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Why is the DNC even talking about this? We all know the party gets to have the final say on who shall be the candidate. Just let the NH people have their little vote. It means nothing.
The solution you provided makes perfect sense to anyone who isn't stuck so far up their own assholes they can give themselves a colonoscopy just by opening their eyes.
 
Folks, suggest someone has decided Biden won't run again.

Don't watch TV but visit msn.com and Yahoo. These days seeing a lot of stories about Biden not faring well against President Trump, stories attacking Biden's performance in office, etc. The usual alternatives are named, such as Harris, Whitmer, and Newsom.

Don't be surprised by anything that happens.
 
This of course paves the way for an actual Fascist Dictator who will use the Trump ideology/discontent that builds up to tear down what ever is left of American institutions and balmo! we're back to the 1800's level of autocracy if we're lucky but with nifty new AI based algorithms that actually can monitor what everyone says and does thanks to all that lovely technology we cannot live without. And with the every improving systems the average Joe is now just not necessary for the elites to live like kings and so what use will they be? What will be the average Joe's place in this new economy? Take your best guess based on what the elites do now and imagine what they will do when they have no silly limits like laws or courts or constitutions.
And if we get a Fascist, the next people in power will be the left. Because the public will be sick and tired of the right's rule. If you look at various South American countries, and Spain, its usually marxist leftists that get power after a dictatorship. The left's dreams will come true because the Fascist Dictator will have already taken all the human rights away that the left want to do in the first place. But now, they get to keep em in the name of equity and what not.

I hate to say it, but Biden would be the better choice. Sure, if he wins back the house and senate they'll still take our rights away. But at least it'll be pinned on his admin rather than whoever comes after Trump.


I don't really know at this point. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Fascism is basically Communism: the same in kind but different in degree. If we do get a dictator, it might be in the name of Christian Nationalism. The left has been building them up as a boogyman lately. And there is a movement by that name on the rise.


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Folks, suggest someone has decided Biden won't run again.

Don't watch TV but visit msn.com and Yahoo. These days seeing a lot of stories about Biden not faring well against President Trump, stories attacking Biden's performance in office, etc. The usual alternatives are named, such as Harris, Whitmer, and Newsom.

Don't be surprised by anything that happens.
Or they just plan to leave Trump holding the bag for the coming disaster of a year
 
So I’d love to hear your thoughts on his arguments and likelihood of success?
I personally believe in that argument. It seems silly to me to attempt to rebuke it with outlandish hypotheticals. If the President is murdering his rivals, he’s not going to get indicted. Either DoJ is working with him, or they get killed too.

It is undeniable that the President has immunity. Historically whenever exceptions to such immunity were presented it was either because the President did not act in his official capacity, or with the case of the subpoenas, because at the time of the founding it was commonly accepted that liability to a subpoena was one of the differences between a King and a President. This was further affirmed by 5th and 6 Amendments which the Supreme Court cited (in part) as the reasons for its decision in the Nixon case.

It is not outlandish to say that Trump could be indicted for financial fraud. It is less believable that he could be indicted for Jan 6th. It is well established that one of the President’s duties is “faithfully executing the laws” and “preserv[ing], protect[ing] and defend[ing]the Constitution of the United States” (Article 2, Section 1 and 3, but also Trump v. Vance, 140 S. Ct. 2412, 207 L. Ed. 2d 907 (2020), United States v. United States District Court, 407 U.S. 297, 92 S. Ct. 2125 (1972)). Trump contends that he was executing this duty by pointing out illegal votes and encouraging a protest to ensure the people’s rights aren’t subverted, and the Constitution isn’t harmed, by illegal votes.

Whether or not you believe in fraud, there is undeniable evidence that there were significant amount of illegal votes that were pseudo-legalized by unconstitutional actions of courts, election officials, and so on, actions that the states’ Supreme Court has deemed to be unconstitutional (Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Delaware). I find that it’s pretty reasonable to believe that Trump’s actions were official conduct in executing his duties, and protected by Presidential immunity.

Trump’s lawyers posits that the Impeachment clause allows prosecution of a President when convicted by the Senate thereby in turn creating a protection for a President who has not. This theory as mentioned has never been so applied to any other party subject to a Impeachment, but nevertheless seems reasonable. The Constitution mentions only one way to deal with a President that has committed a crime, Impeachment. It is both a gift to the People (originally House of Representatives and Senate were divided as Populists of the People in the House, and representatives of the States in the Senate), but also a restriction upon the entire Congress. It would be nonsensical if Congress’ arm of enforcement (DoJ) could somehow bypass the Impeachment clause. This is further supported by Supreme Court’s holding that the Impeachment powers (change Trump for a federal Judge) could not be resolved by the Courts

I truly believe that there is at least two immunities protecting Trump (as it relates to Jan6th). I believe both will fail in the District and Appellate Courts, but at least the former will succeed in SCOTUS
 
Folks, suggest someone has decided Biden won't run again.

Don't watch TV but visit msn.com and Yahoo. These days seeing a lot of stories about Biden not faring well against President Trump, stories attacking Biden's performance in office, etc. The usual alternatives are named, such as Harris, Whitmer, and Newsom.

Don't be surprised by anything that happens.
The DNC is also encouraging state parties to submit Biden as the uncontested nominee and is actively bullying states that aren't playing nice like New Hampshire.
There's lots of talk among media talking heads about an alternative b/c everyone with two braincells to rub together can see that Biden is perhaps the best candidate to put forward if the goal is for Trump to Grover Cleveland his way into a second term, but the party's actual actions point out that they're ride or die with Biden.
 
Biden is perhaps the best candidate to put forward if the goal is for Trump to Grover Cleveland his way into a second term
What's the alternative? There's maybe 1 or 2 people in the country that could step up and compete with Trump right now, and they would be starting at a disadvantage due to the constant insistence that Biden is perfectly healthy and fit for a 2nd term. They've propped him up so hard that it would be impossible to change candidates without their base questioning it, even the growing number that want him out.

The best option is probably to lose gracefully and start rebuilding for '28 now that DeSantis has proven to the populist base that he's a fool. The future of the party post-Trump is still pretty unclear.
 
What's the alternative? There's maybe 1 or 2 people in the country that could step up and compete with Trump right now, and they would be starting at a disadvantage due to the constant insistence that Biden is perfectly healthy and fit for a 2nd term. They've propped him up so hard that it would be impossible to change candidates without their base questioning it, even the growing number that want him out.

The best option is probably to lose gracefully and start rebuilding for '28 now that DeSantis has proven to the populist base that he's a fool. The future of the party post-Trump is still pretty unclear.

They worked themselves into a hysteria and are now trapped by their own scheming. They made to many deals and put to many eggs in one basket and cannot change course.
 
Dear feeder suggested on Twitter what they're doing is using DEI to prop up shit work and destroy the West while bringing in infinite ethics so we have a nice balkanization incident across ethnic lines (even if they have to import ethnics to do it) instead of a US Civil War where the US survives intact. I wonder what happens if they get a chance to replace us all with very, very stupid chatbots before then.
They want domestic civil strife and wars with Russia and Yemeni goat herders and keep funding Israel.

There is no consistency anywhere.
 
So all those Law & Order episodes where the defense attorney impugned the system in their closing argument and the judge sat there allowing it to happen were lies?! Why didn't Sam Waterston or Michael Moriarty or Richard Brooks or any of those cute little women ADAs do something about it?! My faith in Dick Wolf has been shattered, it's over L&Obros...
I preferred the arguments in Boston Legal. They're just as confrontational and aggressive, but there's more pop. More pizaz. Just more creativity. A long build up, through apparently unrelated issues and then boom! Shot! Right in the kisser!

Denny Crane.
 
Why is the DNC even talking about this? We all know the party gets to have the final say on who shall be the candidate. Just let the NH people have their little vote. It means nothing.
It made sense that the DNC would shuffle around primary to benefit Biden when there was the possibility he would have a competent opponent(RFK Jr, Newsom, etc). Now that we're in too deep for someone to contest him in the primaries I wonder why they're still bothering to piss off their own voters in a potential swing state. Maybe this is evidence of a behind the scenes civil war between the Biden camp and more progressive elements? The black vote in SC secures him enough of a lead that hippie whites in NH don't bother voting for Marianne?

Like others have mentioned, if the goal is to hand it to Biden or a replacement at the convention this only hurts the party in the short term. Could it be a long term play putting progressives at a disadvantage in the 2028 primary?
 
I preferred the arguments in Boston Legal. They're just as confrontational and aggressive, but there's more pop. More pizaz. Just more creativity. A long build up, through apparently unrelated issues and then boom! Shot! Right in the kisser!

Denny Crane.
Isn't that the series where William Shatner asks the woman attorney if she got turned on by breastfeeding and she was like oh god yes every time
 
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