Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Why would any military spend $60 million to give a fucked up veteran past his prime cyber eyes when there are 18 year olds graduating high school every day that have perfectly functional eyes and the rest of their body isn't ruined by a decade of active duty military service either?
A) because depending on how recent the attacks were the blind veterans could be as low as 19 years old
B) because there will be a market with veterans coming home with pay that would be looking for a way to have their sight back
C) having a flood of veterans that are still working age but are blind would cause a strain on the veteran welfare system, which would look for a way to get them working and self-sufficient again

Granted, that predisposes that the laser blinding was a major issue that affected many soldiers, and that the nation isn't completely fucked up.
 
A) going into the trenches and being blinded instantly means you have very little actual "value" to the Army. They have no incentive to spend a ton to give you bionic eyes
B) Veterans will not be buying bionic eyes themselves with their take home pay (most likely).
C) Nah they'll just collect disability checks and drink themselves to death like all the other veterans with incurable shit usually do. In the long run it's cheaper to send them a $1500 a month disability check for 30 years than it is to buy them bionic eyes (most likely).
 
So is there any bombing runs going on right now? Are the Hold just holed up or are they trying to break through somewhere?
 
AT rifles were obsolete against everything except light tanks/those shitty infantry support tanks and their role was disabling non-tank armored vehicles or as anti-materiel rifles. At absolute best you'd be lucky enough to damage the tread, but then you'd probably get machine gunned to death since a tank is a pillbox on treads.

Early in the war, AT rifles could penetrate Panzer IV armor on the sides and back, and the Panzer III was vulnerable all around. They were effective enough that it led to the Pz III getting up-armored for the Ausf H variant.
 
I have pondered what the Russian strategic goals for this war are and while I can guess something like taking everything east of the Dnieper it is just a guess. They could be trying to attrition Ukraine down over years until Ukraine is too weak to give meaningful resistance and then mobilize and take everything Russia has interest in like Odessa and Transnistria. Russia could also be just trying to take the Donbas and the oblasts they held the referendums on and then have a ceasefire that doesn't settle anything. Russia could also be trying to accomplish some kind of negotiated settlement. Personally I don't think Putin would sign off on Minsk 3 given how big a fuckup Minsk 2 was. Russia seems to be maintaining some strategic ambiguity. This means the enemy has difficulty planning against you in the long term because they don't know what you are after. But that means it is hard to know when the war will end and why it will end.

I don't understand why jamming isn't more effective. They operate on cellular frequencies using existing cellular infrastructure. It seems to me a relatively cheap/small jamming pod that disables comms to those things within 50 yards or so of your tank or squad would be feasible and pretty effective in disrupting the final approach.

[Edit I'm talking about the garage-drones they're taping grenades to for suicide dives not the sophisticated models produced by nation-states aimed at major hard targets.]
I suspect the reason jamming isn't very effective is because of the way drones can be programmed to work. If I tell a drone to keep going unless I give it a signal to stop then signal jamming will do very little. Especially if the drone by the time it is getting into signal jamming range is moving very quickly so the target can't move away. The fact that drones are so cheap as to basically be disposable makes them hard to deal with.

A lot of people talk about things like the suicide drones because of how flashy they are and while they are useful, I'd like to mention the importance of drones for recon. Normally you'd have to send somebody to someplace if you wanted to get good information about what is going on. Now you can send a drone that gives you live information with no or very little risk to personnel. Consider how useful that is for things like artillery spotting. I would even argue that artillery spotting effect of drones could be more deadly than the suicide drones. Artillery especially if it can be walked onto target is good at killing people.
 
I suspect the reason jamming isn't very effective is because of the way drones can be programmed to work. If I tell a drone to keep going unless I give it a signal to stop then signal jamming will do very little. Especially if the drone by the time it is getting into signal jamming range is moving very quickly so the target can't move away. The fact that drones are so cheap as to basically be disposable makes them hard to deal with.
The videos I've seen of suicide drones taking out single troops and vehicles are being actively guided until impact, often wildly adjusting course until the last moment. I'm talking about something that could jam those enough at the end to lessen effectiveness. My first guess is that jamming those freqs might interfere with their own comms.

I only bring this up because I knew effective cell jammers exist in the retail market. The FCC catches people using them all the time to knock out cell reception over entire blocks.


In 2013, MetroPCS contacted the FCC about its cellphone towers experiencing interference during the morning and evening between Seffner and Tampa. Officials monitored the route and pinpointed Humphreys' sport utility vehicle as the source.

Hillsborough County Sheriff's deputies stopped Humphreys and found that their communication with police dispatch was interrupted as they approached his car. They found a cellphone jammer behind his passenger side seat cover.

Humphreys, a Hillsborough County government employee, told authorities he had been using it for nearly two years to keep people from talking on their cellphones while driving.
[I love that story so much]
 
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Any false flag will be for them and will precede NATO intervention in Ukraine and at that point, we're now in WWIII.
I've said this before, but I genuine;y do not think a false flag would work out how they hope it would. Zoomers, for all their faults, are not joining the military and I have to assume that people who are already in are probbaly planning to get out sooner than later before a big war can break out. People have heard the horror stories about Iraq and Afghanistan and aren't as hopped up on Mountain Dew and Call of Duty as before enough to think they can make a difference. TikTok has won the propaganda war with teenagers and college kids.

A false flag at this point would be way too blatant.
 
yeah like a random new OSINT account claimed that Gerasimov got killed. Same shit what happened
One random twitter account said that, Visegrad ran with it then all the other NAFO's used that as circular confirmation. 99% chance the guy wasn't even in the area,


yeah like a random new OSINT account claimed that Gerasimov got killed. Same shit what happened when Sokolov was killed only to appear on next weeks rus MOD briefing
 
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yeah like a random new OSINT account claimed that Gerasimov got killed. Same shit what happened


yeah like a random new OSINT account claimed that Gerasimov got killed. Same shit what happened when Sokolov was killed only to appear on next weeks rus MOD briefing
To be fair Pro-Russian milbloggers fall for the same stuff. I even mistakenly believed that Budonav guy ate it months ago since there seemed to be high confidence.

The obvious difference being that while everyone makes mistakes one side willfully tells flat-out lies a whole lot more than the other.
 
I only bring this up because I knew effective cell jammers exist in the retail market.
Hell, you can make one yourself for relatively cheap - all you need is a mobile signal repeater (a cheapo chinese one would do) and a couple of small antennas (the ones you see on most internet routers will suffice). Put them on both ends and turn on the repeater. What would happen then is the repeater's input side would catch the signal from repeater's output side, creating a feedback loop, as well as a lot of noise. And, as a result, no one would be able to use their phones anywhere in about 200m radius.

Also, don't try this at home, unless you actually want the FCC to come after your ass.
 
This isn't fake though:

СДАЛИСЬ ЦЕЛЫМ ВЗВОДОМ В ПЛЕН!
Очередное пополнение обменного фонда. Данные военнослужащие сдались в плен всем взводом после продолжительного боя.
Есть среди них и идейные, и мобилизованные, которые ещё неделю назад были дома, а их затолкали в машину и отвезли на убой, и всякие разные. Но все вместе они приняли одно единственное правильное решение - сдаться нашим войскам и не продолжать бездумно умирать за режим Зе.
Как видите, никто над ними не издевается, раненым оказывают помощь, все спокойно.



THEY SURRENDERED AS A WHOLE PLATOON!
Another replenishment of the exchange fund. These soldiers surrendered to the whole platoon after a long battle.
There are ideological and mobilized among them, who were at home a week ago, but they were pushed into a car and taken to slaughter, and all sorts of different ones. But all together they made the only right decision - to surrender to our troops and not continue to die thoughtlessly for the Ze regime.
As you can see, no one is mocking them, the wounded are being treated, everything is calm.
(using Lord Bebo's video since it's subtitled)

Rusich source
 
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Germany is sending tons of stuff to Ukraine:

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Hell, you can make one yourself for relatively cheap - all you need is a mobile signal repeater (a cheapo chinese one would do) and a couple of small antennas (the ones you see on most internet routers will suffice). Put them on both ends and turn on the repeater. What would happen then is the repeater's input side would catch the signal from repeater's output side, creating a feedback loop, as well as a lot of noise. And, as a result, no one would be able to use their phones anywhere in about 200m radius.

Also, don't try this at home, unless you actually want the FCC to come after your ass.
Totally unrelated but once I got called in to troubleshoot sporadic wifi outages in an office tower. Randomly throughout the day wifi would just totally drop for like two whole floors. Several engineers had looked into it and given up. Turns out one of the depts bought the cheapest $5 microwave oven they could find with shit shielding for their kitchenette and every time someone heated something up it blew up the wifi for hundreds of feet. This went on for months.
 
I have pondered what the Russian strategic goals for this war are and while I can guess something like taking everything east of the Dnieper it is just a guess. They could be trying to attrition Ukraine down over years until Ukraine is too weak to give meaningful resistance and then mobilize and take everything Russia has interest in like Odessa and Transnistria. Russia could also be just trying to take the Donbas and the oblasts they held the referendums on and then have a ceasefire that doesn't settle anything. Russia could also be trying to accomplish some kind of negotiated settlement. Personally I don't think Putin would sign off on Minsk 3 given how big a fuckup Minsk 2 was. Russia seems to be maintaining some strategic ambiguity. This means the enemy has difficulty planning against you in the long term because they don't know what you are after. But that means it is hard to know when the war will end and why it will end.
You're right that Russia is - quite justifiably - playing its cards close to its chest but I believe their strategic goals have changed. I think to begin with they really did mainly want NATO to back off and Ukraine to be neutral and would have accepted something along those lines. I even believe that a real part of Russia's motives may even have been to protect ethnic Russians from the abuses of the Kiev government following the coup in 2014. I don't think at the outset it was actually their goal to seize everything East of the Dnieper and I'm still not certain they'd actually hold out for that if negotiations were on the table.

Case in point the initial strike at Kiev. This was a small clusterfuck and it doesn't seem likely to me that they would have held the city and I'm sure they know that better than I. It was part of an initial shock attack to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table. And it would have worked if Boris Johnson hadn't stuck his nose in things and promised Zelensky and his backers anything they needed to defeat Russia. (Or if Zelenksy and his backers hadn't stupidly believed Perfidious Albion). So their behaviour at the outset seemed very much more orientated around bringing Ukraine to the negotiating table and protecting the Russian areas of the Ukraine. Now? With how far things have gone - the US destroying their pipelines, Western govts. handing over a shocking amount of weapons and with boots on the ground and the NATO playing a game of "nuh-uh, they took their uniforms off, not us" with Russia, I think even Putin (who would love peace with the West) has recognized that the only lasting peace will be one of new borders.


I've said this before, but I genuine;y do not think a false flag would work out how they hope it would. Zoomers, for all their faults, are not joining the military and I have to assume that people who are already in are probbaly planning to get out sooner than later before a big war can break out. People have heard the horror stories about Iraq and Afghanistan and aren't as hopped up on Mountain Dew and Call of Duty as before enough to think they can make a difference. TikTok has won the propaganda war with teenagers and college kids.

A false flag at this point would be way too blatant.
I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment of the demographics (though I think it's easy to be misled by the high visibilty of the TikTok crowd - I've met plenty of current gen kids who are pretty normal and sorted). But I think you misunderstand how convincing a false flag has to be to be useful. You set the bar way too high. Nobody I knew really believed that Iraq had WMD and even if they did the view was that they were old, decaying maybe gas weapons, not some horrifying doomsday stuff. We all pretty much knew it was a lie. The purpose of the lies about Iraq's WMD were to (a) provide a legal basis for war so that those wanting it couldn't be held up by any legal issues and (b) to make the conversation about whether or not Iraq had WMD (something very hard to prove a negative) rather than whether or not Iraq had oil. Same principle was behind the more actual false flag (in that use of WMD was claimed rather than merely possession) with Syria and that "gas attack" that the White Helmets got involved in.

There are some false flags that are effective in terms of the deceit. Sometimes. But a lot of the time their purpose is simply because the Prime Minister or the US president can't stand up before the people and say "we want their stuff". They have to say "we are defending against these terrible crimes." They know they're lying, foreign nations know they're lying and a lot of the domestic audience know they're lying. But it's easier to deflect opposition if you're making them say "this evidence has holes in it" than if that opposition is saying "it's monstrous to kill a million people so you can maintain hegemony and oil prices". And not least because some of the people will choose to believe it because they support the govt. or think its opponents are evil so now you have your opponents debating and arguing with your adherents rather than having a clear path of argument to you. You wont get those adherents shutting down opposition if those adherents are only able to say "it's okay to steal billions of barrels of Syrian oil". Your adherents need you to give them something like "Assad is gassing his people".

So in summary and again, you're setting the bar way too high for how many people need to believe a false flag, for that false flag to be useful.

If NATO is about to actually go in to direct engagement in Ukraine, if the US leadership really decide they're okay with that, then you will see a false flag.

(EDIT: I mean a new false flag. Bucha was over a year ago, a false flag needs to be fresh in the people's minds).
 
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The US military denied these claims about missles being scrapped at a press conference yesterday. Daniel Rice is a former US soldier (west point) and combat zone hustler. Years ago he was doing a private equity fund in Iraq. Ben Hodges is a former US general (Commander Europe) who in retirement says foolish things about Ukraine.

I have pondered what the Russian strategic goals for this war are and while I can guess something like taking everything east of the Dnieper it is just a guess. They could be trying to attrition Ukraine down over years until Ukraine is too weak to give meaningful resistance and then mobilize and take everything Russia has interest in like Odessa and Transnistria. Russia could also be just trying to take the Donbas and the oblasts they held the referendums on and then have a ceasefire that doesn't settle anything. Russia could also be trying to accomplish some kind of negotiated settlement. Personally I don't think Putin would sign off on Minsk 3 given how big a fuckup Minsk 2 was. Russia seems to be maintaining some strategic ambiguity. This means the enemy has difficulty planning against you in the long term because they don't know what you are after. But that means it is hard to know when the war will end and why it will end.

In the 2022 negotiations, the Russians goals were:

1) Recognition of the Russian annexation of Crimea by Ukraine.
2) An end to the Donbas War. The seperation of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts from Ukraine at a minimum. Though at this point recognition of their becoming part of Russia will be necessary.
3) A set of assurances concerning Crimea and the rivers north of it. Though this has grown to become recognition of part of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts becoming part of Russia.
4) Ukraine not becoming part of NATO.

They understand the mistakes of Minsk 2 I think and have no interest in any deal along similar lines. They will only negotiate a comprehensive end to the war. They are very unlikely to agree to a simple "ceasefire" deal in the war.

Informally its been said that the war will continue and the war aims will expand until Ukraine and its sponsors are willing to negotiate.
 
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They understand the mistakes of Minsk 2 I think and have no interest in any deal along similar lines. They will only negotiate a comprehensive end to the war. They are very unlikely to agree to a simple "ceasefire" deal in the war.
I don't see how whatever is left of Ukraine can be allowed any kind of nat'l military whatsoever when this is over. To do so is only inviting this same mess again in the future. The only way to ensure it doesn't would be to destroy any war-making eqpt as it crosses the border into Ukraine.
 
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