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Daniel Micay / strcat / strncat / thestinger / GrapheneOS - Schizo software programmer and developer of GrapheneOS Android ROM. Starts drama with everyone and accuses them of harassment. Chronic brigader and bridge burner.
Daniel Micay blocks every single instance that Jonah Aragon runs, accuses Jonah of ban evading and explicitly details his plan to "get a message through to him that the harassment must stop" by hurting Jonah's business, once again smears their name by accusing them of being associated with the Kiwi Farms.
Does he not realize that Jonah has jack fucking shit to do with whatever ""extreme harassment"" he's experiencing?? It's really hard not to read this as him intentionally financially hurting a privacy competitor for no good reason.
Does he not realize that Jonah has jack fucking shit to do with whatever ""extreme harassment"" he's experiencing?? It's really hard not to read this as him intentionally financially hurting a privacy competitor for no good reason
Gangstalking by any other name still sounds as schizo. The guy has had a complete mental break. It's only a matter of time before he's ranting about being harassed by random people in the street. He's already scouring logs and pointing at connections made by arbitrary addresses as "harassment".
Now this is just speculation but I don't find it hard to believe that Daniel saw these posts, sperged out at Jonah, Jonah refused to take them down and now Daniel is smearing their name by claiming they did something unrelated. It's literally no different than accusing Rossmann of attempted murder when the real reason is because he posted a comment on Techlore's video.
I definitely think the reason Daniel is going after Jonah, is because he co-hosts a podcast with Techlore. Surveillance report is the name of the podcast I believe, it wouldn't surprise me that Daniel would put people on his shit list for being friends or collaborating with people. This is taken from Jonahs GitHub page with further shows his relationship with Techlore.
I’m not surprised by the contents of those DMs in that video having experienced the very same thing first hand. I mean that exactly, right down to every accusation aimed at Louis. Including the accusations of being responsible for the swatting, threats of releasing personal information and using GrapheneOS assets to hurt our organization (website, domain, tweets etc). There were some very wacky suggestions from Micay about what he should do to his “adversaries”, which without a doubt would have violated laws. My only response to that was to caution against such actions and try to direct his attention to focusing on the GrapheneOS project. I haven’t said anything about these things publicly as I figured that it was something he said in the “heat of the moment” and that he didn’t really mean it and it was best if it were forgotten.
We do not condone any of the harassment that Micay has unfortunately received. I had reminded him numerous times that “feeding the trolls” is without a doubt making it a whole lot worse and giving them exactly what they want, a reaction. I am certain that nobody would even know about (or even remember) the original Techlore video if Micay did not regularly mention it.
Micay wanted me to either leave Privacy Guides or somehow fire Jonah. Removal of any member, is a group decision, and there simply isn’t any grounds for that. Micay genuinely believed that somehow Jonah’s affiliation with Techlore (infrastructure management) meant that he had a say in the content of Henry’s previous videos. I refused to facilitate his ultimatums, wished him the best for his project and really hope that the problems are sorted out in an adult fashion. As a result I’ve been banned from all the GrapheneOS matrix rooms and unbanned about 2-3 times when Micay felt like I was helping him, as I have in many cases defended the project. When I wouldn’t do what he wanted though, I’d find myself banned again, until ultimately I decided not to rejoin those rooms.
I told him that I hope that he gets the support he needs, perhaps more so than what he wants. I am also a fan of the GrapheneOS project as a whole, because the way I see it, there really isn’t anything with a comparable feature set.
I also find it funny that he claims Jonah aligns with the farms when Jonah seems like the type of person who would be a supporter of de-platforming the farms. Daniel also mentions that some contributors left Privacy Guides over Jonah being "fascist". I wonder who though?
There’s just nothing to respond to here really. Supporting Kiwi Farms? Obviously not, I am extremely opposed to everything they stand for. That claim is so ridiculous that it should be obviously absurd to anyone reading. It’s unfortunate that Daniel Micay seems to think the only way to promote his own project is to tear down everyone else in his path.
It is my continued opinion that Daniel Micay should seek professional help
Daniel steps in to correct the misinformation and I actually 100% agree with him. source (a)
The @menteprotectiva account responds by accusing him of legal threats but Daniel tears him down some more. Ok, fine, whatever, good for him.
Do you mean that this article is defamatory? Did you report it to its primary author? Are you accusing me of something illicit? Please, what is the legal basis about your claim or to recriminate me for a repost?
Not three times, or four times, or five times, or so on and on and on. In fact, he posted it a total of ... 35 TIMES. (not including retweets) Copy and pasting the same exact message every single one. Every single one is a reply to some tweet of @menteprotectiva shilling their retarded scam phone. (archive)
Most of these aren't even on tweets that anybody saw. They're all tweets that got zero replies (besides Daniel's) and at most one "like". (archive)
I never expected him to do something like this. (archive)
Look I understand how frustrating it is when somebody spreads misinformation about your shit but this is a very lolcowish way of responding to it. At some point you have to realise this isn't worth it and log off from the Internet. Genuinely.
No, child, you did not find a flatulence exploit in my wife's vaginal firmware. No, little one, my secure phone OS is not fat by any medical standard. This is why your using my code is already over. Enjoy Purism.
Somebody posted Louis' Graphene video again and Daniel responds with an interesting claim. (Besides his usual lies obviously.) source (a)
One of the most frustrating things about Daniel is his inability to provide proof. I spent half an hour scrubbing through Louis' recent videos and using a YT subtitle engine trying to validate this claim to no avail. Why he can't just provide a link and timestamp is beyond me.
I did a quick scrub over the timelines of several videos and I didn't see Louis holding up a phone or anything like that. I'm not sure what exactly he means by "trying to hide it." Besides doesn't GrapheneOS look like stock Android from a distance?
Fascinating how Daniel insists on referring to himself in the third person. Seriously, is there ANYBODY fooled who doesn't know that Daniel Micay is still behind all GrapheneOS accounts?
LOL, archiving is something those extreme harassing Kiwi Farmers do. And who's the "multiple people"?
Again, wasn't able to find any proof of his claims quickly. @larossmann can you confirm or deny that you are still using GrapheneOS? Can anybody here find a moment from a recent video that clearly shows him still using GrapheneOS?
Daniel, honey, nobody is confused in the slightest if swatting counts as attempted murder. In no uncertain terms, I wholeheartedly agree that swatting is attempted murder. What people do have an issue with is your tendency to accuse others of being behind swatting with zero fucking proof.
Neither of those things! The "public record" is literally just Daniel's own tweets which is hardly proof of anything. The original tweets aren't even public because he privated his personal account!
Then he casually blames Rossmann for having "contributed" to child porn and gore raids, a thoroughly disgusting accusation.
Honestly the saddest part is that Daniel sees Louis (allegedly) using GrapheneOS again as some sort of gotcha, that he's caught him in this "lie". He doesn't even consider that it's possible he changed his mind about Daniel being a threat to him and realized that Daniel is impotent and harmless. Listen, if I truly believed that my life was in serious grave danger from people trying to murder me, and that I could stop this by backdooring my code, I'd do it in a heartbeat, so the fact that Daniel hasn't (yet) is a testament to how committed he is to security and privacy. That's damning by faint praise, but praise nonetheless.
Point being he could've taken this opportunity and turned it into positive PR. "Hey, even my biggest critic still uses GrapheneOS, so people have nothing to worry about!" Instead he uses it to attack Louis and it's completely pointless.
He is obsessively tracking his enemies to the point he keeps a list of apps Rossman is using, and he's shocked that people don't feel comfortable using his OS or even having contact with him.
Also going through Rossman's videos frame by frame to maniacally keep a tally of what he does on his phone seems... what's the word... stalkery?
With how many times Daniel has lied, I don't believe a word he says. Unless he brings proof to the table I'll just always assume that he is just having a manic episode again and making shit up.
Wasn't it always obvious lol. Reminds me of Andrew Torba using the GAB Xitter account to publish his personal opinions and picking fights with randoms, I think the only reason they use these brand accounts like their personal account is because they know no one would follow or care about their personal account, and they want as many follows to see their posts.
Daniel, honey, nobody is confused in the slightest if swatting counts as attempted murder. In no uncertain terms, I wholeheartedly agree that swatting is attempted murder. What people do have an issue with is your tendency to accuse others of being behind swatting with zero fucking proof.
Is there even any proof that he got swatted? Other than him claiming he was? Like is there a police report or something? I just find it hard to trust a word of Daniel's when he lies so frequently.
He has tried to hide that he continued using it since it further exposes his lies about it. Since you've moved on to the same behavior of claiming people are deranged and delusional for calling out abuse, please refrain from contacting us again or participating in our community.
It is seems even more important - yet no one seems to be able to focus on the question without some sort of brigade or interruption happening - but can we please use a phone that isn't a crappily made insecure spy device? I'm still using GrapheneOS, though I would prefer not to... Can't trust Daniel due to his constantly insane behavior and bold face lies, which he's very good at deleting quickly (I've seen it happen loads on their GitHub). Therefore, I wouldn't put it past them that it is some sort of honeypot for intelligence - especially considering Snowden recommended it ("please if you're an activist, then only do activism with this phone OS - btw 9/11 was exactly what the government said it was and you're crazy if you think otherwise, I'm Snowden"). In fact, if you have skills and way too much time on your hands, then it would be great if you setup a little build process for GrapheneOS. You can use this technology: https://reproducible-builds.org/ to compile the code exactly as GrapheneOS does it and then compare the binaries - they should match bit-for-bit as they claim it is reproducible. If not, then maybe you'll be the first to present evidence of an overt honeypot.
The other issue is yes the Pixel has better hardware security built in (Titan M chip), but that is entirely closed architecture (not to be confused with OpenTitan). Daniel is famous for banning and censoring anyone who is even curious about "how can we trust Google" (or any other company that has put binary blobs and extremely hard to reverse engineer software running outside of the operating system in your devices). Daniel's blag is always "you idiot, if you can't trust Google, then you're f'd - and you don't know anything about computer security. P.S. The most secure operating systems are ChromeOS, Windows, Android - and Linux is basically the *least* secure!" (Yes that is all part of his incessant, highly-enforced blag. And he does not participate in discourse anywhere that he cannot control. Still, no one even has the mug of this idiot. Hard to verify that he's even a real person considering his seemingly around-the-clock online statuses and resposes on GitHub, Matrix and Reddit!
So, does anyone have leads into a usable phone that doesn't suck and isn't literally a spy device? Despite the above, Graphene seems to be the closest thing to acceptable, still.
Some attributes Graphene has that the rest are all lacking still:
Some attributes the rest have that GrapheneOS does not:
- Adblocking ("security issue" says Daniel)
- A community that isn't overtly authoritarian and censorship-rich
- A reliable way to backup the entire phone
- Not much feature-wise, but trust is important when it comes to a phone that can receive updates pushed to it from a central HQ we have no visibility into.
I mentioned this before, but IMO, spergs like Daniel would give their life in order to maintain the code integrity of the project they are working on. And with it being open source, there is effectively no way for it to be tampered with. However, it is entirely reasonable that regular, normal people like you and me would see these sperg-outs on the same level or even worse than if the code itself had actually been compromised. I don't blame you for not having trust in the project considering the absolute tard of a person running it.
GrapheneOS, aside from the tantrums, legitimately offers the best privacy out of the other operating systems out there in my opinion, but it is difficult to separate the program from the programmer even for me.
Where is the evidence though? And that isn't really true. Daniel has defended the need for Google to do what they want re: TitanM (which is the primary reason GrapheneOS only supports Pixel devices). There is no way we can verify how the TitanM works besides it is closed source. Why has Daniel never said anything like, "Well Purism sucks, but it would actually be the best condender if it just addressed x, y and z - which it could feasibly achieve"? A lot of this stuff does not track and "sperg" could easily be used as a cover, especially when you consider facts like 1) Daniel's amazing ability to police many platforms and keep loads of nameless inner circle devs doing the same in concert with him 2) Daniel's seeming 24h activity on many platforms (it was more obvious a few years ago). So the superficial evidence leads us to believe GrapheneOS is the most private and secure smartphone operating system, but there really exists no deep evidence for this and the many attempts to gather such evidence is met with much resistance. GrapheneOS is not run like a FOSS project at all if you track the way they censor countless threads in GitHub via quick deletion. This is what an intelligence agency would do if it didn't want to have to explain itself regarding why there are some things it just won't implement. This is why they like root-of-trust not being in the user's hands so much. There is great logic around the root-of-trust logic that GrapheneOS and other OSs use - however, their strategy for the actual root of trust is not in the user's hand; it is in GrapheneOS owner's hands. In layman's terms, you don't really have access to your own phone and the files on it if you run GrapheneOS - and that's for your own safety!
This is so fucking gay, and cringe. GrapheneOS is a security hardened operating system. No member of the development team should be doing or saying anything that makes people question the security of it.
It is a blesssing perhaps, or a sign for those with eyes... How do we know it is *just* a security hardened OS? We don't - ditto for Copperhead, CalyxOS, ChromeOS, etc... The woke think that Google et al are in the business of intelligence gathering, and secure and private phones ("that you need to use if you're an activist and whistleblower" - Snowden, Assange) are their virtuous opposition! And that of course they'd never compete by doing the same thing (spying, selling access, selling information, etc). Checkout the most secure and hardened "secure messaging app" by Moxie, who can't even be honest about his real name
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This is an incredible shame. This guy is clearly talented and add a lot of value to the world. But he wastes it and burns it all down by being schizo.
Kind of like a less devolved Terry Davis. Terry Davis didn't fuck with anybody online. However his street rants did result in him getting the crap beat out of him on the streets.
Except we have plenty of evidence - even direct video evidence - that Terry Davis knows how to program and actually is the author of TempleOS. Nothing like that exists for anything Daniel has done. They're not similar at all; Daniel is obsessed with correcting the record, protecting his identity and being authoritarian; he doesn't deserve to be classified as a schitzo genius as there is no evidence of genius or authorship.
Why has Daniel never said anything like, "Well Purism sucks, but it would actually be the best condender if it just addressed x, y and z - which it could feasibly achieve"?
Actually, there are two devs I know of (out of a claimed six), they are flawedworld and wonderfall. I don't know if they police all the platforms with him but personally I doubt it.
So the superficial evidence leads us to believe GrapheneOS is the most private and secure smartphone operating system, but there really exists no deep evidence for this and the many attempts to gather such evidence is met with much resistance. GrapheneOS is not run like a FOSS project at all if you track the way they censor countless threads in GitHub via quick deletion.
I would love to see these efforts to gather evidence, especially the archives of these deleted threads. I was not aware of him resisting those and deleting threads but I could believe it.
yeah I'm considering going back to stock on my pixel 7. doesn't help that graphene is buggy as fuck sometimes and doesn't boot others. one time it refused to boot like 5 times in a row and I thought I was going to be forced into a factory reset, but it worked randomly after trying over and over.
So as it turns out, Daniel Micay is unfortunately (partially) correct in this one very specific instance. Witness the following screenshot: This is 5:46 from the video about FUTO's voice app. (Preservetube) This was published in October of last year and is not a reupload or anything far as I can tell.
On GrapheneOS, the default keyboard is named "Keyboard" and has that icon, but on stock Pixel, the default keyboard is named "Gboard". You can install Gboard on GrapheneOS if you want but it's extremely unlikely that he would install "Keyboard" on a stock Pixel install.
Does this mean that Louis is secretly daily driving GrapheneOS and has been lying the whole time about distrusting Graphene, as the Canadian schitzo developer argues?NO! He's clearly using it on a phone meant for demonstration, such as showing off a voice app he made (or helped with). This in no way proves that he trusts Daniel Micay enough to install Graphene on a phone he will store sensitive secrets on and do banking and taxes on and all that. Show me proof of that and I'll change my mind, but for now, this is a nothingburger.
Let me remark at how useless Daniel is at providing proof for his claims because I had to find this in Rossmann's Matrix chat rooms. Daniel has sperged ad infinitum about Rossmann this and Kiwi Farms that but he refuses to link the actual timestamp of him showing a Graphene install, and I'm starting to think it's because he doesn't want people looking at the evidence for themselves.
Also note how many times he makes baseless claims like that Rossmann knew about the (claims of) swatting attacks, because I can guarantee you that he didn't fucking know at all. Do you understand why I'm extremely skeptical of every word that comes out of Daniel's keyboard?
Daniel just wants people to immediately believe his word, like this simp who started accusing Rossmann of spreading misinformation on other products (which ones? he doesn't say.) Oh and apparently getting accused of a serious crime likeattempted murder is just ""trade offs"" to this faggot.
Louis delivered an excellent response to Daniel's bullshittery in his Matrix chat.
Meanwhile, some concern troll espousing Graphene talking points came into the Matrix before Louis banned him.
I'm not as schitzo and retarded as Daniel so I'm not going to accuse that tard of being part of the GrapheneOS community or whatever. But this is a great example of a false flag, and if the roles were reversed you know for sure that Daniel (and his dickriders like Tom Sparks and Hector Martin) would be screeching about how the guy above is a Calyx or Rossmann or Kiwi Farms troll or something.
Continuing, Rossmann explains that he has at least 3 phones (so that he has Graphene on one of them doesn't mean anything if it's not his daily) and how silly it is to think that he "continued using GrapheneOS" just because of that one video.
Lastly, Daniel Micay announces that he will publish documentation on grapheneos.org about "the history of Rossmann's abusive behavior towards the project."
Looking forward to him explaining how posting a Youtube comment is harassment and how FUTO funding Calyx is abusive. He won't sound insane at all, I'm sure.
EDIT: Some bonus sperging about Gael Duval, creator of /e/OS, supposedly doing "libel, harassment and misinformation."
It's true, Louis Rossman's videos cater so much to me that I gave up my entire life just to watch Louis Rossman videos. At first you're just like wow, these videos are amazing they cater to me so much but then you start to discover the hidden parts that really cater to you. But it's only around the seventieth viewing of each video that you start to recognize all the little messages Louis Rossman is sending to you about GrapheneOS and Daniel Micay. That's when you realize that no matter how much Louis Rossman caters to you in his videos that you can't lose sight of what truly matters in life: slandering GrapheneOS's lead developer. And I simply refuse to give that up just to watch more of Louis Rossman's videos that he makes specifically for me.
yeah I'm considering going back to stock on my pixel 7. doesn't help that graphene is buggy as fuck sometimes and doesn't boot others. one time it refused to boot like 5 times in a row and I thought I was going to be forced into a factory reset, but it worked randomly after trying over and over.
It wouldn't be such a big deal if one out of every few Pixels running Graphene were duds and you could just instantly restore using another phone. But you can't because they refuse to have a comprehensive backup/restore plan. That would mean giving you direct access to all of the data on your own device, but we can't have that! Obviously it isn't that simple, but they are that dismissive to anyone trying to participate that they didn't 100% dictate.
@Markass the Worst - in the screenshots you posted he didn't claim the Titan M was open source. The Titan M is a chip in the phone that runs firmware that GrapheneOS has not replaced, and accepts/trusts (as it must, I realize). This is one of those "root of trust" issues I described. The Titan M is a main reason GrapheneOS is restricted to Pixel phones, and supposedly makes it way more difficult to break into, even physically (supposedly even by the authorities).
It wouldn't be such a big deal if one out of every few Pixels running Graphene were duds and you could just instantly restore using another phone. But you can't because they refuse to have a comprehensive backup/restore plan. That would mean giving you direct access to all of the data on your own device, but we can't have that! Obviously it isn't that simple, but they are that dismissive to anyone trying to participate that they didn't 100% dictate.
So funny thing about this, I believe this is a result of Daniel's hatred of Calyx, and ends up being a really great example of how Daniel Micay constantly attacking other people for no reason ends up harming his OS (or at least contributing to usability issues).
First some context, Daniel and other Graphene people are very opinionated on not rooting your device. They say rooting introduces attack surface, breaks the security model of GrapheneOS, all that jazz. Personally, I don't care about this autism (but it is really fucking hilarious and spergy how Daniel always says that rooting GrapheneOS makes it "no longer GrapheneOS") as long as a user can still use most of their device capabilities without root. And their attitude has always been that they will reimplement capabilities (like call recording) without needing root. Great! Except for this one thing called "backups."
According to the GrapheneOS FAQ (a), the included backup app is SeedVault. But by many accounts, this app is a piece of shit, with issues like "apps can refuse to hand over their data and just can't be backed up." Daniel Micay's defense to this is that SeedVault "has been taken over by an untrustworthy group of developers without aligned goals", and he won't even report issues because they have "highly malicious and underhanded behavior". source (a) source (a)
Who are these dastardly developers, you might ask? It doesn't take long to find that the Calyx Institute has a page (a) talking about them sponsoring SeedVault development. And as anybody who has read this thread knows, Daniel really hates Calyx and constantly accuses them of harassment and swatting with no evidence.
Further downthread, Daniel says GrapheneOS will make a much better app to replace SeedVault. source (a)
In the meantime, just back things up manually, LOL. source (a)
And he refuses to fork it because "we'd be concerned about continued abusive behavior from the current developers if we forked it." source (a)
It's been almost 2 years since then, so has there been a new backup app developed to replace SeedVault? Not that I can tell. You can go into the GrapheneOS Matrix/Telegram/Discord/IRC and see users still talking about using SeedVault. If you Google/DuckDuckGo/StartPage "GrapheneOS backups" you will almost always find people talking about using SeedVault.
And the really tragic thing is that it didn't have to be this way. If only Daniel Micay didn't have a reflexive disgust for anything Calyx, he could have contributed to the existing SeedVault app and improved it to not be a piece of shit, or even forked it. But because he's a LOLcow and Internet Tough Guy, GrapheneOS is stuck with a backup app they admit is shitty and full of problems that they refuse to do anything about short of trashing the whole thing and starting from scratch, and good luck getting the necessary developer resources to make that happen (they constantly talk about how their resources are limited and they only have six devs).
@Markass the Worst - in the screenshots you posted he didn't claim the Titan M was open source. The Titan M is a chip in the phone that runs firmware that GrapheneOS has not replaced, and accepts/trusts (as it must, I realize). This is one of those "root of trust" issues I described. The Titan M is a main reason GrapheneOS is restricted to Pixel phones, and supposedly makes it way more difficult to break into, even physically (supposedly even by the authorities).
It's a good idea to archive PDFs to this site by directly uploading them. (I've done that here.) Thanks for this, yes he doesn't say that it's open source but he claims that it's not a problem because you can just fuzz it and use black box methods, like what this guy did. So this probably proves his point even more. The paper finds a couple security flaws but then he would also point out the numerous security flaws discovered in open source projects like the Linux kernel. So I don't know, it's a mixed bag and Daniel's just highly autistic and technical over this argument. Edit: Some Graphene simp wants Daniel to speak at MoneroKon, and when someone explains that it won't happen because he is mentally unstable, he calls Rossman a "degenerate" who just wanted to "make a couple dollars from a YouTube ads."
I find it funny how r4v3r23 has no idea that Louis Rossmann made a video and independently came to the same conclusion as many people -- that Daniel is a schitzo constantly seeing others as enemies for no reason. You don't need Rossmann's video to observe that Daniel is exceptional, and not in the good way.
Elsewhere in the thread, another person chimes in to say that Daniel is the only reason he isn't using GrapheneOS. source (a)
(Edit: MikeCustomTech was mentioned previously here and I didn't even remember he had history until I read through the thread again to put together a list of GrapheneOS enemies for the OP. I'm pretty sure at this point that Daniel definitely keeps such a list.)
Daniel gives a statement and claims that Graphene people no longer consider it safe to have their identity publicly known "due to harassment", that a lot of the "harassment" has come from the Monero community and they only want to speak remotely, under pseudonyms. source (a) source (a) source (a)
