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Are MauLer's videos too long?

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One for the Shad fans

I could only listen for a little bit, but it seems that the GPrime guy was the worst one on there. Legit might be on the spectrum.
Shad said some stupid stuff as expected.
 
I listened to the latest Drinker podcast. I was floored when Mauler said he never played KOTOR. I get he may have been a bit young when the game came out, but for Star Wars fans it is a corner stone of expanded universe lore. I should not be surprised. It is right in step with him and alot of the hangers on only be familiar with the pop of pop culture crap. The only thing that makes Drinks stream entertaining to listen to are the other (much better) guests.
 
I listened to the latest Drinker podcast. I was floored when Mauler said he never played KOTOR. I get he may have been a bit young when the game came out, but for Star Wars fans it is a corner stone of expanded universe lore. I should not be surprised. It is right in step with him and alot of the hangers on only be familiar with the pop of pop culture crap. The only thing that makes Drinks stream entertaining to listen to are the other (much better) guests.
>Lore
That's your problem. This is the guy who said Dark Souls has bad storytelling and the lore isn't worth diving into because he couldn't figure it out. Hell, Clone Wars wasn't direct enough for him and took too many liberties.
 
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That's your problem. This is the guy who said Dark Souls has bad storytelling and the lore isn't worth diving into because he couldn't figure it out. Hell, Clone Wars wasn't direct enough for him and took too many liberties.
I never heard his opinion on Souls. It does not surprise me that he didn't like something that didn't beat him over the head with the plot.
My continued complaint about him is that he never goes out on his own to expand horizons. He only watched Star Trek because he did it with someone else. He never goes back to watch science fiction series. If it is not Alien or Buffy it is like it does not compute. The KOTOR comment did stun me though, and that no one questioned it was weird as well.
 
So, let's get things straight:

> MauLer allegedly never played KOTOR
> By extension, it's safe to assume he never got into the old Expanded Universe, where most of the good SW content is at
> It's also not a stretch to assume he isn't very familiar with the rest of George Lucas' filmography and the many, many older works that inspired Star Wars
> Has fucking Andor as his biggest point of comparison for what "good" Star Wars is outside the films

And yet, this is the guy who makes a video about how "Star Wars cannot grow up". Honestly, when it comes to Star Wars, MauLer is really no different than many other mediocre content creators. He is just another Chris Stuckmann, or Patrick Willems, or Schaffrillas Productions, or whatever. He is a normie, a "tourist fan", who knows very little of the franchise and only engages with the most recent and mainstream projects, but he also just happens to be way more nitpicky and up his own ass, which makes him even more unwatchable than all those other examples.
 
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So, let's get things straight:

> MauLer allegedly never played KOTOR
> By extension, it's safe to assume he never got into the old Expanded Universe, where most of the good SW content is at
> It's also not a stretch to assume he isn't very familiar with the rest of George Lucas' filmography and the many, many older works that inspired Star Wars
> Has fucking Andor as his biggest point of comparison for what "good" Star Wars is outside the films

And yet, this is the guy who makes a video about how "Star Wars cannot grow up". Honestly, when it comes to Star Wars, MauLer is really no different than many other mediocre content creators. He is just another Chris Stuckmann, or Patrick Willems, or Schaffrillas Productions, or whatever. He is a normie, a "tourist fan", who knows very little of the franchise and only engages with the most recent and mainstream projects, but he also just happens to be way more nitpicky and up his own ass, which makes him even more unwatchable than all those other examples.
To be fair, MauLer could just say "I never played KOTOR but MMOs never appealed to me." But to also be fair, he doesn't make an effort to understand what other people think/say/do beyond the most surface level, so why should anyone here do the same to him?
 
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To be fair, MauLer could just say "I never played KOTOR but MMOs never appealed to me." But to also be fair, he doesn't make an effort to understand what other people think/say/do beyond the most surface level, so why should anyone here do the same to him?
KOTOR is not an MMO. It is arguably the best Star Wars RPG ever made, and represents some of the best story telling BioWare made.
It spawned a very mediocre (my opinion) MMO, but the original game was instrumental in expanding the lore of the universe, and has been an inspiration for countless spin off stories.
It would require him to have an interest in things like video game history, and how certain games accelerated creative output across multi-media in connection with a franchise.
 
KOTOR is not an MMO. It is arguably the best Star Wars RPG ever made, and represents some of the best story telling BioWare made.
It spawned a very mediocre (my opinion) MMO, but the original game was instrumental in expanding the lore of the universe, and has been an inspiration for countless spin off stories.
It would require him to have an interest in things like video game history, and how certain games accelerated creative output across multi-media in connection with a franchise.
Sorry, mixed it up the "The Old Republic" but the overall point still stands: it's understandable if the game wasn't something he was interested in back then, but he's not someone who inspires the benefit of the doubt.
 
Sorry, mixed it up the "The Old Republic" but the overall point still stands: it's understandable if the game wasn't something he was interested in back then, but he's not someone who inspires the benefit of the doubt.
For sure. I mean instead of wasting time playing a stupid Suicide Squad game that everyone knows sucks he could go back and spend his time playing great games and expand his appreciation of something he claims to like.
The game might not be "for him", but since he jerks off over writing he could indulge himself with something that is at least a good story. But I agree with not giving the benefit of the doubt.
 
it is a corner stone of expanded universe lore
The old West End Games tabletop RPG is the cornerstone of expanded universe lore, KotOR is just a game that's tangentially related to the Tales of the Jedi comic series (no relation to the more recent show) that doesn't really have much to do with the vast majority of the EU at all.
 
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The old West End Games tabletop RPG is the cornerstone of expanded universe lore, KotOR is just a game that's tangentially related to the Tales of the Jedi comic series (no relation to the more recent show) that doesn't really have much to do with the vast majority of the EU at all.
There were a series of Knights of the Old Republic comics set before the game, and the loose tie to TOR and related media. (A few books, a short comic run.)

More broadly, I'd say KotOR had a wide impact on the fan base. It was the RPG to get on original Xbox, and while fans were arguing about if the prequels were bad at the time or not, everyone pretty much loved KotOR. The first game really showed what Star Wars could be, after the kind of let down of Ep1. Then Attack of the Clones rolls out (as well as KotOR2).
 
I listened to the latest Drinker podcast. I was floored when Mauler said he never played KOTOR. I get he may have been a bit young when the game came out, but for Star Wars fans it is a corner stone of expanded universe lore.
I think he's deliberately avoiding expanded universe shit because he'll be "forced" to criticize it negatively. I believe this is why he passed the buck of Clone Wars to his main jannie Theo.

The Old Republic era has a lot of "wilder stuff" when it comes to force powers, characters and power scaling that he will 100% disapprove of and he knows it will be a very unpopular take. Like I would totally see him mocking things like personal shielding, force healing and characters like Darth Sion.

Here's more Shad material: Apparently he got into a feud with "Sellsword Arts". Here's the original video and Shad's cope video. I didn't delve more deeper than that but Shad assuming that "Armchair Warrior" was aimed at him is incredibly funny.
 
I think he's deliberately avoiding expanded universe shit because he'll be "forced" to criticize it negatively. I believe this is why he passed the buck of Clone Wars to his main jannie Theo.

The Old Republic era has a lot of "wilder stuff" when it comes to force powers, characters and power scaling that he will 100% disapprove of and he knows it will be a very unpopular take. Like I would totally see him mocking things like personal shielding, force healing and characters like Darth Sion.

Here's more Shad material: Apparently he got into a feud with "Sellsword Arts". Here's the original video and Shad's cope video. I didn't delve more deeper than that but Shad assuming that "Armchair Warrior" was aimed at him is incredibly funny.
This take doesn't explain why he NEVER bothered exploring that content. He's had years to watch/read those stories, before he was making content on Youtube and apparently never bothered.

I agree with the other people who say that he's just lazy. Or do you think he's lying to save face?
 
This take doesn't explain why he NEVER bothered exploring that content. He's had years to watch/read those stories, before he was making content on Youtube and apparently never bothered.

I agree with the other people who say that he's just lazy. Or do you think he's lying to save face?
When it comes to the EU novels and comics, I really do think it's due to laziness. There's enough precedent in MauLer's consumption habits to conclude as much.

The KOTOR thing is weird, though. He definitely has some familiarity with other SW games (used footage from the OG Battlefront in the TLJ review, talked about The Force Unleashed on EFAP, played one of the Disney ones on stream), but somehow never touched KOTOR? The two most widely known and respected games in the franchise? The ones that have the most to offer from a writing perspective? Two games that are also pretty accessible and usually serve as a gateway/entry point to the wider EU for a lot of people? There's no clear answer for why he never played it, except for his general lack of curiosity towards most media (I do think if the remake had come out already he would probably have played that instead).

For sure. I mean instead of wasting time playing a stupid Suicide Squad game that everyone knows sucks he could go back and spend his time playing great games and expand his appreciation of something he claims to like.
That's one of the biggest gripes I have with MauLer, EFAP and most of the "modern movies suck" bros. Even if I concede that a lot of big productions coming out right now aren't particularly interesting, there's absolutely nothing stopping them from digging deeper into the yearly releases, or simply seeking out older works.

Every time they watch an obviously mediocre movie or show that just came out, and then waste hours discussing it on multiple streams or reviews, there was an active choice to dedicate their time to consuming bad things, rather than going after better media. Like, even if someone has already watched, read or played a huge amount of good and celebrated works, they most certainly still haven't consumed all good media ever released. There's always something else to discover. But, of course, you have to put the effort to seek out better media, and that means expanding your horizons, trying out new things, engaging with different formats of storytelling, which they clearly don't do.

There are some reasons to watch bad movies. Some people just like scraping the bottom of the barrel to find some "So Bad, It's Good" material, because that sort of stuff can be fun in it's own right, but that's not really EFAP's approach. Watching bad media for the purposes of criticism is a valid excuse, but only to an extent. It's not worth it if you're dedicating all your time to this sort of stuff, and letting it basically become your only point of reference for what modern movies and shows are, while deliberately ignoring all the good stuff you could be watching instead. Maybe some media it's worth making hour-long reviews on, but only if it's a massive fuck up (The SW sequel trilogy is definitely something that you could spend hours discussing all of its problems, though I don't think MauLer's critiques are particularly good in this regard). You don't need a 4-hour long breakdown for a subpar blockbuster such as Black Widow. This type of video is not something worth consuming. It's not something worth creating. And the fact that MauLer sees his own content as being just as "helpful" to other people as the genuinely well made YMS Kimba video (per his own word, in their Critical Drinker defense stream) just goes to show how incredibly arrogant he has become.
 
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If he hasn’t played KOTOR then there’s a good chance he hasn’t touched the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series which if I recall correctly introduces the location where Darth Bane killed all the sith and instituted the rule of two. That was basically the gateway to set up many of the events that shaped the pre-movies (Star Wars timeline) lore.

Then of course there are the various book series that I would bet money he hasn’t read.

Admittedly I haven’t seen much of EFAP’s content beyond their Star Wars stuff. But if they are the staunch lore defenders that they come off as then this oversight by their head guy pokes a major hole in all of their defenses for the lore and brings into question every argument that they make. Not to PL too much, but if a middle schooler struggling to learn English as a second language like me could get through the material then the EFAP guys have no excuse.
 
This take doesn't explain why he NEVER bothered exploring that content. He's had years to watch/read those stories, before he was making content on Youtube and apparently never bothered.

I agree with the other people who say that he's just lazy. Or do you think he's lying to save face?
Reminder, Mauler has read no more than two books his entire life.
 
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The two books thing is just crazy to me. Did he not have to read as a kid or something? Even if you haven't read a real book in a while as an adult surely the total would be over two.
 
I saw this on Synthetic Man's Suicide Squad video :lol:
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If he hasn’t played KOTOR then there’s a good chance he hasn’t touched the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series which if I recall correctly introduces the location where Darth Bane killed all the sith and instituted the rule of two. That was basically the gateway to set up many of the events that shaped the pre-movies (Star Wars timeline) lore.
Dark Forces was based as hell. I remember playing that Hexen on my dad's computer when he took me into work. He would never bother though.
 
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