Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Note that while we as faggots here on the Kiwi Farms may be disappointed by HH, it's apparently pretty financially successful.

How so? Did it make its money back thanks to being reletively low budget? I haven't seen it make enough of a dent for me to start seeing it everywhere I'm on.

 

[Guysho]

Too lazy and autistic to read through the several pages that have popped up since I last checked on this thread.
A lesson as to why I ought to stop being productive and just lurk KF.

I could barely pay attention to the season's penultimate episode, and the action in the final episode reminded me of Sonic Boom's fight scenes. I like Sonic Boom, it's easily the least shitty Sonic show there is, but it is a comedy first and foremost.

Considering Pentious and his egg minions were in the same airship that was 999999'd FF7 style by Adam, one does wonder how the egg boys survived. I thought there were only a handful, post-pilot?

 

[Boson]

Where are people getting that a second season is still up in the air? The trailer confirmed two seasons already.

 

[goodbudweiser]

Vox x Valentino is gay

This was a ship before HH on the fake version of Instagram, I'm not surprised it's cannon. I think she made it cannon to stop people shipping Velvette x Vox too though. Though it makes me wonder who's the top in the 'relationship'.

 

[FamicomGorby]

I watched the first season, I thought it was alright. I was slightly annoyed that we didn't get more of Razzle & Dazzle before one of em got killed off.

I do think the eight episode season length was dumb but that's more of an Amazon thing since streaming platforms seem to just wanna fund a single season of a show, split it in half to say they have two seasons, then cancel it immediately.

Also on Amazon, I watched it on an account I have access to and fucking prime video now has ads. Not even strategically placed in what you're watching, they just randomly happen. It's nice to pay for a service that then annoys the fuck out of it's userbase with ads for its fucking self.

Where are people getting that a second season is still up in the air? The trailer confirmed two seasons already.

Probably spergs on tumblr, not like the fanbase for this show lacks em.

 

[doodoocaca]

Just how many plot holes do we have, now?

• Lucifer styled and clowned on Adam and could have easily stopped the exterminations
• To wit, Charlie hurt Adam, despite Series!Charlie being a worse basic bitch than Piper from orange is the new black and otherwise throwing glitter in faces while apologizing, so if she wasn't such a big gay baby there's that
• The off-screen cannibals with angel weapons that have been passed around apparently made short work of some heavenly host, though the scale of the attack seems off. Was it a hell-wide extermination or just a troop of girlscouts dressing up for Adam?
• Alastor's a goddamned bitch baby who runs on hype and farts because Vivz can't execute on anything and has more ADHD than extra pounds from her Starbucks milkshakes
• Camilla was clearly at the level to take out an angel as she demonstrated with Vaggie, who was one, also the rumor that everyone knew, even the egg boys.
• Nifty took Adam out like a prison yard shank job

The first thing cool thing that Lucifer did, say he was going to fuck Adam, was walked back, instead of doubled down on. Come on. Alastor is dollar-store Rick who really looks like Wendigo!Slenderman the more I think of it, Lucifer is a somehow less terrible Jerry despite being furry/MLP bait, Charlie's Piper, though Vaggie is most certainly NOT Alex Vause, and Angeldust, despite being the focus of the first season per Vivz some time ago, does not feel like he's redeemed or particularly developed, but at least Pentious managed to go to Mormon Heaven I guess.

Does Vivz just animate her rough drafts?

 

[Roger Dennis]

Why couldn’t this show have been like what Helluva Boss started out as? You know, shenanigans with new guests. I obviously wouldn’t mind lore, but I expected helping guests, not “hOlY sHiT vAgGiE fUcK fUcKiTy FuCk AdAm Is An AsShOlE wHo WiLl ExTeRmInAtE uS aLl!!11!”

Wasted potential.

 

[ReceiveAndAsk]

Just how many plot holes do we have, now?

• Lucifer styled and clowned on Adam and could have easily stopped the exterminations
• To wit, Charlie hurt Adam, despite Series!Charlie being a worse basic bitch than Piper from orange is the new black and otherwise throwing glitter in faces while apologizing, so if she wasn't such a big gay baby there's that
• The off-screen cannibals with angel weapons that have been passed around apparently made short work of some heavenly host, though the scale of the attack seems off. Was it a hell-wide extermination or just a troop of girlscouts dressing up for Adam?
• Alastor's a goddamned bitch baby who runs on hype and farts because Vivz can't execute on anything and has more ADHD than extra pounds from her Starbucks milkshakes
• Camilla was clearly at the level to take out an angel as she demonstrated with Vaggie, who was one, also the rumor that everyone knew, even the egg boys.
• Nifty took Adam out like a prison yard shank job

The first thing cool thing that Lucifer did, say he was going to fuck Adam, was walked back, instead of doubled down on. Come on. Alastor is dollar-store Rick who really looks like Wendigo!Slenderman the more I think of it, Lucifer is a somehow less terrible Jerry despite being furry/MLP bait, Charlie's Piper, though Vaggie is most certainly NOT Alex Vause, and Angeldust, despite being the focus of the first season per Vivz some time ago, does not feel like he's redeemed or particularly developed, but at least Pentious managed to go to Mormon Heaven I guess.

Does Vivz just animate her rough drafts?

• Lucifer let the extermination happen because he didn't believe sinners were worth saving.
• Adam clearly wanted to exterminate the hotel first, and then continue to rest of hell. When Adam was killed the attack was called off.
• Seeing Alastor get too cocky and get his ass handed to him was very satisfying, the first time he fought someone who is not several power levels below him he folded very easily. This is the first acutal character developement for Alastor in the show so far.
• The biggest writing sin about Adam was him starting a monologue at the end instead of just blasting them all with that same beam he zapped Pentius and his airship.

Overall, I think most characters are clearly defined and don't have too much going in the way of plot holes. Except Charlie, who along with Vaggie are the absolute worst characters in the show.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

CHADambros, how we feeling?

 

[Scolopendra Dramatica]

I don't know how you guys are doing it, I watched a clip and couldn't get my head around everyone acting and talking like zoomie youtubers or tumblrites.

The only upside to hell would be that it's relatively empty of those faggots when compared to earth. Just terrible writing and overacting that itches the brain. I mean why would you write a hell based story and go with Biblical figures when you've got Ghengis Kahn, Adolf, Gacey, Elvis, DeeDee Blanchard and a cast of a million other evil celebrities who can't argue back to shluck into every episode.

Nobody cares about your OCs and their relationship with their dad, I'd write a low grade piece of shit bellhop and his daily adventures of dealing with the worst customers hell has to offer and striking bargains with the slightly mysterious, but utterly awful Upper Management (because reducing the devil to a cutesy, but naughty imp of a family character is fucking gay) and give a lot of them old times speech patterns from their Era to poke fun at modern mistranslations and add break-of-understanding plot points as often as I needed them.

Hey presto, a not shit version from a complete amateur with no writing degree.

Or go read the late Terry Pratchett's Good Omens (READ not watch. Shows dogshit) if you want a more professional take on Hell characters written. In which your star characters crowning achievement is beurochrating the development of the M25 into the shape of a Satanic glyph to add to the evils of London. You know, observe a little of the outside world before you write, add some realism.


Sorry for the sperg, giz some hats, I just cannot stand modern writing. They used to tell good stories when I was young and I pain for today's generations.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Why couldn’t this show have been like what Helluva Boss started out as? You know, shenanigans with new guests. I obviously wouldn’t mind lore, but I expected helping guests, not “hOlY sHiT vAgGiE fUcK fUcKiTy FuCk AdAm Is An AsShOlE wHo WiLl ExTeRmInAtE uS aLl!!11!”

Wasted potential.

Definitely a byproduct of giving the show idea to Amazon and most of the season being panic that there won’t be a season two, which they only found out late in production.

That and another show on streaming where the first season is just set up to get to what the title promised.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I just realized something about Viz's writing and its fans, namely how brainwashed and emasculated they are. Here are two dudes, one having serious beef with the other because he stole his first wife and then fucked the second one. In any normal outcome, you'd cheer for the horned dude to put that fucker six feet in the ground, but not these guys. Nope, they laugh with the asshole at the cucked guy because OMG how dare he be mysogynistic! Nevermind that he never really expressed anything other than an overly enthusiastic enjoyment of women.

Yeah, Viv has a way of unintentionally making her villains more sympathetic than the heroes. Not only did Adam have his first and second wife stolen from him, the same guy that stole them screwed up the world that was promised to Adam. And unless it's said or shown in season 2, Adam never took a bite from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, so his eyes were "never opened". It's the same thing that happened with Stella when it was revealed she was just born evil, so she can't be control of her own actions.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

CHADambros, how we feeling?
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What? The characters are not clearly labeled! How am I supposed to know?*

*who is Adam and who is Alastor?

 

[Tad Loaf]

Maybe I missed something but in regards to Carmilla, they established she was an arms dealer early on but I don't think they ever mentioned or implied she sold angelic weapons until revealed at the very end, and it doesn't make sense because if there are enough angelic weapons being bought and sold to become as rich as she is off it, how hasn't a single person in hell prior to now ever tried to use them on an angel? Feels very pulled out of their ass as they went along writing wise.

 

[I_Am_Not_Bruce_Willis]

Definitely a byproduct of giving the show idea to Amazon and most of the season being panic that there won’t be a season two, which they only found out late in production.

That and another show on streaming where the first season is just set up to get to what the title promised.

Once again, the Streaming Wars were a mistake.

 

[SubarashiiRage]

The only upside to hell would be that it's relatively empty of those faggots when compared to earth. Just terrible writing and overacting that itches the brain. I mean why would you write a hell based story and go with Biblical figures when you've got Ghengis Kahn, Adolf, Gacey, Elvis, DeeDee Blanchard and a cast of a million other evil celebrities who can't argue back to shluck into every episod

The problem with this is that Viv has a tendency to design her characters as sexy furry man which tumbrl loves simping for, so turning various genocidal dictators and real-life serial killers would end up with people worshiping terrible people, (which they already do because they are "too cute to be evil" and apart from Hittler they don't know of any other genocidal dictator, and they already like terrible fictional people) and in general they would blame HH for this instead of pointing out the idiot in the mirror.

hey already had problems referencing in a joke, Jeffrey Dahmer

So it's understandable that they don't want to repeat this with even worse people.

What is not understandable is the fact that those in the position of Overlord are a bunch of nobodies with no leadership skills with very poorly defined functions as to why they deserve respect in addition to having more magical power than others for some reason or another. How is Velvette one, when she is a fashion social media influencer? Could it be that Youtuber and Twitter personalities have a special place in Hell? Carmilla and Vox kind of make sense, weapons and news, but they don't have much of a presence in how the city works.

where are the dictators, even if they are fictitious? not only would they have millions in their body count and several atrocities in their time, but they would be responsible for bringing an army of souls to hell as well because they would have to convince thousands of people to exercise their ideologies, have more potential to rule a part of Hell than any serial killer or cult leader, and they would not sit around waiting be exterminated.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Maybe I missed something but in regards to Carmilla, they established she was an arms dealer early on but I don't think they ever mentioned or implied she sold angelic weapons until revealed at the very end, and it doesn't make sense because if there are enough angelic weapons being bought and sold to become as rich as she is off it, how hasn't a single person in hell prior to now ever tried to use them on an angel? Feels very pulled out of their ass as they went along writing wise.

It feels like the Exterminations have only been going on for several years at most, between everyone but the heads of Heaven being in the dark about them and how nobody managed to kill an Exorcist until now, when it's implied they've been going on for thousands of years, it's one of those cases where the writers don't really comprehend just how long a century, much less multiple millennia, actually is.

Considering that the world's population was only around 2 billion a century ago, you could use the skyrocketting population as the excuse to why the Exterminations were just recently put into effect.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, Viv has a way of unintentionally making her villains more sympathetic than the heroes.

She's not really unique this way. I mean Dante and Milton both made Satan a lot cooler than their shitty God.

 

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

CHADambros, how we feeling?
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We ain't just eating, we feasting!

 

[The Fair Lady]

I think something a lot of people here are overlooking with their critiques is the simple fact that Viv is a shit writer and a fujoshi Tumblrina stuck in her 2000's middle school era. That's all the explanation for why there's so many plot holes, inconsistencies and potentially better story pitches that Viv herself wouldn't be capable of making that you need. Both of her shows are edgy LBGT pandering for zoomers and that's precisely why they're so popular. The fans don't pose all these legitimate questions, they just eat it up because haha swears and muh hot gay babies.

Hazbin was never going to be a genuinely well-researched or clever view on Hell with Vivienne Medrano behind the reins. If you asked her these questions directly her response would be something along the lines of "Idk lol" or "Um actually-".