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This Is the Way Out’: Inside Ukraine’s Plan to Arm Itself-Time​


“We don’t have time to test these things on the firing range,” says Oleksandr Kamyshin, Ukraine’s Minister of Strategic Industries, who oversees the nation’s military industry and often goes himself to see its newest weapons on the launchpad. “We test them in combat,” he tells TIME. “So we have to be there, making adjustments and improvements along the way.”

Such experiments, conducted with oversight from Kamyshin and his ministry, are likely to define the next stage of this war. On orders from President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainians have begun trying to ease their reliance on Western arms by manufacturing more of their own. Nearly all of the recent strikes against targets in Russia have come not from foreign stockpiles, Kamyshin says, but from Ukrainian factories and clandestine workshops.

Ukraine’s ability to produce enough arms for its own military will be central to its current strategy for defeating the Russians.

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I had long thought that this type of thing was something Ukraine should have done. It would be super easy to get a bunch of CNC machines and the like and make basic equipment for relatively cheap. Like you could make replacement parts for broken down and old tanks.

Making a lot of shells would be hard but I think you could manage it if you had someone even relatively competent.

An interesting thing is the article says Ukraine is not making basic stuff but things like missiles and drones. Drones make a lot of sense. Missiles however do not. It is almost like a wunder-weapon type of situation.

But Ukraine never did this instead relying almost entirely on old stocks and western donations.
 
https://archive.is/2L417

This Is the Way Out’: Inside Ukraine’s Plan to Arm Itself-Time​


“We don’t have time to test these things on the firing range,” says Oleksandr Kamyshin, Ukraine’s Minister of Strategic Industries, who oversees the nation’s military industry and often goes himself to see its newest weapons on the launchpad. “We test them in combat,” he tells TIME. “So we have to be there, making adjustments and improvements along the way.”

Such experiments, conducted with oversight from Kamyshin and his ministry, are likely to define the next stage of this war. On orders from President Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainians have begun trying to ease their reliance on Western arms by manufacturing more of their own. Nearly all of the recent strikes against targets in Russia have come not from foreign stockpiles, Kamyshin says, but from Ukrainian factories and clandestine workshops.

Ukraine’s ability to produce enough arms for its own military will be central to its current strategy for defeating the Russians.

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I had long thought that this type of thing was something Ukraine should have done. It would be super easy to get a bunch of CNC machines and the like and make basic equipment for relatively cheap. Like you could make replacement parts for broken down and old tanks.

Making a lot of shells would be hard but I think you could manage it if you had someone even relatively competent.

An interesting thing is the article says Ukraine is not making basic stuff but things like missiles and drones. Drones make a lot of sense. Missiles however do not. It is almost like a wunder-weapon type of situation.

But Ukraine never did this instead relying almost entirely on old stocks and western donations.
This is quite literally Germany's strategy late in the war. "Yeah, we'll test this in combat and sort out the details later!", which resulted in wasted resources on tanks they couldn't afford to really manufacture and deploy.
 
An interesting thing is the article says Ukraine is not making basic stuff but things like missiles and drones. Drones make a lot of sense. Missiles however do not. It is almost like a wunder-weapon type of situation.
Missiles? These people can not even build fucking bicycles and now they tell me they are building missiles to win?

100% we are not talking about guided missiles but rather Hamas style missiles : the pipe rocket will fly in that general direction and land somewhere, probably in a civilian area and blow some civilians up.
These missiles have 0% military value and are just a pure terror weapon.
 
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These missiles have 0% military value and are just a pure terror weapon.
Im getting flashbacks to Syria.
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Its advances so far have been impressive. Since the invasion, Ukraine’s engineers have tested new missiles and started mass producing combat drones. Using an old American rocket, the Ukrainians jerry-rigged a system to shoot down Russian aircraft on the cheap. They also started welding hunks of metal into giant rakes to plow through enemy minefields.
The journalist who wrote this is super retarded. Ukraine is not mass producing any useful drones. They are buying them or getting them as part of aid. Those that are being build are more like RC kamikaze gliders, they might harass the Russians at best and certainly will not change the tide of the war.
They mention repurposing some sidewinder missiles they got as an old hand-me-down from US aid as a poor mans air defense. Thats reverse engineering something, not creating it from scratch as they suggest. Its pure cope, this is a weapons cottage industry not a serious mass-production factory thats needed to make a dent in the Russians operation.
 
Missiles however do not. It is almost like a wunder-weapon type of situation.
I am skeptical that the Ukies can make anything above Hamas pipe bombs. The company I work for makes a few missile parts among myriad other things. The alloys used in the parts we make are very nonstandard, and absolutely cannot be worked by a standard steel-based workshop. They also require a degree of precision engineering that cannot be rushed without cutting QC or turning your Sidewinder into a Suicider.
 
I think it's becoming increasingly clear that this whole thing will most likely be over by the end of the year, the gibs are running dry, manpower is running low even with conscription in effect and now a sudden change in military command, at this point I don't think the Ukranians will be able to mount any significant offensive with an army of poorly trained conscripts and if they try to do it it might very well end up like the French army mutinies in 1917.
 
I think it's becoming increasingly clear that this whole thing will most likely be over by the end of the year, the gibs are running dry, manpower is running low even with conscription in effect and now a sudden change in military command, at this point I don't think the Ukranians will be able to mount any significant offensive with an army of poorly trained conscripts and if they try to do it it might very well end up like the French army mutinies in 1917.
At the rate things are going, both in Ukraine and in the USA, I think this will be over before Summertime is done.
 
At the rate things are going, both in Ukraine and in the USA, I think this will be over before Summertime is done.
Giving billions of dollars to Ukraine to protect their borders while ours are open and undefended isn't going to win over the electorate.

Meaning what, exactly?
I'm not sure. It seems it wasn't a easy section to parse and translate so I did my best. Someone more familiar with Russian could explain and translate better.
 
Meaning what, exactly?
I think what the word means is what we would call Thermobaric. Thermobaric weapons are sometimes called vacuum bombs which is what tripped up the machine translate.

I think they are trying to mimic the effect of the TOS-1 and TOS-2 type of artillery.

Such weapons are rarely used but can very effective at killing people in bunkers or in a grid square.

These weapons are rare I think Russia only has something like 50 in total. So it makes sense to craft produce one especially if you are DPR/LPR units which doesn't have access to such things as easily.
 
I think it's becoming increasingly clear that this whole thing will most likely be over by the end of the year, the gibs are running dry, manpower is running low even with conscription in effect and now a sudden change in military command, at this point I don't think the Ukranians will be able to mount any significant offensive with an army of poorly trained conscripts and if they try to do it it might very well end up like the French army mutinies in 1917.
Trouble is their ideological brigades: Azov, Kraken, et al. These guys are absolutely fucked in any scenario other than some kind of white peace (which Russia will never give) so they're driven to fight to the absolute bitter end. And given how embedded they are in the military, they're probably well-positioned to make examples of any traitors who won't follow them to Final Victory.
 
And given how embedded they are in the military, they're probably well-positioned to make examples of any traitors who won't follow them to Final Victory.
Probably? Telegram is full of videos of them executing their own troops to set an example to the others to not "I don't want to fight".

The executions of your fellow soldiers will continue until your desire to fight increases.
 
Meanwhile in a russian operations center somewhere (he browses kiwi farms)
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The new strategy for Ukrainian victory:

Practice voluntary celibacy, its totes Ukrainian. Hoholvocel sounds like a newly discovered Ukrainian mental illness. link

The Eternal Anglos in Moscow

Not so nice when Russians confront you when you go out, is it? lol link
 
The western media has a new spin on the recent Russian advances in Avdiivka.

Now they didn't happen. In spite of all the evidence and all the mapping to the contrary, they are claiming that not only did none of the recent advances happen, but there have been no advances at all since the fall and that the Russians are suffering a 13-1 casualty ratio in attacks on Avidiivka.

The recent Russian "attempt" at an advance, according to the article, was stopped by one Ukrainian drone operator. I mean the drone operator said so on social media so how can it not be true?

The author of the article as much as admits that he doesn't believe his own nonsense by closing his story saying that even if Avdiivka were to completely fall, it would mean nothing.

But at that point, it would be difficult to describe the Russian conquest of Avdiivka as a victory. Taking the city would advance the front line a few miles, at best, in Russia’s favor. Is that with tens of thousands of casualties?
 
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