EU European Parliament backs resolution calling for suspending Hungary's EU voting rights - "If 26 members, agree that a breach is occurring, a qualified majority of the Council can suspend some of Hungary's membership rights, including voting rights, under Article 7.3 until all duties are fulfilled."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/european-parliament-backs-resolution-calling-for-suspending-hungarys-eu-voting-rights/ar-AA1nbSVj

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The European Parliament supported on Jan. 18 the resolution calling on the European Council and member states to suspend Hungary's voting rights, said Petri Sarvamaa, a senior member of the European Parliament (MEP).

Earlier this month, Sarvamaa launched a petition to remove some of Budapest's membership rights due to the country's "erosion of the rule of law" and obstructive behavior in the face of EU consensus building.

The resolution, supported by 345 MEPs with 104 voting against and 29 abstaining, calls on the European Council to examine whether Hungary is committing a "serious and persistent breach" of the bloc's values under Article 7.2 of the EU treaty.

If 26 members, excluding the 27th member who is under consideration, agree that a breach is occurring, a qualified majority of the Council can suspend some of Hungary's membership rights, including voting rights, under Article 7.3 until all duties are fulfilled.

"The European Parliament has done its part; now it's up to Member States to follow through," Sarvamaa said on the social media platform X.

Earlier this week, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico, who is considered close to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, said he would fight against any attempts to restrict Hungary's EU rights. Bratislava's opposition could prevent consensus on Article 7.2.

Both Fico and Orban have repeatedly criticized Western support for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia. Hungary also blocked the EU's long-term budget, including 50 billion euro ($54 billion) for Kyiv, during a European Council summit in December.

This aid is especially crucial now for Ukraine as assistance from the U.S. of over $60 billion remains stalled by domestic political infighting.

EU leaders are to reconvene to vote on the budget on Feb. 1. European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that the bloc is prepared to provide support for Ukraine even without Hungary's approval.

The EU Parliament's resolution condemned Hungary for blocking the funds. It also threatened legal action over the European Commission's decision to unfreeze over 10 billion euros (roughly $11 billion) for Budapest ahead of the December summit.

The European Commission said that the decision was taken strictly due to procedural reasons, namely due to judicial reforms undertaken by Hungary.

Although Orban blocked the funding for Ukraine, he allowed other EU leaders to reach a consensus on accession talks with Kyiv by leaving the room during a key vote.

 

[Tismguide]

I'm a little naive here perhaps, but what is the reasoning behind even being able to suspend someone's voting rights? If the other members all disagree then there's no need to suspend the rights because that member will be outvoted.

Well for one thing, it provides a fig leaf to let members pretend they are voting on "principle". For example, say you publicly oppose shoveling more money into Ukraine: you probably don't want to vote in favor of that, but perhaps you are also a strong believer in "democracy". Think "principled" "conservatives" like Mitt Romney, John McCain, etc in the US. It provides the "dignity" in "losing with dignity".

 

[No. 7 cat]

This will go nowhere, but Orbán (another east European commie since childhood posing as trad for retards) just wants more unaudited EU aid administered by him, his family and friends. Politicians.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

I'm a little naive here perhaps, but what is the reasoning behind even being able to suspend someone's voting rights? If the other members all disagree then there's no need to suspend the rights because that member will be outvoted.

EU needs total affirmation (all 27) for certain major votes, so Hungary can veto things on its own. By stripping Hungary of voting rights, it will be easier for Brussels to rule by simple majority.

 

[Snekposter]

Ways are therefore being sought to put the AfD in its place.

Christ, the way that's phrased really says all you need to know about modern Germany.

EU needs total affirmation (all 27) for certain major votes, so Hungary can veto things on its own. By stripping Hungary of voting rights, it will be easier for Brussels to rule by simple majority.

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You know, I have to wonder in which reality the EU thinks this will actually do anything constructive instead of convincing Orban to get even deeper in bed with Russia.

 

[WonderWino]

Oh yeah, you thought that was enough.
Well here I am to tell you that we've also banned the plastic straws so now you have to drink from dissolving paper and we're even going to ban and babyproof your old milk-package caps because we don't even trust you will put your caps in the trashcan anymore.

Wait WHAT?!

That'll piss off armies of 90s pog players who are trying to bring it back

That said, this is a real bad look for the EU

 

[UnfOrtuNatE BaskEtt]

they will bitch n argue, but never leave; they like being a net recipient….

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I'm a little naive here perhaps, but what is the reasoning behind even being able to suspend someone's voting rights? If the other members all disagree then there's no need to suspend the rights because that member will be outvoted.

You could, fairly, call it the "in case of Hitler" clause.
The intent is that there may come a time when somehow a candidate who represents a genuine threat to the stability of Europe comes into power in a country that has EU voting rights. Understandably you don't want one rogue country causing carnage with veto powers. A veto is different from a vote, as @Buttigieg2020 says certain decisions can be vetoed by one party alone. Which was also part of the intent, since the EU was meant to be a coalition not a democracy of nations. By giving each member a veto it gave them a veneer of self control. Especially when a couple of members stood together as shown with many news articles screaming about X state is defying the EU because Y state stands with them and they will both veto any bills impacting the other.

There are however a few problems. Top of the list being good old George Soros who proposed using financial controls to be used as the tool to whip dissenting EU members back into line and to vote in politicians that would obey. Which seemed like a great idea up until the point where people realised that meant that claiming oligarchs were attempting to interfere in the democratic process was no longer a conspiracy theory, no matter how many people were banned from the internet for saying so. Add to that the current Poland stuff where their laws are being aggressively violated after that method was used and there's a lot of EU members who are ticked.

Another fun one is what I like to call the Germany clause. Not because it's unique to them but because they're both a prominent EU member and one that often claims to be siding strongly with the Eu decisions while sending cases to their courts who rule in the most German anal ways possible as is appropriate for how the rules were agreed originally. As such we may see a scenario soon about what happens when an attempt is made to strip voting rights from a member state, another state blocks it and then that state is subject to the same with the EU trying to block the original state from vetoing despite still currently having their voting rights. At that point I suspect Germany will stop it and send it to their courts to rule that's bullshit since it opens up ludicrous degrees of abuse if permitted.

 

[SBG]

Didn't Hungary abstain the other day on some vote to give Ukraine aid and then get a bunch of money tossed their way?

Seems like Hungary is just acting like this to ensure other countries have to fuck around showering them with money. So seems reasonable the other countries are getting fed up with the nigger-tier behavior.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Didn't Hungary abstain the other day on some vote to give Ukraine aid and then get a bunch of money tossed their way?

Seems like Hungary is just acting like this to ensure other countries have to fuck around showering them with money. So seems reasonable the other countries are getting fed up with the nigger-tier behavior.

Hungary doesn’t want aid for Ukraine that could be better spent on Europe. To resolve this. European Parliament gave Hungarian President 10 billion dollar bribe to step out of the room for coffee while other countries voted. Three days later. the press began reporting that the Parliament was starting to consider removing voting rights from Hungary. And now we are here. You have the veto power, but if you use it, EU will try to strip you of all your rights. I am told this is very democratic (as is bribery, apparently)

 

[BallsOfaKiwi]

Anon, I...

I know "we" get it. But I would just like to be able to strike up a conversation with someone "normal" in public and be able to say "oh yeah, doesn't it suck how we're becoming a dictatorship and everything is a farce?" without them looking at me like Im crazy. Let alone claiming we're already there.

Why do I have to have these conversations only online and with a few select people...

 

[The Connected Nose]

Basic Law: Article 18 states that anyone who abuses freedom of expression, in particular freedom of the press, freedom of teaching, freedom of assembly, freedom of association, secrecy of correspondence, post and telecommunications, property or the right of asylum "in order to fight against the free democratic basic order shall forfeit these fundamental rights".

Freedom of expression with terms and conditions is not freedom at all. "You have this freedom unless you have opinions we disagree with (and the list of those is arbitrary and ever-changing depending on who you are)."

I'm a little naive here perhaps, but what is the reasoning behind even being able to suspend someone's voting rights? If the other members all disagree then there's no need to suspend the rights because that member will be outvoted.

Maintaining the illusion of unity. If you don't let dissenters vote, you can claim everything you ram through is a "unanimous mandate."

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

and we're even going to ban and babyproof your old milk-package caps because we don't even trust you will put your caps in the trashcan anymore.

Mine don't, they get turned into cat toys.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Hungary doesn’t want aid for Ukraine that could be better spent on Europe. To resolve this. European Parliament gave Hungarian President 10 billion dollar bribe to step out of the room for coffee while other countries voted. Three days later. the press began reporting that the Parliament was starting to consider removing voting rights from Hungary. And now we are here. You have the veto power, but if you use it, EU will try to strip you of all your rights. I am told this is very democratic (as is bribery, apparently)

If i was Hungary i would just leave the union and join Russia together with Serbia. Watch them mald. Britain already left

 

[i440BX]

Well. I feel EU is getting desperate. Netherlands, Slovakia, Italy shifted towards populist conservative. Germany is rightfully pissed at the coalition and CSU/AfD is becoming popular.
If not popular conservatives will win, then moderate conservatives will probably start to get popularity.

After storm comes the Sun. I hope...

If EU would have stuck to sound economic policies and dind't get into social illiberal activism, they wouldn't have this issue. Maybe CEE will revive again.

 

[Prester John]

The EU giveth and the EU taketh away.

 

[Alabama Gamer]

If I had a nickel for every time that Hungary was a good ally of Germany, told them something wasn't working out, was forced to compromise and then attacked by their former German ally and pushed under a bus so Berlin could have full control over them because they tried to keep themselves safe I would have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot sure but it is weird how it happened two times.

A friend of mine points out that if you replace "Germany" with "the Germans", it's actually been three times.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Didn't Hungary abstain the other day on some vote to give Ukraine aid and then get a bunch of money tossed their way?

Seems like Hungary is just acting like this to ensure other countries have to fuck around showering them with money. So seems reasonable the other countries are getting fed up with the nigger-tier behavior.

These were standard EU funds that they were meant to get a long time ago you stupid nigger, that were frozen indefinitely because of sth sth undemocratic by electing Orban sth sth right-wing sth sth not liking faggots etc. The EU Commission bribed them with the money they allocated to them already, and IIRC it's still just a portion of it.

Your entire take is based on you being an ignorant nigger, and you're the one crowing about nigger-tier behavior.

 

[Snekposter]

If i was Hungary i would just leave the union and join Russia together with Serbia. Watch them mald. Britain already left

Russia has a lot less money than Germany though.

These were standard EU funds that they were meant to get a long time ago you stupid nigger, that were frozen indefinitely because of sth sth undemocratic by electing Orban sth sth right-wing sth sth not liking faggots etc. The EU Commission bribed them with the money they allocated to them already, and IIRC it's still just a portion of it.

Your entire take is based on you being an ignorant nigger, and you're the one crowing about nigger-tier behavior.

Can't we just agree that they're both cunts? Orban is absolutely chiseling this current situation for all its worth to the point that even before Tusk got put into power the Poles were starting to move away from Hungary, and Germans are just going to be German and fuck things up for everyone unless given firm direction by someone else.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

So the corrupt elitist organization who doesn't take no for an answer, even a democratic vote, also doesn't give a shit about member state voting either. When they won't vote the way you want, stop them from voting. Socked... SHOCKED!

 

[Kankichi Ryotsu]

For a union in the name of democracy, they sure love to put imperialist rules when things don't go their way.

Sounds a lot like Athens in the years leading to the peloponnesian war. It didn't end well for them.