Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[The Foxtrot]

All the critics of Spec Ops: The Line; I hope you're happy with yourselves. Now NOBODY can buy it.

Awesome.

Normally I'm against delisting digital products, but spec ops the line is the exception since it's a product by fart sniffers for fart sniffers.

Aye, it was basically just proto-SJW trash like what we'd come to hate during and after Gamergate.

It still has a right to exist. A better argument would've been if they delist it digitally, then one could obtain it digitally for free.

It has no right to exist. It's a shitty "game" made by assholes who hate gamers meant to belittle and demean its target audience for enjoying a hobby. This "game" deserves to become Lost Media.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

I think the latter inherently needs to be elaborated on a bit more, a dumb animal kidnapping Jumpman's girl is pretty simple, no real questions to be asked. You could if pedantic (where'd the monkey come from, etc) but it's wrapped up pretty nicely.

Hearing the latter makes me wonder about their motivations. Jumpman wants his girl, DK wants her too, self-explanatory. What does Ranger want, what is Quake doing exactly, and why?

The entire story of Quake is given in a few brief text screens. No real questions are answered. Quake may be Shub Niggurath. It may be a dragon. We don't know. They come from somewhere else. Ranger is... Ranger. We don't know any more than that. We don't know anything about him. We don't even know really what he is - It's implied he's some sort of soldier. For... Earth? The USA? A science corporation? When Quake attacks, he goes through a portal (actually a series of portals... no Quake level is connected to any other, it's literally just a series of disconnected random environment) to stop Quake, who again we really don't know who they are, or if he ever even really succeeds in stopping them. The official expansion packs don't make this answer any clearer, they only make it more confusing in an attempt to flesh out "absolutely nothing" into "something".

Here. This is the entire story of Quake - all the in-game text scrolls boxes, plus the stuff in the manual. I'm pretty sure all of the first bit was strictly in the manual. The only in-game "story" was brief end-of-level text popups. The game literally ended with what is effectively "Congrats you win, love iD Software".

To explain a little more - Quake literally doesn't have a story. Not really. The story is the real-life story of a really fucked up development cycle where level designers were competing with each other and the people in charge were arguing about what game they wanted to make. It was supposed to be a dark fantasy RPG based off a D&D campaign. And most of the levels were designed for that game. Same with a lot of the enemies, at least the basic ideas for them. Almost literally at the last minute, there was an internal struggle and the decision was made to abandon the dark fantasy concept and basically "just make Doom 3". But at that point much of the work was done. So they slapped together essentially a story they wrote on a napkin and shoved it in the box.

 

[The Last Stand]

It has no right to exist. It's a shitty "game" made by assholes who hate gamers meant to belittle and demean its target audience for enjoying a hobby. This "game" deserves to become Lost Media.

NOTHING deserves to just be wiped off the face of the Earth. What kind of argument is that? You're okay with erasing media because YOU don't like it? Okay, let's erase history because I don't like what happened before.

 

[Thiletonomics]

NOTHING deserves to just be wiped off the face of the Earth. What kind of argument is that? You're okay with erasing media because YOU don't like it? Okay, let's erase history because I don't like what happened before.

So does that mean that you're okay with The Guy Game being available to purchase, even though the US made it illegal to own the game, because of one of the women in the game being underaged?

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

So does that mean that you're okay with The Guy Game being available to purchase, even though the US made it illegal to own the game, because of one of the women in the game being underaged?

Spec Ops The Line ruffling your bootyhole is a lot different than showing underage tits, to be fair.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

So does that mean that you're okay with The Guy Game being available to purchase, even though the US made it illegal to own the game, because of one of the women in the game being underaged?

Yeah, no, "I don't think offensively stupid things I don't like should be wiped out of existence" is not well-countered with "so you want child porn?".

 

[The Last Stand]

So does that mean that you're okay with The Guy Game being available to purchase, even though the US made it illegal to own the game, because of one of the women in the game being underaged?

No. That's a different case entirely. TGG didn't help its case by practically soliciting child pornography since one of the contestants was underage. What did Spec Ops: The Line do illegally as a product?

Wait a minute, that's your argument? I wouldn't even classify that title as a "game."

 

[Thiletonomics]

Wait a minute, that's your argument? I wouldn't even classify that title as a "game."

Okay then, so you are okay with I Get This Call Every Day, made by the Lolcow of the past in David S Gallant, still being available, even though it was delisted from Steam years ago? This is what it looked like:



It's also worth noting that Gallant got himself fired, by making this "game".

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Okay then, so you are okay with I Get This Call Every Day, made by the Lolcow of the past in David S Gallant, still being available, even though it was delisted from Steam years ago? This is what it looked like:

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It's also worth noting that Gallant got himself fired, by making this "game".

Is there anything illegal about it?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

This just makes me think of that scene in Back to the Future 2

"You have to use your hands?!"

"That's a baby's toy!"

The story is the real-life story of a really fucked up development cycle where level designers were competing with each other and the people in charge were arguing about what game they wanted to make.

That story actually sounds pretty interesting.

NOTHING deserves to just be wiped off the face of the Earth.

Liberal propaganda does.

TGG didn't help its case by practically soliciting child pornography since one of the contestants was underage

I'm pretty sure no "soliciting" occured. Iirc, she lied on a form or something, it was entirely unintentional.

 

[The Last Stand]

Okay then, so you are okay with I Get This Call Every Day, made by the Lolcow of the past in David S Gallant, still being available, even though it was delisted from Steam years ago? This is what it looked like:

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It's also worth noting that Gallant got himself fired, by making this "game".

For archival purposes, sure. This is actually my point. Game companies do not understand or care about preserving the media they create. In THAT case you provided, I'd WANT it to exist for archival purposes of that guy being a dumbass. If it gets lost over time because a website that holds it is inactive or something, that's different.

 

[ZipDisk]

I find it interesting that with Spec Ops The Line, before they decided to tweak the message, they acknowledged they had made a boring, dogshit military shooter.

2K jammed all that "Do you feel like a hero" shit in to try to rehab it.

They knew they were shipping bad product to begin with.

I really don't get why game publishers don't go the Rockstar route and just rip the licensed shit out, leaving the game up for sale. I mean that isn't great, but delisting is a nuclear option, when a scalpel is called for.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I really don't get why game publishers don't go the Rockstar route and just rip the licensed shit out

Because nobody was buying Spec Ops: The Line. They view it as more trouble than it is worth to even rip the licensed stuff out. One could even make an argument that to rip the licensed stuff out would be meddling with the artistic merit of the game. (if you're the type of faggot that gives a shit about games as art, at least)

Meanwhile, GTA games still sell.

 

[The Last Stand]

I find it interesting that with Spec Ops The Line, before they decided to tweak the message, they acknowledged they had made a boring, dogshit military shooter.

2K jammed all that "Do you feel like a hero" shit in to try to rehab it.

I read that development of the game was brutal in retrospect. I think the anti-war sentiment was from Yager, not 2K. 2K DID mandate multiplayer against their wishes. Spec Ops: The Line is a victim of circumstance. It's a "reboot" of a defunct series from the PS1 era; it's an anti-war action game that released when CoD was in its heyday published by a developer that did not market it properly.

Reading interviews about the game is more insightful than the actual game itself.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I miss when Spec Ops: The Line launched, because I was the only guy who bought it.

 

[Calandrino]

To explain a little more - Quake literally doesn't have a story. Not really.

It barely even has a premise or a theme or a concept. It's less coherent than Tetris or something.

 

[The Last Stand]

Not every game needs an elaborate story to succeed. There just needs to be motivation for the player to continue progressing through your game. Nintendo games fit that trope well. If anything, a bad story could be a pace breaker for a video game.

 

[Calandrino]

There just needs to be motivation for the player to continue progressing through your game. Nintendo games fit that trope well.

 

[The Last Stand]

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Depends, you got any adult brownies?

There's two genres I cannot grasp the concept of a "story," fighting and racing games.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

There's two genres I cannot grasp the concept of a "story," fighting and racing games.

I've always liked to think that fighting games benefit from "lore", but not really a story

But even then, it isn't strictly necessary. I couldn't even read when I first played Mortal Kombat. I just thought these ninjas and shit fighting each other was cool, and when the yellow ninja ripped his face off and torched a dude it was the coolest shit my 3 year old brain had ever seen.