Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Thanks, that makes sense.

I said Russia couldn't conquer and hold

Got it. Though not sure on how hard it would be to keep western niggercattle in line. They are utterly niggercattle.

The challenge in occupation would be the former soviet block. Angry toilet cleaners and strigoi are bad neighbours.

If they could hold Romania and Poland, there wouldn't be any big hurdles left.

Germany or France, all it would take is 1 le tianmen square to make them mewl and give up. Arabs with AKs hold them practically hostage, a T-34 is deadlier.

So the only western resistance they would get would be online reeing and a dozen wannabe Saint Breiviks at worst.
 
what's needed is manpower and cheap drones, not billion dollar tanks. Which frankly is bad news for the MIC.
and is real bad news for the powers that be because they were under the delusion that they didn't need those stinky hetero cis fuckin white males. They thought they just needed shaniqua to press a button to blow up all the enemies of freedom and democracy.
 
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is there a chance that NATO members will start sending to fight immigrants that refuse to intergrate into their host countries?
 
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Pfff, amateur. Take it one step further and start press-ganging the Russians who fled Russia in the first few months of the war into the Ukrainean army. That will show Putin who is boss, and if somebody complains, say "They would have stayed in Russia if they agreed with Putin, so this is their chance to fight him for real and make a difference".

This way you will bolster Ukraine AND kill more Russians. Hire me, Atlantic Council.
 
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I think you're underselling the French, and the Bongs still have some formations that are actually worth a damn.
They're all a joke. They have no logistics capabilities to supply their paltry forces. Poland or even Germany might as well be on the fucking moon.

Pfff, amateur. Take it one step further and start press-ganging the Russians who fled Russia in the first few months of the war into the Ukrainean army. That will show Putin who is boss, and if somebody complains, say "They would have stayed in Russia if they agreed with Putin, so this is their chance to fight him for real and make a difference".

This way you will bolster Ukraine AND kill more Russians. Hire me, Atlantic Council.
I guarantee you this idea has been floated.
 

A hyper-mobilized, hyper-illiberal revisionist power with a deep pool of trained military manpower and a deep sense of greivance was what Zelensky envisioned the future of Ukraine to be after the war in his "Big Israel" comments.

The guy who wrote that piece (Hal Brands) is the Kissinger Professor of Global Affairs at Johns Hopkins. He is personally funded in everything he does by a long list of US and international think tanks funded by defense contractors.

He infamously wrote a long article about how the defense budget was progressive and how progressives should come to see increased defense spending as a means to social change.
 
I knew Hillary was basically guaranteeing a war with Russia, but how do you explain in 2012 when Mitt Romney said Russia was the biggest threat to the US, and Obama, the media, and the entirety of the left constantly mocked him about it. I suppose it was too early to show their hand, and any chance to shit on Romney was exploited. Then again, Obama had his hot mic moment with Putin around that time where he told Pootie to be patient and that he could be more flexible with Russia once the election was over. I seriously doubt Obama and Hillary are on opposite ends of that issue.

Putin and Bush didn't get along, and since America increasingly sees the entire world through the lens of our own partisan battles, in the 00s, the liberal consensus was Bush Bad, Russia Good. In the 00s, the libs hated Bush with a burning passion. He was Hitler. He was Not My President. And of course, every lib was an election denier who claimed Gore ACKSHUALLY won Florida despite him winning exactly zero out of three recounts, and that he was totally gonna win the fourth until the Supreme Court STOLE it. My increasingly insane leftist friend (who later trooned out) was obsessed with Russia and how much more enlightened it was than America during this time.

By 2012, it was still largely the belief of S-M-R-T people that being remotely concerned about Russia is something only dummy stupid doo-doo heads stuck in the past (i.e. Republicans) do. After all, their only aircraft carrier is a rusty pile of shit that randomly bursts into flames.

What changed between 2012 and 2016? Well, the biggest event was that America color revolutioned Ukraine to get our hands on Crimea, and then Russia successfully grabbed that sweet, juicy peninsula right from under our noses, using the classic American trick of invading a country and saying it totally doesn't count because the country they invaded couldn't do shit about it, while all America could do was cope, seethe, and dilate. Then we backed a revolution in Syria and even invaded them to steal their oil fields (I guess to build a gas pipeline or something), but Russia this time gave the government enough material support that it successfully fended off the terrorists we were arming, mostly because the Russians gave Assad big boy weapons, and we weren't exactly going to give Al Qaeda cruise missiles or tanks. They were supposed to defeat Assad and genocide the Christians & Alawites using infantry weapons only.

So by 2016, the Dem establishment could see that Romney was right. Any time the US stuck its fingers into some third world shitbucket to steal its oil, gold, and children protect democracy, Russia was proving increasingly capable of stuffing a color revolution right back down our throats when their own interests were threatened, such as having a place to park their rusty shitbucket carrier in Syria.

When it was Her Turn in 2016, Hilldawg was ready to send the full might of the U.S. military into Syria to democracy Assad the way we did to Hussein. Obama was already taking steps to prepare Ukraine to invade Crimea, and obviously that would have continued under the Slay Kween. Problem is Trump won, and Trump is a Peace Through Superior Firepower guy, not a Stick Our Dick In Every Blender We Find guy, so that delayed things by four years.
 
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Nice Estonian surname... regular Uradel...

Jaak's been in the news for wrongthink and heilarious comments but most libs will probably agree with him on this one. But if he opens his mouth about the other refugees then they'll go nuts because they can't stand the sight of a crowded street without Non-White faces, instant diarrhea eateries and people playing shitty ethnic music.
I guarantee you this idea has been floated.
I may need a Kiwi who chose the path of reading a shit ton about WW2 after reaching lvl 30 but not even those Jap citizens considered enemy aliens were thrown into the thick of it if memory serves. I remember hearing that the Mr. Miyagis were all volunteers.
 
I may need a Kiwi who chose the path of reading a shit ton about WW2 after reaching lvl 30 but not even those Jap citizens considered enemy aliens were thrown into the thick of it if memory serves. I remember hearing that the Mr. Miyagis were all volunteers.
There have been a number of pro-ukrop Russian formations floating around on twitter, but I suspect those to simply be psyop formations used to demoralize Russian soldiers.
Far worse are the saboteurs and traitors within Russia herself.
 
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They deserve credit for not collapsing in 2022 as a military.

What carried the day for Ukrainians was that on Russia's part. This was a half-arsed attempt at an invasion especially in terms of an invasion force which lacked in number of areas, especially manpower

The combat footage and some OOB documents Ukrainians captured showcased how thin the manpower within the force was. I said this before here. For example A 20-31 tanks strong tank battalion, had a infantry support consisted of 24-26 men or less. Or a infantry company having it's rifle squads with 5-6 men strong including in some case including the vehicle crew. Which is fucking bad like really bad.

All this made worse by Russians capturing significant size of Ukraine. Stretching their force thinner.


This is what also made Kharkov a failure. And giant traffic jam down towards the Kiev (which was slowly picked apart by Ukrainian light maneuver elements, drones and artillery) a thing.

As there was need for manpower and the commanders started stripping rear services and send them to the infantry to bolster the infantries numbers

Hence also why there was only one push over one main road. Because there was not enough infantry to secure even that while having anything left to actually fight their way through towards Airborne and Spetsnaz at Gostomel.

And why the traffic jam happend. Which in a huge part wasn't helped by the now rear services that were stripped of manpower and were at the skeleton strength as such to a point they couldn't manage shit.

It is why there was so many abandoned vehicles. And shit.


Not to say there weren't other fucking issues beside manpower like i said above. And i have said here previously. And this goes for the entire ground force of Russia. Recce assist are lacking for the ground troops. In general not enough trained drivers and mechanics, etc, etc


However in regard to this operation in Ukraine.

If the force sent was equipped and manned to the level so that deployed units were at least close to full strength, they would have able to push all the way through Kiev and while occupation would most likely still be out of the picture because of active Ukrainian resistance. The force sent to Kiev would be able to overrun all the Ukrainian artillery and all the scraps that Ukrainians had around to throw at them.

But alas, operation went in half-assed with a lot of Potemkin villages masquerading as combat units.


The only saving grace here is. Is that the Russians still managed to bleed the Ukrainians to such degree. That the Ukrainians again already need to mobilize and mobilize and re-equip themselves.

And couldn't really take advantage of Russians pulling back and shortening their lines and digging in. While waiting for they're own mobilized manpower.
 
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Thanks, that makes sense.



Got it. Though not sure on how hard it would be to keep western niggercattle in line. They are utterly niggercattle.

The challenge in occupation would be the former soviet block. Angry toilet cleaners and strigoi are bad neighbours.

If they could hold Romania and Poland, there wouldn't be any big hurdles left.

Germany or France, all it would take is 1 le tianmen square to make them mewl and give up. Arabs with AKs hold them practically hostage, a T-34 is deadlier.

So the only western resistance they would get would be online reeing and a dozen wannabe Saint Breiviks at worst.
I could imagine Russia possessing a sphere of influence within Europe.

However I suspect conquering a place is rather difficult. Perhaps Europeans are ruled over so terribly that a foreign invader would actually have popular support. It happened to Rome in the very end.

But I don't think this time period is really a time Russia goes on massive conquests and military adventures. I suspect this is a time Russia rebuilds itself while being strong enough to maintain its interests near to it.

There are interesting development in regards to Russian Demographics and I'd say Russia is one of the places that is the closest to solving the urbanization problem which all countries face.
 
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