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[Capsaicin Addict]

The US Army or Marines proper (as opposed to the state guard) could do it.

Could being the operative part: would they want to draw that much high profile attention to the 10 million illegals they've been trying to deny for the past 3 years? Do they want to be seen aiding and abetting invaders?

Pretty much my point. Deploying the U.S. military to aid and abet what amounts to an invasion could be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back.

And considering the desperate pandering to try and fill the ranks, and the push to support The Current Thing (Ukraine, Israel, Red Sea, etc)... do they have the troops and the resources?

 

[mindlessobserver]

They can file criminal charges. Great. Who enforces them? Who can they send to take those officers in the Texas NG into custody? Once again, if you cannot enforce your rules, what power do your rules have?

That is a question better left unanswered unless you are really determined to pay the consequences.

The US Army or Marines proper (as opposed to the state guard) could do it.

Could being the operative part: would they want to draw that much high profile attention to the 10 million illegals they've been trying to deny for the past 3 years? Do they want to be seen aiding and abetting invaders?

Again, its not going to get to that point. You all forgetting the key point here. Will the guard soldiers and the front line disobey a direct order from Biden? For that matter, will Abbot tell them to disobey it? Right now all sides are sending nasty letters, but the scenario you are presenting here isn't accelerationism. Its the car hitting the wall.

 

[dustbuster]

Bear in mind the average dumbass suburban AWFL has no fucking idea the scale of the illegal invasion.
When polled they think it's under 200k a year.

Marching troops in to "put down texas" would definitely change that quick.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

That is a question better left unanswered unless you are really determined to pay the consequences.


Again, its not going to get to that point. You all forgetting the key point here. Will the guard soldiers and the front line disobey a direct order from Biden? For that matter, will Abbot tell them to disobey it? Right now all sides are sending nasty letters, but the scenario you are presenting here isn't accelerationism. Its the car hitting the wall.

Do we look like we're fucking happy with the situation here? I'm not taking any pleasure in this. But our country is run by a pack of retards and they WILL ram the car into the wall to try and preserve their precious power to fuck with you, me, and anyone else outside their circle.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

However if the Feds make a bunch of bluster and noise but ultimately do nothing then what? The SCotUS no longer has any legitimacy as it's rulings can now be ignored if the Fed isn't willing to throw down to back them up. And I feel the Fed would back them up just because there are enough morons in places of power who would see a spate with Texas as a great way to consolidate an increase their own wealth and power and the thought of letting some Redneck Hick getting the better of Uncle Sam is just unthinkable.. Just think how many Dem Drones would cheer on a war with those ebil Red State Natzee's; a war that of course someone else would fight on their behalf as they're far too precious to risk their life fighting for what they believe in. No send in the corn fed Iowa and Virginia boys to go die on their behalf that's the ticket!

The year is 2355 and a historian named X224 is compiling his thoughts into an immersive interactive diorama about the Second American Civil War. X224 has all the data he needs and knows how he'll order the chain of events. But he's stuck on his introduction. He needs an attention grabber that'll hook his audience and make them interested in what he has to say. So after careful thought, he projects the following words into his computer.

They should've built the fucking wall.

 

[mindlessobserver]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

Last I checked, there was no criteria that reads:
(4) The President is unable with regular forces to PREVENT the laws of the United States from being executed by a state

You do realize the third part of that law is such a loop hole any President can drive a tank through it.

 

[dustbuster]

You do realize the third part of that law is such a loop hole any President can drive a tank through it.

Only when you can cite a law you're trying to enforce, not one you're trying to actively break, such as "aiding and abetting illegal immigration", which is a federal crime.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I agree that Biden can indeed Federalize the Texas Nasty Gurls but again what if they just don't follow that order?

To paraphrase a certain dude "You've made your decision, now lets see you enforce it."

 

[mindlessobserver]

I agree that Biden can indeed Federalize the Texas Nasty Gurls but again what if they just don't follow that order?

To paraphrase a certain dude "You've made your decision, now lets see you enforce it."

If they don't obey then its an Insurrection. Like, not in the sense of January 6, in the literal sense. Abbot and Paxton go to Federal "No pounding in the ass" supermax, and the Nasty Gurls get court marshalled.

There is no way I see any of the people involved here disobeying a formal order to vacate. Texas talks big game, but I SERIOUSLY doubt they want to start a war over this.

 

[Gehenna]

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Well, called this several times. Today seems a glorious day for proving some opinions correct. The big threat with Biden's policies has never been people swapping sides, it has been simply people deciding not to vote. Margins in races are often terribly close so people pulling themselves out, especially in a bloc with such high voting rates and thus a relied upon bloc, is absolutely devastating.

of course as we have seen the ballot boxes will be stuffed with their names anyway. So I am kinda mixed on how much this will actually do. But at the very least it means they have even more work to do on a limited budget under high scrutiny. So it puts even more strain on their already flagging machine.

Grifters who are smart enough to know which way the wind is blowing are still smarter than Meatball, every neocon, every National Review writer, and the entire GOP apparatus. Frankly, if we'd had more self-serving cunts who were at least reality-aware enough to know what time it was in 2016, Trump would be finishing up his first term. Instead, retards like Paul Ryan led his fellow retards to war against their entire fucking voting base.

Never throw out the grifters but never trust them either. Cruz will always go where the winds are blowing but that means so long as you hold the power you can rely on his vote.

Between Carson, Flynn, and Vivek for VP, I'll put my uniformed money on Carson. It mirrors his decision with Pence of picking a very religious person to bring the religious folks under his banner. Also he was blatantly trying to pull blacks off the plantation at the end of his first term.

Flynn is also a possibility, a former General would probably go a long way with certain population of conservatives who still worship the military.

I'd say Vivek's odds are about as good as his chance to win the presidency.

You more or less presented them in order of likelihood. I think Vivek has stopped angling for the VP slot because Trump made it clear he wanted someone else. Instead he is now angling for a Cabinet response. ironically the left shot themselves in the foot (again) by releasing that expose on how Trump was talked down from using troops to quell the riots. Presidents who can be talked down and actually listen tot heir advisors are the exception rather than the rule, so that expose just confirmed a cabinet slot is a way to influence Trump and isn't just a rubber stamp machine.

In a related thing, god I hope Musk took note of that. Trump -wants- Musk in his cabinet in either Energy or a vaguely defined Tech role. The man is supremely well connected and increasingly ideologically similar to Trump. They had a falling out when Musk was on an advisory council and Trump left the Paris accords but its kinda been established in parts that Musk realized that was a mistake after. Trump was still pro-renewables, was still okay with reducing emissions, and s proven able to be convinced of contrary opinions. So Musk acted on bad info and assumptions.

Having him in an official role would be a massive boon too. Less for what he can do and more for who he is. A hand offered tot he non-ideologically captured Big Tech factions who are rapidly seeing everything they were promised just die. Getting them on board would present a great chance to actually begin pushing back on the culture front.

Someone on here, I wanna say it was @Gehenna once mentioned how eventually someone was going to tell the fed no and once one order is disobeyed the dominoes start falling. Which is, from my vague remembrance, a historically accurate statement. We very well may see more and more disobedience against the Feds on an exponential scale if things don't change soon. I personally welcome it, even if it upturns our way of life

Myself, @Jaimas , @JosephStalin , and the fella with the furry avatars with the name like "John Doe" have all brought up various elements of the idea that once one governor tells the federal government to sit and spin a lot more are likely to follow suit if the federal government is unable to both stop them and crack down on them.

They now need to both stop this and ensure that everyone even vaguely involved suffers or other people will get their own ideas.

 

[dustbuster]

They now need to both stop this and ensure that everyone even vaguely involved suffers or other people will get their own ideas.

This is where it gets fun.
All those "sanctuary city" and "sanctuary state" rulings get to come marching right back in the back door to haunt them.

 

[Gehenna]

This is where it gets fun.
All those "sanctuary city" and "sanctuary state" rulings get to come marching right back in the back door to haunt them.

Correct. The Sanctuary cities were meant to be a massive virtue signal where the left did this very thing to Trump's admin. A real shame then that that set their own legal precedence. And Texas had taken pains to ensure that this is kept a Texas issue in Texas s those legal arguments will need to start in courts with authority over Texas. Denying the Biden admin the ability to pull this into more favorable courts.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

over in Florida a state house special election went D by 600 or so votes, local chatter is the state party and up did fuckall for the GOP candidate, there's concerns about this shaking out to be a bad hit in local stuff in November since the dems won't really need to bother to run ads for Biden for Florida, so that frees up money for a lot of downballot guys

 

[make_it_so]

Not to derail it but in the general uglification of women, largely being done by ugly women trying to take out their competition, no race has been affected more than black women. We've gone from the days of Holly Robinson Peete and Lark Voorhies to every black woman being at the very least thicc, annoying and stupid.

I think that might be more due to the general ghettofication/hoodratification of American black culture.

 

[not william stenchever]

but I SERIOUSLY doubt they want to start a war over this

The other side wants a retarded technocratic autocracy so that they can crush their enemies and raise up their stooges at will. I think that if we want a free society under the Constitution of the United States of America we're going to have to focus on what we need at this point.

 

[FunPosting101]

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Motherfuckers projecting so hard they could host their own major motion picture over here, goddamn.

 

[FrigginWeeb]

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[Romulus augustulus]

Lets ignore the legalities of the Texas situation for a minute and look at the political side of it:

If Biden federalizes the national guard and orders their withdrawal, it would be supremely bad optics. it will be on video tape, on the news, on social media, in trump 2024 ads, it will be everywhere because its perfect campaign fodder. I think doing that could singularly lose him this election. he'd be fucked. it would be stark proof of the administrations aiding and abetting of the invasion in writing. a huge inflection point on the whole immigration issue and political self-immolation!

 

[FunPosting101]

If they don't obey then its an Insurrection. Like, not in the sense of January 6, in the literal sense. Abbot and Paxton go to Federal "No pounding in the ass" supermax, and the Nasty Gurls get court marshalled.

There is no way I see any of the people involved here disobeying a formal order to vacate. Texas talks big game, but I SERIOUSLY doubt they want to start a war over this.

Everything you've said in this thread so far has been reasonable enough, but personally I think that the Texas state government knows that the Federal Government doesn't want to have to do anything at all in this scenario other than rely on the federal courts, which may prove to be unreliable in this instance.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

They just cannot fucking stop

In a letter to Noah Bishoff - who was a former FinCEN Director (Financial Crimes Enforcement Network) - and now an Anti Money Laundering (AML) officer at fintech company Plaid, Inc. Jordan described situations in which Americans buying bibles or shopping at sporting good stores might find their transactions flagged.

New documents obtained by the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government reveal that the federal government flagged terms like "MAGA" and "TRUMP" for financial institutions if Americans used those phrases when completing transactions. Individuals who shopped at stores like Cabela's or Dick's Sporting Goods, or purchased religious texts like a bible, may also have had their transactions flagged. This kind of pervasive financial surveillance, carried out in coordination with and at the request of federal law enforcement, into Americans' private transactions is alarming and raises serious concerns about the FBI's respect for fundamental civil liberties. -Judiciary.house.gov

"The Committee and Select Subcommittee have obtained documents indicating that following January 6, 2021, FinCEN distributed materials to financial institutions that, among other things, outline the 'typologies' of various persons of interest and provide financial institutions with suggested search terms and Merchant Category Codes (MCCs) for identifying transactions on behalf of federal law enforcement," reads the letter.

"These materials included a document recommending the use of generic terms like 'TRUMP' and 'MAGA' to 'search Zelle payment messages' as well as a 'prior FinCEN analysis' of 'Lone Actor/Homegrown Violent Extremism Indicators," the letter continues. "According to this analysis, FinCEN warned financial institutions of 'extremism' indicators that include 'transportation charges, such as bus tickets, rental cars, or plane tickets, for travel to areas with no apparent purpose,' or 'the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views.' In other words, FinCEN urged large financial institutions to comb through the private transactions of their customers for suspicious charges on the basis of protected political and religious expression."

The Committee announced that it's seeking interviews with senior intelligence officials, including Bishoff.

The DNC are the good guys everyone!