. Also ban contraceptives in this thought experiment for maximum babies, and just dont teach sex ed. I just saved South Korea.

That's what Romania did. The population actually decreased and the kids it produced got fucked up in orphanages and ended up living in subways huffing paint and shit.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

and just dont teach sex ed.

If Sex Ed is not taught, then how would people learn how to have sex?