Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Napoleon III said:
You can't even say how many Ukrainians were trapped inside, 5k is just an estimate. I don't think more than half of the people that ran for it made it. But I could easily be wrong. It is a giant mess and putting good numbers on things is impossible.
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Just one Russian tactical aviation unit bragged that they had delivered 250 FAB s in one day.

Count drones on top of that, and escaping must have been risky indeed.

Saw one particularly gruesome clip of a running Ukrop getting hit by a drone in the back.

His fellow soldier was running right behind him and ran right through the explosion and splattered mass of his comrade.

I reckon he’s still rubbing all the way to Kiev. I sure would.
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
The Russian coof death toll between April 2020 and November 2021 amounts to more than 625,000, just to put things into perspective.
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I wonder if they used to same methodology in counting them as america did, where they would count every infected person as a covid death even if they had comorbidities like a gunshot wound through their brain?
 
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"You've turned off our water
we turned off your Avdeevka!"
Reference to what khokhols did to Crimea in 2014.
 
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Betonhaus said:
I wonder if they used to same methodology in counting them as america did, where they would count every infected person as a covid death even if they had comorbidities like a gunshot wound through their brain?
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Yes. They also counted every unconfirmed but suspected case.
kuuu said:
Reference to what khokhols did to Crimea in 2014.
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What is the water status right now, by the way? After the dam explosion and everything?
 
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The Ugly One said:
History is full of smoothbrains who believed that troops fighting to the death to hold onto territory would prevent the territory from falling into enemy hands, or at least damage the enemy so much that his advance would be stopped. Hitler and Stalin both had their ineffective "not one step back" orders, but they're hardly the only examples.
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Well in Hitlers defense, he had no other option since they where out of gas.
Germany where masters of maneuver warfare and would have done much better if they did mobile defense, that is true, but to do mobile defense, you need fuel for your vehicles, something which Germany severely lacked and had no chance of getting after they pulled back from the Baku oilfields.
Thus digging in and holding on till death was all they could do in many cases since maneuver warfare was out of the question. Listening to von Manstein's drivel about "I could totally destroy the Russian army if the meanie pants Hitler didn't get in my way" was suicide.
 
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Fighting Type Pokemon said:
What is the water status right now, by the way? After the dam explosion and everything?
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Not too bad, from what I see. They have plenty of reserves in case of emergencies.

Addendum: I remembered reading some personal accounts of people from Crimea, that they have their tubs filled in case they know that there will be shutdowns and literally everyone seems to have personal bottled reserves.
 
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Gondolindrim said:
Randos on Twitter discussing battlefield tactics and strategic positioning as if they have any fucking idea what it all means is hilarious. Also I love that NAFO from Brazil(?) getting into it with an actual Ukranian. What happened to a united front?
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something something dunning-kruger something something dumber the more they think they know
i have little clue what's actually happening but all i can tell is ukraine does stupid shit like conscripting women while russia keeps advancing
 
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Now for something less gruesome.

Found an interesting clip from Chatroulette/telegram.



Chatroulette and Telegram is one of the places where Russian and Ukrainians can still communicate. I’ve seen some Russians who play music for Ukrainians (like old Kino songs that they both know) and this is one of them. The Ukrainian guys reaction is quite something.
 

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Uncle Holter said:
Well in Hitlers defense, he had no other option since they where out of gas.
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Wrong. The other option was to retreat. Letting your troops get encircled results in you losing the land you hoped to hold and all the men and materiel you left there.

Uncle Holter said:
Thus digging in and holding on till death was all they could do in many cases since maneuver warfare was out of the question.
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Wrong. Retreating to a defensible position and digging in there was absolutely an option, but Hitler wouldn't allow it since in his amphetamine-addled brain, retreating is losing, so all you have to do is not retreat, and you win. All sitting in the "Feste Plaetze" did was get tens or even hundreds of thousands of men slaughtered as Soviet artillery rained down on them. The result of this was when the inevitable happened, the rear defenses were badly undermanned, hastily thrown together, and easily overrun by Soviet offenses.

The one time the Soviets actually did have to run into a built-up German salient head-on was at Rzhev, and they suffered catastrophic losses. Fortunately for the Red Army, Hitler's prohibition of tactical retreats from Stalingrad onward ensured that never happened to them again. Imagine what an extra 600,000 men could have accomplished at the Battle of Seelow Heights.

Hitler's strategy ended with the Russians raping their way across Berlin. It's hard to imagine a bigger failure than Hitler's tactical command. Well, now we have Zelensky giving him a run for his money.
 
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