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Is it over?

  • Yes, I am sad and need a Ben backrub :(

    Votes: 336 31.9%
  • No, we will be back, autism too strong

    Votes: 532 50.5%
  • Cams down until we roll into Bloodgames 2

    Votes: 185 17.6%

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    1,053
I also used to have chickens. If there's a such a thing as an ontologically evil creature, it's a chicken.

Also, hilariously enough, they're racist. I know a farmer who has to build a separate pen because the darker colored chickens formed a gang and would corner the paler ones to cannibalize them.
 
Gone and no one bothered to archive it.

I didn't get the archive but I still had it open so here is the screencap. Cropped but uneditied.
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How Tayleigh wasn't given a consolation prize like Letty was is beyond me. Allowing a young, impressionable (autistic?) woman to debase herself while knowing full well you have your "main character" already picked out? It legitimately feels gross to think about. They clearly disliked her for the crime of being.... too much of a fan? Poor girl got fucked over.
Tay had won a significant amount of prize money through the course of the show, she was somewhere near 17k when that asshole challenge came in and stole 4k from her, provided it was real, I suspect it wasn't, and that the other two were just given 2k each for doing it. Shinji had won around 6.5k and if we presume that the 2k he stole from Tay was legit he was at maybe 8.5k before the finale. Sam gave him the Golden Beetle in the finale, but we have no idea if that actually meant anything, the value of the beetle changed so many times that we have no clue what it ended up being. Maybe 10k? So Shinji left with roughly 18k. TJ being the retard he is had only $600 and took 2000 from Tay, only to spend $1000 a day to keep Oliver as his stand in when he was injured. But we have no idea when that agreement terminated since he obviously competed himself. He had to pay $3000 to Fatty for chips in the finale. TJ is just hard to track what he really made, he didn't really do or win much the whole show and had to do a lot of payments and debt to others.

Tay obviously carried the show in terms of entertainment after Jimmy was ejected and was screwed over by production overturning her schemes, but she certainly made a lot and Jet even pointed this out during her elimination speech, she was just the strongest contestant across the whole season, and it took the combined efforts of both the other contestants to stop her, even with both trying to sabotage her the whole way she nearly rallied and eliminated Shinji. It was just shit luck that the rules changed from 1 service per NPC per round to 1 NPC per round which prevented Tay from leveraging her huge stack of chips and the ones she stole from TJ on top the fact she had been getting fleeced with soy taxes over and over the final week any time she laughed or did anything. Remove TJ's free +3 for that fan haircut bullshit and give her back the point she lost for the 'MDE Facts" and you can see it was a very near run affair before the 2 rounds of double curses just obliterated her score.
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Production screwing Tay over so badly and the general unpreparedness in the back half of the season, particularly the final week put a bad taste in my mouth regarding the show and is why I wont watch Season 3 because I have my doubts the crew even recognizing how badly they screwed the pooch to use a pun. I merely watched to the end because I found Shinji, Tay and even Trish to be good contestants and I wanted to see how it turned out for them.
 
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Key difference being that Sam doesn't talk about how much better he is than that and shows genuine appreciation for the audience. Jet spent the time between seasons talking down to fans for not sucking up to him and rewarding fans who showered him in praise while talking highly about himself.
Sam has his demons and sometimes his cynicism, greed, and temper get the better of him, but he seems like a genuine dude who does try to put quality, high effort stuff out and is appreciative that he gets to have the kind of job he has. Sometimes I wonder what "quality" means in his world, and the love/hate relationship he has with his fanbase is off-putting, but the good intentions are there.

Meanwhile, Jet is literally the type of kid that Sam would bitch about in HydeWars, the type of kid that would e-mail him about how he wants to join MDE and how he's this big writer/musician/whatever in the making and he's gonna make it big one day despite being a weed addicted NEET with a fucked up family life and no practical skills or life experience, etc. Except instead of laughing in his face and shutting the door, Sam adopts the kid as his surrogate son and lets him burn through his money and the goodwill of his audience.
Yeah, I like Sam Hyde, and I like fishtank. I watched it til the end cause I truly appreciate the show and want it to get better and I only get frustrated and angry at Jet because I simply care enough to do so. I want it to succeed and not to get shitcanned because of lawsuits. Also shitting on jet is the most cathartic thing ever omg, have you tried it? I swear the pure bliss of seeing jet miserable is like the new digital heroine. I would be okay with Jet being on next season if Sam used him as a prop for challenges more.
I'm only bitching because I loved Season 1 and genuinely think Fishtank has potential to really be something artistically and financially great. Which is why WiggerTeam's laziness, apathy, and lust for the limelight combined with Sam's preference for copping out and making easy money on simps even when deep down he wants to make something of artistic/cultural merit is super frustrating to watch unfold.
 
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hey uh @Pentamidine, you should probably go take your meds and rest up buddy. if you stay up all night schizoing out you're gonna be tired when matlock's on in the morning
ok yeah sorry i'm bnetter now

what I would like to see out of season 3:

* An in-game currency like Chips, but with more uses and more attention. Let the fish pay NPCs/production throughout the season to get information or lightly sabotage other contestants. Or maybe buy food or items, like a commisary, but it needs to be more than just buying drinks from Chris Lynvh. Likewise, there need to be more opportunities to get chips. In S2 they forgot about chips like half way through and basically stopped giving them out.

* More reason for fish to form tribes. What's the point of forming allegiances? To throw applesauce on the other contestants' clothes? If they can sabotage one another in meaningful ways it would make sense for allegiances to form earlier on. I don't know the right way to stop that from just being dog piling but maybe more frequent team challenges would help, with team mates not being replaced if they're eliminated.

* More clear rules. They got better about it at the end of the season, but the rules of challenges and activities in the house were too vague, and they wouldn't get clarified until someone either broke or abused the rules. And ofc Shinji never understood the rules fully because he can't speak English.

* Sticking to bits for longer. The Initiative Group could have been awesome, but it was abandoned early on. I also feel like chips were just bailed on early in the season. Karate also should have continued, or at least Sensei Scott should have stayed a regular guest in the house, even if just to train people in boxing. They also gave up on "secret missions" early on because everyone kept "production told me"-ing. But then once there were only 4 people left, the fish weren't making moves against each other anymore until the finale.

* A beef mechanic that isn't comprised of random coin-toss challenges, and where the punishment isn't so great. Staying in the dog house from the time of the challenge until noon the next day is too much, the stakes are too high, and it leads to all beefs being settled late in the evening because the challenger is mitigating the result of a potential loss.

* No more convincing people they're the star of the show. They did it with Cole and he got a big head and then quit, thinking he could bully production. Then they did it with Jimmy and he quit, thinking he could bully production. Airsoft Fatty almost did the same thing. These people aren't reasoned and stable enough to play along if they think they have leverage on the production team.
 
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god damn what a good edit. great use of the greg cam.
I find that by mere chance there is a lot of really great shots and imagery from the show which is amazing considering that the cameras are fixed position and there was never any intent for them to have artistic shots taken from them. The composition of this one is something that would normally take a director on a set to arrange but it just happened organically

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Another interesting Chip theft occured using the mirrors in a similar manner during the Detective Cole stuff.

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I find that by mere chance there is a lot of really great shots and imagery from the show which is amazing considering that the cameras are fixed position and there was never any intent for them to have artistic shots taken from them. The composition of this one is something that would normally take a director on a set to arrange but it just happened organically

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It's recorded 24/7 for over a month, stuff is going to line up.
 
Having a grown rooster would've been a liability lmao they'd end up getting infected scratches and have a group trip to get antibiotics
Smaller the rooster = bigger the fight. Small roosters got that dog in them but, bigger roosters have the louder crow. The fish and the wiggers needee something waking them up at the asscrack of dawn, because it was always nontent until around 3pm.

I think some kind of house pet would be a good incentive. Challenges earn you time with the pet, and even maybe a chance to take it on a walk outside.
And make it a pet rock, so someone can kill it, without harming a real animal.
 
He has been liking and retweeting a lot of stuff from the show that the community made. Its remarkable that this guy who was effectively strongarmed/kidnapped by threat of non-payment into the show ended up being one of the few genuinely uplifting things in the last week or two of the show.
He was the only one too who actually kinda gave the fish a challenge, I was surprised at how fast he ran during the Most Dangerous game and the lubed up chase segment he seemed like he was really having fun during that. I think if it weren’t for all the arguments, racism and Sam being weird about how he was going to be paid I’m sure he would probably return.

“I also used to have chickens. If there's a such a thing as an ontologically evil creature, it's a chicken.”

My grandmother had one growing up in the 40/50s apparently this hen hated everyone and pecked her parents all the time. My grandma was always unscathed somehow the chicken didn’t ever peck her. In the end though they did the usual thing and killed and ate it, she told me that it was the stringiest meat she ever had.
 
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Some of my random thoughts on Seasons 2

Chickens - The whole thing felt pointless. Contestants got bored of it pretty quickly and the served no purposed besides Frank using them to be a sadistic weirdo and ash cigarettes on, throw things at and making edgy jokes about killing them. Chickens are dumb but the staff took more care of the goldfish than the chickens.

TJ - Hopefully he has level headed family to give him decent advice on putting his winnings somewhere and not blow it on dumb shit. Worried that grifters, women or bad choices will still his winnings. Also if he can keep doing lifting or boxing fitness (not sparring) to improve his motor co-ordination, that be nice too. Can't see him building anything off his post FT profile though.

Shinji - I feel he's the only one who will have post show success with stuff like streaming. He's entertaining, has interests in things, has endurance talking to an audience and could probably do decently at game or just chatting streams. I hope he succeeds with friends and relationships as it seems like his home life was sub par.

Tay - I sort of feel bad for her as she was the only one super competitive at the end. She out lasted every woman and seemed more active while TJ and Shinji just coasted. I feel like some of the production had it out for her and wonder if she would of just been better off quitting when Trish did. I don't think she got any money for getting third place? Maybe she could of just quit, become a freeloader and smoked cigs on the side-lines while the Shinji and TJ 'arc' got pushed by production. Even during the final speeches, random production team embers got attention than Tay did. I wouldn't be surprised if she just goes home right away, separates herself from Sam and Jet and gets on with life. I couldn't blame her.

Jet - I'm hoping the whole 'I'm bored of this, the contestants suck, fuck the audience. I'm done and wanna vape' vibe him and certain production had this season is just a long running joke. They got lucky with S1 but Jet isn't a genius. He took Sam's idea and money and ran with it and had success. However none of the staff are above the show and if running the show his such a horrible life, then they do something else and not drag the show down with their apathy and cool disinterest. He needs to also re-learn his place in the show because no one thinks he's a star and the bits he tries to run in front of the cameras usually fall flat. At the end of the day he's just slightly more motivated and less socially retarded than the other wiggers, so it makes him stand out. However, this season it felt like when a nerd gets a bit of success or money and they feel bigger than everyone else. But at the end of the day, he's a mutt with the body of a 55 year old bricklayer.

The show - Hopefully next season they learn from the mistakes and don't think because they made money, that the show was flawless. The visuals and certain set and production elements were improved. But it felt like they dropped the ball on scheduling, planning the day to day and managing the fish and dealing with personalities. Also hope they come up with new ideas instead of re-hashing stuff from S1. 'Remember Frank Hassle?! Remember Airsoft Fatty?! Remember Chip?!' Remember Alex Stein?!' To their credit, they lucked out with Greg. But that's probably more of a happy accident than mastermind planning.

Anyway, I hope they fix the issues with planning and staff as it would suck if S3 flopped because the show has so much potential.
 
I've been working so much I was only able to watch during the night when exactly did the fish sleep? I remember being up at 1 in the morning western time and seeing them still awake.
They would usually taper off around 2-3am EST with Shinji and Tay being night owls that would stay up until 5am at the bar talking and woke around noon. In the first two weeks Tay would always do laundry for all the fish during this down time period and fold the clothes for everyone which is why she was dubbed chudwife.
 
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