Handheld Gaming in 2024 - No. I'm not buying a Steam Deck.

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Kind of a sister thread to the ultimate Switch collection thread.

As I said in that thread, I like handheld and have a bunch like the 3DS and Vita. Problem is that those consoles are now too precious to take anywhere. They rarely come up for sale, and when they do they fetch high prices for a decent one. I can't take them anywhere as I'm afraid to drop them, sit on them, or generally damage them in some way, even though my 3DS lived in my pocket throughout my 20s. I fell down that rabbit hole again recently and the response was the same, but also different.

This time the recommendation was to buy a $40 handheld from China that plays retro systems up to and including the PS1. But you shouldn't waste your money on Chinese crap, instead you should invest in an Miyo Mini Plus. But they sell out fast so now are scalped, so you should get an Abernic instead. Though really, you're just a stones throw away from an Analogue Pocket or a Retroid Pocket. The real retro handhelds. Which in the UK, are about the price of Nintendo Switch.

And then we're back to buying a Switch vs buying a Steam Deck. The Steam Deck does little for me and again falls into the trap of being too valuable to throw in a bag or pocket and not have to worry if it breaks, while the Switch is mostly for first party Nintendo and the only Nintendo games I care about are the Mario Xcom games and Bayonetta, and all but the cheapest model are a bit pricey.


But what I find interesting is that these are options. After the Steam Deck, most handhelds like the ROG and Ayaneo were basically more expensive Steam Decks with marginal changes in power, ram, etc. But now we have something that fills the cheap "throw it in your pocket and whip it out whenever" aspect of the GBA, DS, and 3DS.

The main problem is they just play emulation, no exclusives, and no cool features like Street Pass. Being able to play Pico8 games might count since that system doesn't have real hardware and the kind of games on Pico8 don't really suit using a keyboard.

This video is really helpful for listing a bunch of these consoles.
 
Would you say that handheld gaming is kinda dead? At least spiritually?

Cause all mobile gaming nowadays belongs to one of these categories:
1)F2P garbage on mobile phones.
2)Switch, which is Nintendo's mainline console which also happens to be portable.
3)Portable PCs like Steam Deck, which play PC games.
4)Chinese consoles which play Android games or run emulators.
 
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If you have a modern smartphone, just get one of those Bluetooth gamepads that you can slot your phone into.
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The one pictured costs £10 on Amazon. You'll be able to emulate a bunch of stuff up to ps1 at least, it's cheap enough to not care if you break it, and you're carrying your phone around already anyway.
 
+1 for RACISM's suggestion. You have your phone almost always anyways, you can connect expandable storage to it like USB C thumb drives and it can emulate a LOT of shit. You can play on Android (or at least I have): OpenXcom, Doom(1993), Jagged Alliance 2 (haven't tried any mods yet), as well as a plethora of emulators including Dolphin emulator (according to fdroid). I've only ever tried up to epsxe. I ran an N64 emulator on my phone as well. It's going to require some time investment to set up but if you are semi competent with your phone and its capabilities then you should be fine. Suggesting you have an Android phone you could have the perfect gaming set up right now.
 
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Mostly i am just waiting for the chink handhelds to get strong enough for ps2 emulation which is gonna be 3 years at this rate. Though something like the lg v60 is pretty good and can emulate up to the 3ds.
 
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I managed to get my hands on a Miyoo Mini Plus last year. I paid $80 for it and it wasn't that hard to get or expensive. Demand has kind of died down some. Check on Amazon if you want one. It's where I bought mine. It's a great system and I loaded it up with a shit load of ROM's and PS1 and Sega CD games. I have tons of games all on one micro SD card. I even installed and setup Onion OS on it. You don't have to install and setup Onion OS but it makes it so much better and games run better from what I have seen. Just look on YouTube for a tutorial on how to install Onion OS and get it setup. I bought a modded GBA on Ebay back in $2020 for $180. It's the original model not the SP. It has a screen and sound mod installed. It's why it was $180. I even bought one of those GBA Everdrive carts. But the Miyoo Mini Plus plays GBA games really well so I don't need it as much anymore. I just put all my GBA ROM's on the Miyoo.

I also have a DSi XL I bought used from GameStop back in 2016. A 3DS XL I bought in 2018. And a PS Vita I bought in 2019. It's the model with the OLED screen. I have a few physical games for the VITA and some digital downloads. I wanted to get more physical games but the Vita games are pretty expensive. So are the DS and 3DS games. I have one of those flash carts for the DS. But I just stopped caring about the 3DS when I got the Switch in 2018. I never take my handhelds outside. I also take care of my stuff more than most people do. I have a few physical games for the 3DS and DS. One of them being the Chrono Trigger DS port.

I would say Handheld gaming has been completely taken over by the Switch and Steam Deck. Nintendo has no plans to bother with another handheld. The release of the Switch model that was in portable mode only kind of made that obvious. Before Nintendo would have a home console and a handheld. But they have all that with the Switch. I mostly use mine in the portable mode. I hardly ever use the dock. I think I have used it 4 times since I bought the Switch. I was thinking about getting a Steam Deck but I already have a decent gaming PC and most of my gaming is done on that. The performance and battery life is what made me change my mind on the Steam Deck. I will just stick to the Switch and see what the Switch 2 will be like. If there is a Steam Deck 2 with better performance and battery life I might get it. Till then it's my PC Switch Miyoo Mini Plus and the other handhelds I own.
 
Switch Lite is your best option, especially if that R4 type card turns out to be any good. Then you have the entire library for free. I imagine it runs homebrew too, therefore is a decent emulator.
 
I'd recommend the gpd win max 2, bought myself one when it came out and I love the thing. Its basically a small laptop with a gamepad built into it. Can play most modern games easily and can handle up to ps3 emulation surprisingly well.
 
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I'm planning to buy a Retroid 4, it's essentially a smaller Switch Lite that can emulate anything up to the Wii/PS2.
 
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honestly if you want you can buy and mod a nintendo 3ds and ps vita for the half of the OG prices. i rather buy a steam deck if i had no PC instead of a switch because i don't want to pay for online gaming on top of my internet connection (which uses the same cheap ass servers like on the wii). shit sucks but such is life.
 
I have no need for one, but I'll take a look at the next Steam Deck (when they use a new SoC). And I'd pick up any competitor (e.g. ROG Ally) if the open box/refurb prices cratered hard enough, since it could double as a capable mini PC.

Would you say that handheld gaming is kinda dead? At least spiritually?

Cause all mobile gaming nowadays belongs to one of these categories:
1)F2P garbage on mobile phones.
2)Switch, which is Nintendo's mainline console which also happens to be portable.
3)Portable PCs like Steam Deck, which play PC games.
4)Chinese consoles which play Android games or run emulators.
If the x86 handhelds get popular enough, maybe we'll see some games, mostly indie, targeting the smaller 720p/1080p touchscreens + buttons.

Sony might get back in, 2+ years from now. But to play the existing library of PS4/PS5 games, so it would be closer to #3 in your list than a true spiritual successor to PSP/Vita.

New PlayStation Handheld Powered by AMD Is in Early Development; 18 CUs, 1.8 GHz or Slower GPU to Maintain Compatibility With PS4/PS5 Titles (archive)
 
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This time the recommendation was to buy a $40 handheld from China that plays retro systems up to and including the PS1. But you shouldn't waste your money on Chinese crap, instead you should invest in an Miyo Mini Plus. But they sell out fast so now are scalped, so you should get an Abernic instead. Though really, you're just a stones throw away from an Analogue Pocket or a Retroid Pocket. The real retro handhelds. Which in the UK, are about the price of Nintendo Switch.
There are several price ranges for these handhelds, and only the really high-end systems are comparable to a Switch in price before you start getting into handheld PC territory. Even in the few months since the last time you asked about this stuff:
  • The Miyoo Mini Plus has become cheaper and more common, and you can buy it off Amazon Prime which gets you the fast shipping and generous return policy you’d expect from them.
  • Anbernic has shat out a few more handhelds including the RG35XX Plus, which is their more powerful competitor to the Miyoo Mini Plus, and more of their systems are also being sold through Prime. The non-Plus RG35XX is $50 and well-liked.
  • The Retroid Pocket 2S got a small price drop to $90 (though you really should pay a little more for the extra RAM), and if you want something more high-end that can easily handle Gamecube/Wii/PS2, there’s also the $150 Pocket 4. That being said, I still think Android is more trouble than it’s worth for these handhelds, but do whatever you want.
Also, I wouldn’t consider the Analogue Pocket as part of the equation at all. FPGA is a niche that specializes in perfect accuracy and playing the original cartridges (though I think you can mod it to play roms now). Good on you if you like that, but you’re paying significantly more for an extra 0.001% accuracy that you almost definitely won’t notice.
The main problem is they just play emulation, no exclusives, and no cool features like Street Pass. Being able to play Pico8 games might count since that system doesn't have real hardware and the kind of games on Pico8 don't really suit using a keyboard.
No one would want to make exclusives for an obscure probably-Chinese handheld when they could just put it on everything else while they’re at it. But for what it’s worth, some of these handhelds have native ports of PC games, usually a mix of lower-end indies and whatever open-source games someone felt like porting.
 
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No one would want to make exclusives for an obscure probably-Chinese handheld when they could just put it on everything else while they’re at it.
Of course. I was more refering to the same thing @Hardline Traditionalist mentioned about handheld game development and features being gone. Many games were designed with handheld play in mind, ranging from short 3 minute distractions while waiting for the bus (Liberation Maiden) to full console ports you can sink hours into (Resident Evil DS). I guess that you could emulate handheld systems for that experience, and maybe Pico8 counts if you want new stuff given those games are designed to be brief, but it's kind of a bummer.

Yet at the same time, these kind of emulation machines also make more sense, since you have a vast library of games without needing the mess with carts. Save states allow you to pause and resume games whenever, and it makes more sense. Though ultimately, this is all stuff that could play just as well on a modern PC with a controller.


I wouldn’t consider the Analogue Pocket as part of the equation at all.
Agreed.

Same with portable PCs. Machines like the Switch and Steam Deck are "portable" because they have a screen, but I doubt there's many people breaking out the Switch on a lunch break or playing a few minutes of Witcher 3 on Steam Deck while on the train. At that point, a decent laptop would be just as convenient, if not more so.


Even in the few months since the last time you asked about this stuff:
Part of the reason I want to talk about this stuff is how fast it's moving. There are multiple YouTube channels dedicated to reviewing these things. For the price of a Rasberry Pi or a AAA game, you can get what amounts to a Rasberry Pi with controls and a screen that blows away anything seen on the handhelds of the past.
 
GAMERS HATE IT! The One Weird Trick is: the truly convenient pocket-sized handheld with a ton of games that are either exclusive or optimized to the format is just a phone. Not even a phone and a Steam controller, or a phone with a terabyte micro SD full of roms that you'll never look at: just a regular phone with cucksoomer app store stuff on it. Just find something out of the 10,000,000 available games that isn't absolute unabashed whale-hunting mtx-driven normie shovelware and drop the $5 if necessary, it will be more fun than trying to play MGS in five-minute spurts at the dentist's office just to demonstrate that you can. I'm convinced 75%+ of hacked handhelds and chinkware are never looked again after they get set up and have photos posted to reddit.
 
I'm convinced 75%+ of hacked handhelds and chinkware are never looked again after they get set up and have photos posted to reddit.
This I believe unironically. Even the Steam Deck is like this.

if you want you can buy and mod a nintendo 3ds and ps vita for the half of the OG prices
It's been a decade and both Vitas are still more comfortable and more software stable than the chinkhelds shilled on /vr/, it's amazing
There was a time not too long ago they were expensive and hard to come by. Now a quick ebay search brings up loads for around £100. Though what condition I don't know. Even the games have dropped back to non-insane prices. I have an unopened copy of GalGun I was tempted to sell due to the spiraling price. Now it can be found for nearly RRP (although one listing has it for £180). I'm guessing there was some kind of Vita or retro gaming bubble that burst over the last year?
 
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