Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Male Idiot]

Inter- means between. Intergalactic means between galaxies, it doesn't mean "really badass". An Intercity train is a train that goes between large cities, not the 30km pile of whatever the fuck that the Russians built in Ukraine recently.

Yeah. Inter is between, intra is inside one, right? So intragalactic is in one galaxy, interplanetary is between two planets, inter system between two star systems, intrasystem between two planets in the same system right?

 

[The Ugly One]

Any good commander should have realized at least a month ago that defending Adviivka any further would just be a drain on resources and started organizing a careful retreat. Ukraine is at the point where their greatest asset is the sheer size of the country, if they're completely unwilling to trade miles for time, then there's no path to victory. You can't defend everything you'd like to defend, even if X or Y place would have been good for it like Adviivka is. I'm half certain that the only reason the UAF refuses to cede ground is because it looks bad to the average observer when you lose territory, even if that territory was realistically indefensible.

History is full of smoothbrains who believed that troops fighting to the death to hold onto territory would prevent the territory from falling into enemy hands, or at least damage the enemy so much that his advance would be stopped. Hitler and Stalin both had their ineffective "not one step back" orders, but they're hardly the only examples.

 

[Overly Serious]

Yeah. Inter is between, intra is inside one, right? So intragalactic is in one galaxy, interplanetary is between two planets, inter system between two star systems, intrasystem between two planets in the same system right?

This is correct. And none of them are useful ways to describe the suggested weapon which would be better termed an orbital weapon. Even that is misleading because it suggests a weapon in orbit, typically targeting ground-based targets. We don't know if the hypothetical weapon they're talking about is actually ground-based and targets satellites or if it would actually hang around in orbit waiting for activation (the first sounds more likely if such a weapon exists).

Anyway, I think by this point we have established ABC don't know what they're talking about.

History is full of smoothbrains who believed that troops fighting to the death to hold onto territory would prevent the territory from falling into enemy hands, or at least damage the enemy so much that his advance would be stopped. Hitler and Stalin both had their ineffective "not one step back" orders, but they're hardly the only examples.

So to you and the other posters, I'd posit that you're all thinking in terms of what is advantageous to Kiev faction in terms of winning the war themselves and you would be correct in those terms. But I don't think Kiev believes it can defeat Russia and their actual hopes are pinned on Western intervention. In this scenario, any territory they lose has a good chance of being lost for good whilst lost equipment and men would replenish over time. Ergo, the goal is to hold onto as much territory as humanly possible - even at high cost - so that when NATO rides in to the valley of death on their white horses to save the day and freezes the conflict Ukraine still has as much of its territory as possible.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Not to mention the areas directly west and north of Avdeevka. I didn't appreciate just how close Avdeevka was to Donetsk, but it is essentially on the outskirts of Donetsk.

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Unless Ukraine has substantial defensive lines built up west of Avdeevka - which seems unlikely given how much they've dedicated to Avdeevka as well as how much territory Russia has captured to the north of Avdeevka in the last few days - its going to open an express lane for Russia to capture a huge portion of territory.

Yeah I have seen a few sources that basically call Avdeevka a suburb of Donetsk. The coping about Avdeevka sounds like Bahkmut all over again.

 

[01169]

Nawalny is supposed to be dead. This is shaping up to be a disastrous week for the West.

 

[kuuu]

Nawalny is supposed to be dead. This is shaping up to be a disastrous week for the West.

Novichok sure works slow.

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/101739

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/101740

 

[Male Idiot]

It was CRPs ghost!

 

[just a banana]

obviously

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1758473890651676835

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Kiev believes

Why do you, and a lot of others, indulge the fiction that Kiev is making decisions about this or anything else in the Ukraine? It's the US, and that's why Nuland came to straighten everyone out a couple of weeks ago.

No one here hopes to defeat Russia, just weaken it enough to get a toehold and begin the Rus version of Maidan.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

No one here hopes to defeat Russia, just weaken it enough to get a toehold and begin the Rus version of Maidan.

Instructions unclear, kickstarted Russian military-industrial complex into high gear, quintupled the size of the Russian army and gave it plenty of combat experience.

 

[The Ugly One]

So to you and the other posters, I'd posit that you're all thinking in terms of what is advantageous to Kiev faction in terms of winning the war themselves and you would be correct in those terms. But I don't think Kiev believes it can defeat Russia and their actual hopes are pinned on Western intervention. In this scenario, any territory they lose has a good chance of being lost for good whilst lost equipment and men would replenish over time. Ergo, the goal is to hold onto as much territory as humanly possible - even at high cost - so that when NATO rides in to the valley of death on their white horses to save the day and freezes the conflict Ukraine still has as much of its territory as possible.

I'm thinking in terms of how humans act on a gut level, which is often not rational and not consistent with anyone's interests at all. Retreating just feels like losing. Your lizard brain tells you that if you never retreat, you never lose. In tactical strategy games, to get good, you have overcome your natural instinct to always attack, never retreat, never give ground. On that point, it's not much different than real warfare.

I don't think he's weighing things like you describe. He's acting like commanders often do when they are losing wars. The thinking is mostly, "We've lost so much ground - maybe if we just fight more desperately, refuse to surrender, bite and claw for every inch, we'll stop losing!" They act more desperately and waste even more resources trying to hold ground in a panicked attempt to try to reverse their fortunes, which only accelerates their doom.

 

[Meh123]

This thing where we fell into the Command and Conquer universe is disturbing. Not a Tesla tank to be seen.

We have a tesla humvee that can be equipped with treads. Ask Musk if he's interested in creating one (strictly solar powered ofc..)

"...Russian capture of Avdiivka would not be operationally significant..."

Fucking kill me, these guys are blowing so much smoke up peoples arses I bet even if the Russians took Kyiv they would somehow spin it as not being operationally significant.

Avdiivka, a city fortified to fuck by the Ukrainians and having resources poured into it ever since the Donbass republics came into existence, how more significant can you get?

That you?

 

[Smug Chuckler]

We didn't fund the Space Farce to stop Russian nuclear silos in Space, and now it's too late, the Russians have built the DEATH TSAR

 

[geckogoy]

The classic idea of orbital nuclear weapons is that you keep a ring of them in a relatively low trajectory, such that they are constantly passing over your enemy's territory at all times. This means they can abruptly de-orbit and potentially strike their target with only a minute or two of warning, basically short-circuiting MAD. Hence the very existence of these weapons was suicide and both sides were pretty happy to agree to not build that. Afaik that is one of the original main reasons why the US and USSR agreed to 'not weaponize space'.

e: lol, lmao

We didn't fund the Space Farce to stop Russian nuclear silos in Space, and now it's too late, the Russians have built the DEATH TSAR

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[Feline Supremacist]

obviously
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1758473890651676835

They were never getting Crimea back anyway.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

Novichok sure works slow.

Another meat puppet gone. Who will replace him?

 

[Susanna]

I wonder who western media will pivot to as the "rightful president of Russia" now. If I proclaimed myself anti-Putin, do you think as a brave woman candidate of colour I would stand a chance? I can hush about my plans for the Ukraine (and the other ex-Soviet republics) until they've actually installed me.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

If I proclaimed myself anti-Putin, do you think as a brave woman candidate of colour I would stand a chance? I can hush about my plans for the Ukraine (and the other ex-Soviet republics) until they've actually installed me.

A Jew trying to become the ruler of the Russian people with the support of the everyman, where have I seen this before...

 

[Rubick]

Them sanctions at work guys!

https://archive.fo/qsdzb

anyway

 

[White_N]

In fact, it's all a cover-up, obviously he joined the military in exchange for freedom and died in the storming of Avdeevka.
Let's not forget the war heroes!