What is your opinion on the Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict? - Keep the other thread focused on the hard facts

[MrJokerRager]

Spamming gore to children and being a huge moralfag about what you can do or not with your money is a good thing to do and will stop all bullets from being fired. Plus, Gaza is so safe right now for LGBTQI+ people that they don't have rooftops to throw queers from. Slava Hamas!

The kind of people who think like that, voted for Biden shipping them all the guns to Israel.

It will be interesting to see if "vote blue no matter who" can save the Democrats this time around.

 

[CWC-in-the-minds]

Spoiler: NSFW

I would like to reiterate my previous opinion of this conflict in a concise and direct manner, if the kind kiwi posters in this humble thread may allow it:

Total Kike Death.

That is it. Thank you.

 

[AgendaPoster]

My opinion is that I don’t like either side at all and I think the land is cursed rather than holy. Palestinians are annoying savages and Jews are well Jews, you know why many dislike them

This is why you need an external force to compel both tribes to submit and become orderly, for the sake of this planet's stability.

 

[Haftag]

This is why you need an external force to compel both tribes to submit and become orderly, for the sake of this planet's stability.

Has there ever been a successful example of that?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Has there ever been a successful example of that?

Yes, against the Reich, Saddam, Ghaddafi etc.
All were taken down by coalitions.
Obviously this one is much trickier cause the US and Jews are bound together, and neither Russia nor China have any desire to be accused of state-level anti-Semitism.
So the idea is not to side with Palestinians or Arabs, just simply find an international solution most countries agree upon, put it in practice and have some long decades of peacekeeping.
The main issues are:
- the Jewish involvement and the sensitivity of anti-Semitism as an accusation
- Israeli nukes
- US being retarded

 

[Haftag]

against the Reich, Saddam, Ghaddafi

But weren't thess essentially taken out by the same US and Jews?

 

[Betonhaus]

Yes, against the Reich, Saddam, Ghaddafi etc

...how are those successful examples? At best those are just cans that have been kicked down the road.

 

[AgendaPoster]

But weren't thess essentially taken out by the same US and Jews?

Not completely. Unless you count the USSR under Stalin a Jewish-led creation for example.
I don't really subscribe to the "everything is Jewish" mindset. Some events are incredibly complex and there are a lot of interests.
Sure, among those, the US, the financial global systems and all sorts of Jewish interests rank high. But at the same time, having the Reich invade you and killing millions of your citizens is not pleasant and might drive you crazy with vengeance. Also smaller countries (like mine) are always thrown into the mix and the do their own influence and lobby, further complicating things. Like Hungary being focused on regaining Transylvania, Romania wanting back Bessarabia and Bukovina, and on and on it goes, and when shit hits the fan you see all sorts of pragmatic realignments and new alliances in pursuit of a desirable goal.
The Anglosphere also has a civilizational bind, it's not explicit, but it's almost a given that the US and England will fight together.
In the Arab world there are also competing tribes and warlords that would happily side with whomever gives them a chance to overthrow some ruling family or monarchy.
I know the tendency is to find an easy culprit for all these events, but I think it's reductive.

...how are those successful examples? At best those are just cans that have been kicked down the road.

Ending WW2 brought (mostly) peace for decades in Europe, unlike any other period in history.
This is geopolitics, not 1+1=2, of course things are complicated.

 

[The best and greatest]

Israelis and Palestinians deserve eachother

Change my mind

 

[GoysGoneWild]

"muh both sides" is just an excuse to be lazy and not figure out what the best outcome is.

Palestinians are quite literally the descendants of the people that have continuously lived in that region for thousands of years now. Every genetic study confirms this. Yes, they are quite literally the descendants of those that stayed behind in the area. They speak Arabic and are Muslims because of ~1400 years of Muslim rule but had a sizable Christian population from when the area was in fact majority Christian from the Roman/Byzantine era. Before that, they were Jewish/Samaritan/some other form of Canaanite.
Israelis are the descendants of immigrants from Europe that started arriving in serious numbers at the turn of the 20th century. They speak a reconstructed Hebrew, and a form of Judaism that developed outside of the area. They have significant Canaanite admixture as well but due to comparatively higher levels of intermarriage through their history in Europe, are genetically different from the native Palestinians.

During the time of the "Old Yishuv", there were comparatively tiny amounts of Jews living in Palestine. They were there for religious reasons and generally had pretty good relations with their neighbors. The good feelings from that time are all long smashed. The modern Israeli state is built on Zionism, an ideology from European Jews. They started migrating there in ever increasing numbers due to secular, political, and economic reasons, not the purely spiritual. The New Yishuv/modern Israel is thus not held in high regard by highly religious Jews, as some of you may know.

Increasing immigration of people intent on statebuilding in your land is not a recipe for peace. Violence between Palestinians and Israelis started for real in the 1920's and spiralled. Eventually the Israelis started getting the upper hand due to tons of foreign money for weapons and political support from the people who (((rule))) western countries. The UN Partition Plan heavily favored the Jews, and Palestinians refused to go along with it. From there the civil war and 1948 happened, and once the Nakhba (mass expulsion of Palestinians from Israeli occupied territory) went down, there was no going back.

You as a native person, whose ancestors have lived in the area for thousands of years, are not obligated to just stand by and yield your country to a group of people who have a fraction of your genetic claim to it.
You are not obligated to follow their political process or their plans for the area.
You are not obligated to "meet them for peace" when they massacre your countrymen and shove the rest of you into ghettos.
You are not obligated to forgive them or play along to anything. Not a "ceasefire" (because they will not cease fire, you have learned this from the past 100 years of dealing with them). Not a "two state solution" (because they will not honor a two state solution, they have demonstrated this clearly over the past 100 years of dealing with them).

The Palestinians are completely morally in the right to fight for what is theirs. They do not hate me as a White person, so I have no issue with them whatsoever. They don't seem to really hate me much at all. They do hate the people that do demonstrably hate me, aka Jews. They hate them and are willing to fight them.

So no, there is no "both sides".

 

[The best and greatest]

This standpoint you offer just means peace is impossible so both sides might as well go for the full completion

 

[GoysGoneWild]

This standpoint you offer just means peace is impossible so both sides might as well go for the full completion

Correct. When faced with eradication, what choice do you have?

 

[The best and greatest]

Correct. When faced with eradication, what choice do you have?

Hey Im not saying your argument is right or wrong, Im only letting you know that in order to make it in this case you have to implicitly endorse someone's genocide.

 

[GoysGoneWild]

Hey Im not saying your argument is right or wrong, Im only letting you know that in order to make it in this case you have to implicitly endorse someone's genocide.

I'm not endorsing anyone's genocide. Personally I am in favor of funding Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to the same amount that we have funded Israel, and then fucking off out of there.

 

[The best and greatest]

I'm not endorsing anyone's genocide. Personally I am in favor of funding Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to the same amount that we have funded Israel, and then fucking off out of there.

And I'm sure you don't think you are, because you're entirely removed from the real world implications of what you're saying.
The implication is someone ultimately loses everything and is destroyed as a people, Israel or Palestine.

And if we're being honest, its most likely Palestine.

 

[Maginot]

May the Israeli diaspora settle in the US or the Russian Jewish Autonomous Oblast. They have far more options than the blockaded slave camp.

 

[Betonhaus]

May the Israeli diaspora settle in the US or the Russian Jewish Autonomous Oblast. They have far more options than the blockaded slave camp.

The US needs to balkanize first, and build a wall around New York city so nobody can leave

 

[Maginot]

Right, but its not because the jews live there. Its the City of New York like the City of London. Its how and where the wealth is administrated to the detriment of the polity that hosts it.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Male Idiot]

Ending WW2 brought (mostly) peace for decades in Europe, unlike any other period in history.
This is geopolitics, not 1+1=2, of course things are complicated

Because both sides were under colonial management by USA/USSR.

Colonies don't tend to fight each other if they got the same coloniser.

It is a rough deal. I do second the claim that it is an accursed hellhole too.