Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Feline Supremacist said:
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"I don't believe this! Whom should I call?"

Believe it and call Volga, dumbass except they won't. The Azov kosher Nazis probably committed countless war crimes and have Hakenkreuz tattoos all over their bodies so they'd rather die anyway. But yeah, Adveevka is Russian. Now to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
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Believe it hun. It’s a war, and if Igor has to choose between MAYBE escaping with his life and getting droned because he’s pulling a sleigh with Boris, what do you reckon he’ll do?

Especially is Boris and Igor only met three weeks ago, because they had the misfortune of getting nabbed by Zelensky’s goons on the same day in their respective village.

“Just wait guys, we will totally send a truck for you! Oh hey, I’ll just grab your rations and ammo for the trip. I’m sure the truck will be here real soon!”

Quite possible this guy is the lucky one. His “comrades” could have bought the ticket fleeing, while all he needs to do is to not be an idiot and call Volga.

If he further has the luck that his wife doesn’t start fucking some fat old German for EU citizenship, while he twiddles his thumbs in Omsk for the next year or two, he’s really golden.


EDIT: Take it with a grain of salt but…

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One of the leaders of the 3rd Assault brigade (formerly Azov) who were sent to reinforce Avdeevka calls the situation “no longer just ‘critical’”

Also good news out of Chasov Yar

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Ukrainian resistance is visibly weakening. If Ukraine loses their positions here, it may mean a collapse of the entire North Donetsk front, according to Russian sources.

Reason for optimism even if cautious. Overall a really good week for Z bros.
 
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  1. Defend meaningless and or worthless town for far longer than you should have
  2. Absolutely refuse to cede even an inch of ground of this village or nameless pile of dirt in the ass end of Eastern Ukraine because it would look bad on the newspaper
  3. Eventually get outflanked by the advancing enemy
  4. Get any roads you would use to retreat either straight up controlled by the enemy or at the very least under their fire control
  5. Finally start retreating a month after everybody figured out it's a lost cause
  6. Take massive casualties at very little cost to the enemy
  7. Claim you actually killed a gorillion separatists/vatniks and therefore you won anyways
  8. Rinse and repeat for 8 years
 
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Givi said:
  1. Defend meaningless and or worthless town for far longer than you should have
  2. Absolutely refuse to cede even an inch of ground of this village or nameless pile of dirt in the ass end of Eastern Ukraine because it would look bad on the newspaper
  3. Eventually get outflanked by the advancing enemy
  4. Get any roads you would use to retreat either straight up controlled by the enemy or at the very least under their fire control
  5. Finally start retreating a month after everybody figured out it's a lost cause
  6. Take massive casualties
  7. Rinse and repeat for 8 years
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It’s not totally meaningless though. They’ve built a major fortress in Avdeevka, spending years and pouring tons of concrete.

Russian soldiers report several stories
underground, complete with underground tanks for fuel, lubricants and ammo.

It’s within artillery range of Donetsk. Control Avdeevka and you effectively have a major foothold in Eastern Ukraine.

Bakhmut was just hohols being hohols. Avdeevka is their Gustav line.

Also: Again I don’t want to be too optimistic, but the Russian army took hundreds of thousands of volunteers last year. It takes a good six months to turn volunteers into anything resembling an army. Those volunteers are just starting to be fielded, and Russian manpower will increase over the spring.
 
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Cuckoman said:
This retarded even by russian slav-nigger standards. Only reason I can come up with for him deliberately sending them in there to die is that team nazi-azov are best friends with deposed Z-gen, and best to send them to die so they won't get any ideas about reinstating Z-gen in a coup.
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That definitely would be some medieval-level cloak and dagger scheming, which we've already seen pop up before in this war (Hi Prigozhin!).
 
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Well, it is retarded but lets all hope Ukrainians will continue repeating same mistake. I think we can all agree on that.


Also, with the news of Russian having intergalactic capability. I for one am impressed. Stalin took an agrarian nation and made it into a industrial one and a superpower. Putin took a gas station and made it into a galactic ferrying nation.
 
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Cuckoman said:
It did not take long for Sirsky to show his unmatched skills as a commander.
Why did he send 5-7000 of his elite troops into a lost cause, just to have them trapped and either surrender or getting killed to the last man?
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I'm not sure that any additional troops were actually sent into the city. It seems like the Azov Brigade was deployed as a "backstop" behind the city near the chemical plant and the troops in the city were the brigades already deployed in the area (110th and parts of the 116th brigade). Or the Azov Brigade decided not to get any closer to the city than the chemical plant.

It was clear a long time ago that Ukraine needed to start pulling back units from the far outposts in the city. Like the airbase, the pump station and the fort to the northeast. They should have concentrated the forces they had left in the city center and gradually fell back.

But on the other hand nobody really expected the total collapse of the Ukrainian forces guarding the road out of the city. The Russians were able to advance to the main road and beyond very fast. The advance was so fast that some of the mappers were doubting it this week.
 
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Fapcop said:
It’s not totally meaningless though. They’ve built a major fortress in Avdeevka, spending years and pouring tons of concrete.

Russian soldiers report several stories
underground, complete with underground tanks for fuel, lubricants and ammo.

It’s within artillery range of Donetsk. Control Avdeevka and you effectively have a major foothold in Eastern Ukraine.

Bakhmut was just hohols being hohols. Avdeevka is their Gustav line.
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It was a major fortress months ago. Now it's a death trap. Realistically, the moment you cease to be able to control an enemy's advance on the flanks of your super cool fortress you spent 8 years fortifying against a possible rebel advance, the fortress is meaningless.

Any good commander should have realized at least a month ago that defending Adviivka any further would just be a drain on resources and started organizing a careful retreat. Ukraine is at the point where their greatest asset is the sheer size of the country, if they're completely unwilling to trade miles for time, then there's no path to victory. You can't defend everything you'd like to defend, even if X or Y place would have been good for it like Adviivka is. I'm half certain that the only reason the UAF refuses to cede ground is because it looks bad to the average observer when you lose territory, even if that territory was realistically indefensible.

I agree that Adviivka was a great place to defend, all things considered. But its greatest use is for bombing random people in Donetsk, so it should be really low when it comes to military priorities. Defending it until your only option for pulling back troops is through a road that is essentially under fire 24/7 is a terrible idea and should never happen. I'm not even going to mention how bad it is that they let the Russians cut the city in half since that's self-explanatory.
 
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Givi said:
enemy's advance on the flanks
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Givi said:
mention how bad it is that they let the Russians cut the city in half since that's self-explanatory.
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I don't Ukraine let them do either of these things. I think Ukraine is tactically unable to stop those things. Russia especially with the use of FABs becoming much larger has gotten much better at assaulting places tactically speaking. Compare Bakhumut to Avdeevka. Avdeevka has gone better for the Russians. I'd say Avdeevka is more like Soledar than Bakhumut. Granted Ukraine has definitely been degraded but I think part of this is Russia has figured out how to attack a place without taking too many losses. Particularly the Russians cutting Avdeevka in half even though that was all urban combat suggests this.

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If they really have caught 5-7000 AFU soldiers in there, it’s a major blow to the Banderites.
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For reference if Ukraine has around 500k actual combat troops in the field(not all military personal) 7000 trapped men is around 1.5% of their entire force lost in a single action. I don't think Ukraine has 500k men either. So the percentage lost is probably higher.


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There seem to be a lot of Russian forces concentrating in the Orekhov direction. This is around where Robotyne is. Perhaps Russia is going to cut this salient off soon.


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The same also seems to be true around the Bakhumut/Chasiv Yar direction.

Looks like Russia is going to keep up the pressure after Avdeevka falls.
 
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Napoleon III said:
I don't Ukraine let them do either of these things. I think Ukraine is tactically unable to stop those things. Russia especially with the use of FABs becoming much larger has gotten much better at assaulting places tactically speaking. Compare Bakhumut to Avdeevka. Avdeevka has gone better for the Russians. I'd say Avdeevka is more like Soledar than Bakhumut. Granted Ukraine has definitely been degraded but I think part of this is Russia has figured out how to attack a place without taking too many losses. Particularly the Russians cutting Avdeevka in half even though that was all urban combat suggests this.


For reference if Ukraine has around 500k actual combat troops in the field(not all military personal) 7000 trapped men is around 1.5% of their entire force lost in a single action. I don't think Ukraine has 500k men either. So the percentage lost is probably higher.


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There seem to be a lot of Russian forces concentrating in the Orekhov direction. This is around where Robotyne is. Perhaps Russia is going to cut this salient off soon.


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The same also seems to be true around the Bakhumut/Chasiv Yar direction.

Looks like Russia is going to keep up the pressure after Avdeevka falls.
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Not to mention the areas directly west and north of Avdeevka. I didn't appreciate just how close Avdeevka was to Donetsk, but it is essentially on the outskirts of Donetsk.

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Unless Ukraine has substantial defensive lines built up west of Avdeevka - which seems unlikely given how much they've dedicated to Avdeevka as well as how much territory Russia has captured to the north of Avdeevka in the last few days - its going to open an express lane for Russia to capture a huge portion of territory.
 
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Napoleon III said:
For reference if Ukraine has around 500k actual combat troops in the field(not all military personal) 7000 trapped men is around 1.5% of their entire force lost in a single action. I don't think Ukraine has 500k men either. So the percentage lost is probably higher.
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Armies have a really long tail though, so that 1.5 percent would mean an even larger percentage of assault troops. Even if part of those 7000 are mechanics, cooks etc.

(For some reason the Russians are really good at capturing cooks! Every time you see those POW interviews, they’re always just cooks and drivers. Imagine that, a whole army of cooks. Who fires those artillery shells at Donetsk and Belgorod?!)

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Not to mention the areas directly west and north of Avdeevka. I didn't appreciate just how close Avdeevka was to Donetsk, but it is essentially on the outskirts of Donetsk.

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Unless Ukraine has substantial defensive lines built up west of Avdeevka - which seems unlikely given how much they've dedicated to Avdeevka as well as how much territory Russia has captured to the north of Avdeevka in the last few days - its going to open an express lane for Russia to capture a huge portion of territory.
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There aren’t many obstacles till you get to the Dniepr river and the marshes around Kiev.

That river has always been a good divider historically as well. East of the river was Russia, west of the river was Austria-Hungary, Poland etc. At least before recent history.
 
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Napoleon III said:
I don't Ukraine let them do either of these things. I think Ukraine is tactically unable to stop those things. Russia especially with the use of FABs becoming much larger has gotten much better at assaulting places tactically speaking. Compare Bakhumut to Avdeevka. Avdeevka has gone better for the Russians. I'd say Avdeevka is more like Soledar than Bakhumut. Granted Ukraine has definitely been degraded but I think part of this is Russia has figured out how to attack a place without taking too many losses. Particularly the Russians cutting Avdeevka in half even though that was all urban combat suggests this.
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I feel like it's necessary to take a moment to appreciate how fast Russia is innovating their technology and battle tactics. They're able to immediately see what works and what doesn't work and completely change their tactics and modify their equipment by the next incursion. If Ukraine (and by Extension NATO and America) wanted to do something logical like add drone resistant bimini tank tops it would take over a year just to come up with the concept, get it approved for consideration, get it designed and tested, then get a series of contractors lined up to make it. It takes them several months to change a strategy that is actively failing. Every month of Russian innovation puts it another year or more ahead of the Americans.
 
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Saleh said:
Didn't Russia lose something like 90 armoured vehicles/tanks in Avdiivka?

The early phase of this battle saw heavy russian losses but the losses decreased a lot as the battle continued and Russian firepower increased.
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I always take Ukrainian and especially "independent" OSINT claims about Russian losses with a couple of kilograms of salt.
 
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Saleh said:
Didn't Russia lose something like 90 armoured vehicles/tanks in Avdiivka?

The early phase of this battle saw heavy russian losses but the losses decreased a lot as the battle continued and Russian firepower increased.
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Even if true (I doubt) the difference is that Russia is easily able to replace such losses. Ukraine can't even pass a mobilization bill, is demonstrably out of anti-air ammo and has little to no armor left. They are 100% dependent on handouts and donations.
 
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