War North Korea's Kim Jong Un abandons unification goal with South - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has said unification with the South is no longer possible, and that the constitution should be changed to designate it the "principal enemy".

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Kim Jong Un met Russian leader Vladimir Putin in September

North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has said unification with the South is no longer possible, and that the constitution should be changed to designate it the "principal enemy".

Mr Kim also said three organisations dealing with reunification would shut down, state media KCNA reported.

South Korea's president said it would respond "multiple times stronger" to any provocation from the North.

The two Koreas have been divided since the Korean War ended in 1953.

They did not sign a peace treaty and therefore have remained technically still at war ever since.

In a speech delivered at the Supreme People's Assembly - North Korea's rubber-stamp parliament - Mr Kim said that the constitution should be amended to educate North Koreans that South Korea is a "primary foe and invariable principal enemy".

He also said that if a war breaks out on the Korean peninsula, the country's constitution should reflect the issue of "occupying", "recapturing" and "incorporating" the South into its territory.

Mr Kim - who replaced his father, Kim Jong-il, as North Korean leader in 2011 - said the North "did not want war, but we also have no intention of avoiding it", according to KCNA.

He said he was taking a "new stand" on north-south relations, which included dismantling all organisations tasked with reunification.

Speaking to his cabinet on Tuesday, South Korean President Yoon Suk Yeol said that if the North carried out a provocation, the South "will retaliate multiple times stronger", pointing to the South Korean military's "overwhelming response capabilities".

Dr John Nilsson-Wright, who heads the Japan and Koreas Programme at Cambridge University's Centre for Geopolitics, described Mr Kim's remarks as "unprecedented", and said it was "highly unusual" for a North Korean leader to depart from the policy of unification.

"It's not unusual for relations between the North and South to cool, but this has taken the relationship in a different direction," he told the BBC.

He added that Mr Kim's anti-Western stance can be traced back to the 2019 summit with then-US President Donald Trump in Vietnam, which ended without an agreement.

"This has been an acute disappointment and loss of face for Kim," Dr Nilsson-Wright said.

Heightened tensions​

Mr Kim's comments came as relations significantly weakened on the Korean Peninsula in recent months.

In November, North Korea fully suspended a five-year military deal with the South aimed at lowering military tensions. It promised to withdraw all measures "taken to prevent military conflict in all spheres including ground, sea and air", and said it would deploy more forces to the border region.

The South had partly suspended the agreement days earlier after Mr Kim claimed to have successfully launched a spy satellite into space.

The rhetoric - and provocative actions - from the North have only escalated since then.

At year-end policy meetings, Mr Kim said he needed to "newly formulate" the North's stance towards inter-Korean relations and reunification policy, adding that the stated goal was to "make a decisive policy change" related to "the enemy".

He also threatened a nuclear attack on the South, and called for a build-up of his country's military arsenal.

The North has also launched missiles in recent weeks, as well as live-fire exercises close to South Korean territory.

In a report published last week for 38 North, a US-based organisation with a focus on North Korea, former State Department official Robert Carlin and nuclear scientist Siegfried S Hecker said they saw the situation on the Korean Peninsula as "more dangerous than it has ever been" since the start of the Korean War in 1950.

"That may sound overly dramatic, but we believe that, like his grandfather in 1950, Kim Jong Un has made a strategic decision to go to war," it said.

"We do not know when or how Kim plans to pull the trigger, but the danger is already far beyond the routine warnings in Washington, Seoul and Tokyo about Pyongyang's 'provocations'."

It added that it did not see the "war preparation themes" in North Korean media as "typical bluster".

Dr Nilsson-Wright agreed and said the "risk of escalation should be taken seriously".

Meanwhile North Korea's Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui is in Russia where she is expected to meet President Vladimir Putin.

The two countries have boosted ties recently, with both isolated by Western powers, and last September Mr Kim visited Russia where he met Mr Putin.

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There are a couple of lines of theory being thrown around by Nork watchers regarding this pretty radical change. The big ones being that this is him trying to distance himself from the legacy of his father and grandfather as he changes the direction the country is headed in and prepares for succession, and/or that this marks a strategic shift by Un because he believes it is pointless to engage with South Korea or the United States peacefully anymore. The reliance on a policy of swift and decisive annihilation of the Nork regime should they attack is no guarantee that Un won't act illogically if he feels that's the only option he has left. Sure they'll be destroyed, but how many warheads are going to make it through the ABS bubble around South Korea?
 
Why should he the capitalist pig dog state known as false Korea is already collapsing under its own birth rates
And if they bring in a bunch of sub humans
That will only hasten the collapse all he has to do is sit down and wait and then he will be truly the only leader of Korea
No doubt in my mind the Norks have had this exactly discussion internally. They just have to wait them out.
 
What a joke. SK has twice as many people as NK. The NK GDP is a roundiing error when compared to the South's GDP. South Korea can be considered a developed country, while the North is a basket case. Any reunification on the North's terms was just a pipe dream on the part of Kim Jong Un. Absent the nukes, NK would be an Asian Albania. Nobody would give a flying fuck about NK.

Not worried about a war, NK would lose and the Kims would at best be in exile, at worst pushing up daisies.

Sadly, even reunification on the South's terms will be very difficult, like mating half an apple with half an orange. The South will need a lot of help from other countries to basically rebuild the North. Believe they will get help from the USA, Japan, and maybe Australia/Canada/UK/EU.
 
What a joke. SK has twice as many people as NK. The NK GDP is a roundiing error when compared to the South's GDP. South Korea can be considered a developed country, while the North is a basket case. Any reunification on the North's terms was just a pipe dream on the part of Kim Jong Un. Absent the nukes, NK would be an Asian Albania. Nobody would give a flying fuck about NK.

Not worried about a war, NK would lose and the Kims would at best be in exile, at worst pushing up daisies.

Sadly, even reunification on the South's terms will be very difficult, like mating half an apple with half an orange. The South will need a lot of help from other countries to basically rebuild the North. Believe they will get help from the USA, Japan, and maybe Australia/Canada/UK/EU.
Basically. They can't actually open the borders like the German's did. You'd have to nation build the north for decades before even considering unfettered movement.
 
Basically. They can't actually open the borders like the German's did. You'd have to nation build the north for decades before even considering unfettered movement.
Yup, open things now and Seoul would be inundated with hungry/starving northerners.

Re the Germanies, the East was well off for a Communist country, and the two Germanies never fought each other. Even at that reunification was not easy. NK is very badly off and the two Koreas have fought each other. Reunification will be quantum leaps more difficult.
 
Its certainly a strange shift in their stated intent. Not that reunification on the level of germany was ever a practical goal, even in the long term without massive changes in the north and building of infrastructure on the level north korea isn't capable of even if they wanted to do it, before even attempting something like that. It was always more of a political thing to try to push the idea that they were really one korea being forcibly kept apart by US control of the south. That they would suddenly abandon that long standing political claim makes me wonder what kim is thinking and whether its his real intent or he's being pressured by some generals or members of the government who believe their own propaganda enough to do something stupid, or some kind of desperate change as a result of damage from covid. Its not a good idea to invade the south a second time, there is no way it will end well for the north and the end result would be removing kim and the government, but the end result wouldn't be that far off from a reunified korea anyway. You'd then end up with the south and the US stuck with an occupied north korea and having to support the population enough to prevent them all dying of starvation, which would fuck the south up for quite some time. Its not like they could toss the kims out and refuse to do anything about it and let everybody die, the international community would have their head for it. So even in provoking and losing a war they screw the south one way or another
 
No doubt in my mind the Norks have had this exactly discussion internally. They just have to wait them out.
Yeah I've heard this argument before and I can't say I'm buying it. It sounds good until you realize the North population has minimal access to modern medicine, lives under constant stress of being black-bagged or yet another resource shortage, and is hungry all the damn time. Calling them a third-world country almost does a disservice to current third-world countries, and literally the only reason they still exist is China props them up because they want a buffer state from South Korea. And there's some reason to believe the Chinese are starting to get sick of their shit, and the second the Norths start playing hardball is the second the Chinese pull the plug on that experiment.
 
North Korea at this point just exists as cheap labor for China and Russia. Reunification was never in the cards as they’ve diverged so much from South Korea they are completely different cultures. It’s not even like East vs. West Germany anymore. Reunification was something the North Koreans liked to dangle in hopes of getting more humanitarian aid. But they’ve made this declaration before and in a year or two they will talk about reunification again so this declaration means absolutely nothing.
 
Yup, open things now and Seoul would be inundated with hungry/starving northerners.

Re the Germanies, the East was well off for a Communist country, and the two Germanies never fought each other. Even at that reunification was not easy. NK is very badly off and the two Koreas have fought each other. Reunification will be quantum leaps more difficult.
North Korea's birth rate is slightly below replacement level South Korea's birth rate is critically below replacement level
The Glorious thing about authoritarian countries if you do not reproduce Kim Jong-un and his well-dressed man will come to your house end up do it by force

Your streets could be paved in solid gold but if you do not have people to defend it and all the people you do have to defend it a really old and frail you're going to lose to a younger population of brokies
Good thing the US didn't ship any of its Korean shells to Ukraine!

You can look this shit up in like 2 seconds...

Hail the deal leader
 
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