Orbiter The Thorp Family / The Thorps / Grace Thorp / @gracemthorp / Ben/Benjamin Thorp / Ben Thorp aka Abel / @BenThorpAbel / Cortney Thorp / Thorpotokos - A true internet trashfire from beyond the depths of the griftosphere, "I love fondling my children" - Ben, "Stephen Crowders wife abused him" - Grace, "I'm more deranged than you are" - Courtney, "based and thorppilled"

[Reminmyster]

At the bottom of the OP, Ben had a xeet that confirmed it

My bad didnt see that

 

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Cow crossover with Karlyn Borysenko earlier today:

(Archive) (Video) (PreserveTube)

(https://ghostarchive.org/archive/E2R7j)


(https://ghostarchive.org/archive/WRY8w)

 

[Axiom.]

So Ben had returned, hope he didn't yell out Hraces name with the catfish

 

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NapTown's already put together a compilation of the Grace vs. Karlyn Borysenko debate + Ben arguing with their neighbor and apparently getting punched off-camera (lol):

Karlyn Borysenko VS Grace Thorp - Karlyn's Review and Response - Ben Thorp Neighbor Dispute​

"Dr. Karlyn Borysenko recently reviewed the NapTown series of videos on Ben and Grace Thorp. She went on Grace Thorp's YouTube channel and got into a HEATED debate on whether or not Ben Thorp is a narcissist. Karlyn then took to her own live stream to review the debate and Grace's subsequent conversation with BigTech. Also, Ben Thorp was found in a storage unit and got into a fight with his neighbor. Ben Thorp and Karlyn Borysenko will be debating whether or not Ben is a narcissist shortly and we will be enjoying that."
(PreserveTube)

 

[Axiom.]

I might start a subthread for people deciding to go through their debates and highlighting their talking points and adding the link to the bottom of the OP. ik I will starting combing over these several

JLP interview
Mr Girl interview
The Darius and Destiny Interview
NotsoErudite debate

Thoughts?

 

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I might start a subthread for people deciding to go through their debates and highlighting their talking points and adding the link to the bottom of the OP. ik I will starting combing over these several

JLP interview
Mr Girl interview
The Darius and Destiny Interview
NotsoErudite debate

Thoughts?

If by subthread you just mean an effortpost in the thread, then sure, not a bad idea

 

[Axiom.]

Karlyn Borysenko Debate

Debate starts at 4:00

Points made
6:10 - Naptown video mention
7:02 - Karlyn calls Ben a narcissist but is safe around the topic but mentions he controls Grace
8:05 - Grace said that Ben was found in a storage unit for some "space", does not delve into the topic
12:16 - Calls her grandma a diagnosed narcissist and of course it's Courtney's mother
13:02 - Karlyn just admits Ben controls Grace
21:02 - Grace says that it's mainly a mixture of truth and exageration for the camera
- Which basically confirms that Ben is an abuser and a pedophile in private
31:53 - Karlyn shouldn't call Ben a pedophile
44:34 - Grace revealed Ben left because he couldn't deal with their relationship anymore, father of the year and savior of the white race ladies and gentlemen and again calls Courtney a narc
46:00 - Karlyn dropped the bomb that Ben leaving is just a manipulation tactic, Bravo Karylyn you actually made the best point
46:29 - Karlyn collected another W that Grace should leave Ben instead, this starts the fire for Grace to go into control mode
49:10 - Grace said Karlyn is just jealous of Bens success
50:25 - Karlyn got the biggest W of the entire debate by just saying people only watch them because they are a trashfire for all to see
50:52 - Grace gets immensely pissed off and starts the trashfire we're now seeing
53:20 - Grace is calling out her out for being a loser in highschool
- This starts the trashfire, just skip to this please, it's too funny
56:53 - Grace ragequits the stream and hangs up on her

- Onward, dead air and Playing with Fire shows up, I will not cover this until I'm familiar with him

Also Highlights
Grace continually judges Karlyn's psychology degree - Not a bad debate strategy but constantly bringing it up is what kills said argument

Karlyn continuously dances around her diagnoses of Ben through it's mainly her POV and not from the DSM 5 but constantly says that it's through a psychologists perspective - Grace constantly brings this up

Big Tech is e - dating Karlyn while superchatting Grace - No one questions this

Karylyn shouldn't have a judgement of a video she is reacting - Says Grace who does the same thing and is also trying to do to be a professional opinion on it

Narcissist Ethics
- They are people in power - Karlyn
- They are just white trash - Grace
Karlyn showing her leftie side by mentioning Donald Trump as an example as a narc, Grace later uses this during her tirade

Grace says she a narc because she says she's good looking, cares about her image, and loves success
- Karylyn agrees because Grace's parents are both narcs and agrees with nothing else

During her tirade, calls her a fake psychologist and hates her

Scoreboard
- The Thorps - 0
- Debateosphere - 1

Link to Debate

 

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Playing with Fire shows up, I will not cover this until I'm familiar with him

He does debate panels on relationships, kind of in the redpill space but isn't a full-on redpill guy, I don't think. Destiny's done a handful of appearances on his show (just search "destiny playing with fire" on YouTube, there are plenty of results), and I believe Grace and/or Ben has, too.

I also think the Thorp-adjacent lolcows Whoremaxxer and Nofapgamer have both made appearances on PWF, if I'm not confusing it with another show.

 

[Axiom.]

JLP call in barely had any highlights but it does show a pattern of her using her trauma as a secondary mom for sympathy points, degrades herself for Ben because apparently Ben couldn't handle her anymore, and how much she hates Courtney.

He does debate panels on relationships, kind of in the redpill space but isn't a full-on redpill guy, I don't think. Destiny's done a handful of appearances on his show (just search "destiny playing with fire" on YouTube, there are plenty of results), and I believe Grace and/or Ben has, too.

I also think the Thorp-adjacent lolcows Whoremaxxer and Nofapgamer have both made appearances on PWF, if I'm not confusing it with another show.

He does, I know the Andrew Wilson debate was through meeting Playing with Fire. If PWF is just another redpill channel that constantly lets the Thorps on even if they start shit with everybody, he is probably either pro - Thorp or the very least comforting Grace of the debate which is just shitty on itself, this does give me the idea to look into all their streams together to see what ink they spill about themselves. The one thing I am most interested in is Bens online activity up until 2022 because he DFE'd all of it despite trying to gather an audience.

Edit: Actually, he's not pro - Thorp, he's just using them as pet retards because no one makes a YT short about a ragequit of their "friend"

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

they deserved a thread for that fucking surname alone

 

[Axiom.]

Debate with The Crucible, Destiny, notsoErudite, Andrew Wilson, and Playing with Fire

Link to Debate

Points Made
5:17 - Grace being a feminist and shitting on other people in the debate
6:15- Based Andrew said Grace fucks her dad, Grace says this is slander and suable
7:04 - Grace says both Andrew and Destiny are afraid of her
8:23 - I agree with Grace that Destiny shouldn't speak for the left but calls them incompetent losers
8:52 - Grace throwing verbal fists at Andrew and he takes it gracefully
12:52 - Shits on Destiny because Ben will "take his pussy away from him"
17:06 - BEN LITERALLY GOES IN AND STEALS GRACE'S PLACE ON THE DEBATE
35:39 - Grace thinks simping is king shit guys
46:43 - Grace with incel point of view that when wanna be control by all the assholes, no wonder she wants Nicky Fuentes
56:15 - Grace puts Destiny on blast because all women like taller men, I will give Grace a W here for truthiness
58:00 - Why do men like boobs? Because it gives you something to stare at, this starts the actual debate
1:02:23 - Are you attracted to men? to notsoErudite
1:05:44 - House of the Wayward Hoes - a story by Grace SparkNotes
- Girl comes to be "reformed"
- Girl teases Ben
- Ben wants to fuck
- Ben wanted to get slapped by her
- Girl ran away to her family
1:06:43 - Ben is a great person guys, don't judge
1:09:12 - Grace gets told what a healthy relationship is, respond normally
1:16:01 - Destiny actually corrects the record
- Girl wanted to see Grace instead
- Ben weaseled his way in
- She leaves because Ben is himself
1:22:40 - Grace vs notsoErudite, CATFIGHT
1:35:35 - Destiny shitting on Grace and Grace fighting back over the concept of "healthy relationships"
1:41:05 - Grace actually gained a W over notsoErudite, imagine.
1:43:50 - notsoErudite copes against Grace's point
1:45:39 - CATFIGHT v2
2:05:00 - Grace joins in after dead air, Destiny copes again
2:06:50 - Destiny and Grace having a retard fight, amazing
2:11:00 - Total debate retardation: fully loaded
- This was about the ethics of laws btw
2:16:16 - Everything goes off the rails, faggotry off the scales for a debate about laws and Christian values
2:21:30 - Abortion debate that turns into a catfight
2:27:40 - Grace gets booted off the stream and said that she hated everyone
2:28:00 - Dead Air, this was great

Also Highlights

• Keeps derailing the debate to say Andrew and Destiny are afraid of her, responds normally as usual when confronted

• This really is poetic in its own cosmic way
• Everyone booed Ben for Grace to come back
• Grace is literally so much of a trainwreck that when the others talk, they actually sound normal and coherent
• notsoErudite defends Destiny being short
• LOL, notsoErudite is in an open relationship and hates christianity and she has a spergout about it
• 1:19:00 - for reference
• Grace is repeatedly called a chain smoker, yeah I agree
• Near the endpoint, a notsoErudite and Destiny copestream
• This is polisperging, the grifterosphere edition
• GRACE IS A CHRISTIAN LOLLL

Scoreboard
Grace - 1/2
Debateosphere- 1/2

Tie, everyone here were fags

 

[Axiom.]

Ben went full meltdown on Karlyn​

He threatened to fuck her up


Screenshot 1 = L | A
Screenshot 2 = L | A
Screenshot 3 = L | A

Total Narc Death

Screenshot 1 = L | A
Screenshot 2 = L | A

Hey, it's that meme, what is it again about enjoying prison?


Screenshot 1 = L | A
Screenshot 2 = L | A

Last one isn't Karlyn but still pretty funny

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Like father, like daughter



L | A

 

[Kiwisee]

Ben went full meltdown on Karlyn​

He threatened to fuck her up

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Screenshot 2 = L | A
Screenshot 3 = L | A

Total Narc Death
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Screenshot 1 = L | A
Screenshot 2 = L | A

Hey, it's that meme, what is it again about enjoying prison?

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Screenshot 1 = L | A
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Last one isn't Karlyn but still pretty funny

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L | A

There's no rage quite like narcissistic rage.

Can't wait until he discovers this thread so he can threaten to murder all KiwiFarmers.

 

[Axiom.]

As activity between the two is down at this moment, I decided to go through one of the classics: The Destiny Interview

Link = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfAZxFNCL0

Breakdown -
1:01:34 - Ben said that he and Courtney weren't married by retrospect
1:02:07 - Ben powerleveled and said that his parents abused him while he was younger, this could be false
- Later, says that he didn't realized that it was abusive until seeing Courtney raising Grace
1:04:27 - Courtney abandoned the kids before they can abandon them
1:05:39 - Grace powerleveling, clip used in the OP
1:07:19 - Ben confirms that he managed the restaurant, apparently the building was run down
1:09:10 - Ben needed to smoke because Grace had to be a stay at home mom
1:10:11 - Grace had live with a Nigerian family for a bit
1:11:51 - Grace says Courtney is the reason for her low self esteem while Ben interrupts
1:13:01 - Ben hated running the restaurant
1:14:54 - Ben was at one point a real estate agent, catholic teacher, and hated both
- He is a grifter because he hated work as it seems
1:19:24 - He shut down the restaurant due to low business and hated the staff
1:20:24 - He said his marriage failed because he had a "big personality" and was manipulated into it
1:22:40 - Ben was forced to impregnate her and apparently, she was sexually aggressive about it
- Grace was the result, says the known creep
1:27:00 - Went through Grace's phone for talking to her mom on the phone
1:32:20 - All 6 kids live or near Ben, 2 with and 2 near
1:33:28 - Courtney filed for divorce but was dismissed
1:35:30 - Ben knows Courtney's being used as a lolcow to discord nobodies
1:36:50 - Clip used in OP that Courtney thought Ben and Grace were fucking
- Ben later confirms this on a Xeet
1:41:05 - Grace lived with Courtney for a brief time before going back to Ben
1:42:45 - Ben walked out on his kids too for a brief time
1:45:45 - He chose Grace over his entire kids, but apparently invited them time to time
1:47:47 - Destiny points out how did Ben go through her phone, he doesn't remember
- He keeps steering the conversation away
1:49:10 - Destiny asks what was Grace's school life, she dropped out
- Remember, she melted down on Karlyn for being a loser in highschool
1:53:10 - Grace was exposed to porn at a young age
- Gee, I wonder who helped introduce her to it?
1:56:00 - Ben lied about asking her a contact to look through her phone
1:58:00 - Bens lifes work - The Edgelord Centrist, something I even clipped myself and still don't understand
2:01:23 - They said Milo should fuck Grace and of course, didn't want it
2:02:14 - Destiny said he supports abortion, shit starts going off the rails
2:06:04 - Ben quits and interview over

Destiny Interviews Grace one on one, this is the funniest one
2:21:28 - Grace got mad she got called an abusive victim
2:22:43 - Grace says she isn't abused because she's beautiful and skinny and not a fat lesbian
2:24:08 - Grace starts raging at the bits about Courtney
2:25:23 - Destiny asks about the messy timeline and hypocrisy
- This starts the trashfire
2:30:11 - Destiny like everyone says she's in a parasitic relationship
2:33:30 - Destiny dropping W's on Grace
2:36:42 - Courtney helped run the restaurant
2:39:48 - The marriage failed because Courtney wasn't supportive
2:40:28 - The business went down under because of Courtney says Grace
- Destiny constantly refutes this
2:42:38 - Courtney apparently yelled at Grace for fucking up on a meal
2:43:24 - Courtney yelled at Grace for her baby sister falling off of her while she was sleeping
2:50:55 - Destiny said Grace shouldn't be told about evil things about her mom by Ben
- She starts her pity party
2:57:00 - Grace says she's an adult and talks over Destiny whenever he refutes this
3:00:34 - Grace says her dad is a good dad and quits the call

Thorps - 0, Destiny - 2

 

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The RALPHAMALE!!!!!!! has re-entered the ring!!!

Ben Thorp RESPONDS to Karlyn Borysenko on Ethan Ralph’s KILLSTREAM - Mexico RV Trip - Grace Thorp​

"Ben Thorp recently appeared on Ethan Ralph's Killstream following a HEATED exchange on Twitter with Dr. Karlyn Borysenko. Grace Thorp and Karlyn Borysenko had a HEATED debate on whether or not Ben is a narcissist. After the debate, there was talk on Twitter over a potential debate between Ben and Karlyn. After Ben Thorp made some controversial Twitter posts, Karlyn Borysenko said the debate was not likely to happen. Ben Thorp spoke with Ethan Ralph and gave his thoughts on Karlyn Borysenko, the recent dispute with his neighbor, Grace Thorp, dating, and a potential livestream RV trip in Mexico."
(PreserveTube)

Apparently Ralph and the Thorps have actually made up, and are floating the idea of Grace and Ben taking an RV trip down to Mexico.

 

[Axiom.]

The RALPHAMALE!!!!!!! has re-entered the ring!!!

Ben Thorp RESPONDS to Karlyn Borysenko on Ethan Ralph’s KILLSTREAM - Mexico RV Trip - Grace Thorp​

"Ben Thorp recently appeared on Ethan Ralph's Killstream following a HEATED exchange on Twitter with Dr. Karlyn Borysenko. Grace Thorp and Karlyn Borysenko had a HEATED debate on whether or not Ben is a narcissist. After the debate, there was talk on Twitter over a potential debate between Ben and Karlyn. After Ben Thorp made some controversial Twitter posts, Karlyn Borysenko said the debate was not likely to happen. Ben Thorp spoke with Ethan Ralph and gave his thoughts on Karlyn Borysenko, the recent dispute with his neighbor, Grace Thorp, dating, and a potential livestream RV trip in Mexico."
(PreserveTube)

Apparently Ralph and the Thorps have actually made up, and are floating the idea of Grace and Ben taking an RV trip down to Mexico.

Ralph really wants a Logan Day doesn't he even after what she said and did right after the entire ordeal

 

[Axiom.]

Ben on the Killstream
Link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tezEXRfqRlU
Archive - https://preservetube.com/watch?v=tezEXRfqRlU

Skip to 3:05

3:55 - Grace and Ethan made up
4:58 - She calls everyone attractive a narc because she's a dumpy loser says Ben
6:08 - Threw a shot at Ralph for saying he's jealous of him and so is she
6:53 - Ben keeps saying she's a dumpy loser
- Most of the time, he keeps repeating this along with she's lying about him
12:11 - Ben says he is in the legal right that he said he will kill her because of "Death by Internet"
13:27 - Ben says cartel and Ralph gets nervous and tells him to be quiet repeatedly
14:19 - Internet Tough Guy comes out and says that if they were face to face, while she had a gun, he will tell her to shoot him
19:31 - Ralph mentions his "extremely hot" Mexican girlfriend
20:19 - Ben says he's homeless
- I do not believe this at all and even says he likes it
- Ralph mentions he should come down to Mexico and stay, Ralph is retarded
21:17 - Ben is homeless because his landlord threatened him violently
- Okay but where is his equipment being stored?, why does Grace still have housing?
- Ralph also mentions that Grace should come to and repeatedly says it's not hit on her
22:57 - Ben gives a story on how he was punched by his neighbor
- Reveals she was molested and has an ugly child
24:16 - Says he's stealing their Wi-Fi
24:18 - Clip is shown of the interaction from a previous livestream
- Ben was not assaulted
- Says he nudged her, in the clip she yells to not touch her
27:09 - When discussing this with the landlord, he said the landlord came out and started threatening him for disagreeing with him, does not say what was the reason about it was
30:57 - Ben says he will go down to Mexico with the RV Trip
- My prediction, Ben will manipulate Grace to fucking Ralph or Ben will coerce both into it
- They keep discussing the Mexico trip and how Ralph is a resident
35:23 - Ben says his landlord has to pay for the hotel for some reason
- He says it's because he broke the lease agreement, but even I know that's not how that works
35:45 - Ben discusses the catfish
- Ben was going to meetup with her but couldn't because he doesn't have a passport so he couldn't cross the border
36:28 - Closes the Karlyn situation
- She said to debate him but backed out, I wonder why
38:08 - Ben would destroy her in a debate
38:49 - He knows about Naptown
40:32 - Grace will be on the Killstream as well
- He wants Grace to go down to Mexico
41:34 - Ends conversation

Wow, Ralph will and has never learned anything

 

[ASeabear8952]

Another Grace-Karlyn crossover.

Oh snap, Grace showed up to her chat. She calls them "the incest family" and attacks grace and says she's filing a police report.





Karlyn says she won't tape going to the police because she isn't using this for "content." She's literally live streaming

 

[Axiom.]

Grace keeps taunting Karlyn to drag this out, got banned and per usual takes this as a W against her

Link https://youtu.be/z7v5PRTBD6c?si=rrB8pWNz3MD-WKag

 

[Kiwisee]

Grace keeps taunting Karlyn to drag this out, got banned and per usual takes this as a W against her

Link https://youtu.be/z7v5PRTBD6c?si=rrB8pWNz3MD-WKag

Has she ever considered that she got banned, not because she's “right” about Karlyn but because she's obnoxious?