Horrorcow Murray Root / Lysik'an / Grimau / Ancient Guardian - Patriarch of the Crazy Autistic Fairy Headmate Family

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While I don't disagree with you, I like playing devil's advocate.

Assuming Lissa exists, based on Georgia's guardianship rules, a person can be deemed incompetent in the event of

mental illness
mental exceptionalism
mental disability
physical illness or disability
chronic use of drugs or alcohol.

and

to the extent that the person lacked sufficient understanding or capacity to make significant responsible decisions or the ability to communicate such decisions concerning his person or is incapable of managing his estate.


Based on Lissa's Tumblr posts, I'd hazard a guess that her physical issues stemming from Turner's (high blood pressure, severe under weight (15.5 BMI), whatever else I'm forgetting), in combination with her being non-verbal satisfies the requirement for her to lack the ability to communicate decisions regarding her health. There was also a post where she explicitly states she's unable to handle her finances, which satisfies the "incapable of managing his estate" requirement. Plus, autism is a recognized disability all by itself, so I can see how it would be plausible that a person in Lissa's position could be under guardianship.

It depends on how literally you take his Turner's Syndrome claim. He says that they have Turner's Syndrome but never really ties that into the stories other than the fact that they look like children. All of the actual debilitating issues seem to stem from autism. If you go buy the actual, literal, definition of Turner's Syndrome, then the character could definitely be deemed incompetent, but Murray's version of Turner Syndrome seems to simply be a disease that turns adults into little fairies.
 
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Okay, so here's the thing: finding someone legally incompetent is a lot harder than Murray seems to think it is. While I have absolutely no problem buying that the eldritch abomination that is Baby would be found incompetent and would need a legal guardian, I don't think Lissa actually could be. Yeah, so she's an ever-pissing nudist nightmare, but simply being nonverbal and finding it hard to negotiate social situations does not render you incapable of making your own decisions about your money or your health, which is what a guardianship would take away from you.

The endless protestations that Lissa looks like a nubile loli fantasy, but is totally 400 years old and has the ability to reason to match, are exactly why it would be very difficult for her to qualify for legal guardianship. Declaring someone incompetent isn't something that's done lightly. Competency is also not the same thing as independence: you can need a round-the-clock carer and be legally competent. The fact that Lissa understands her own needs and desires and can articulate them, albeit non-verbally, mean she's not incompetent.

Here's a situation I actually saw play out: an adult with moderate learning difficulties, who is dependent on the care of her mother, is found to have a serious chronic illness. This woman's condition means she will need regular hospital treatment, and if she refuses that treatment she will very quickly sicken and die. The woman finds the treatment very unpleasant and traumatic, and decides she does not want to continue it. It is explained to her that if she does not have this treatment, her illness will kill her. She still refuses to go ahead.

This woman, who was considerably less articulate and independent than Lissa is portrayed as being, and who had considerably more to lose, was still found to be legally competent. She continued to refuse treatment, and she died very shortly afterward.

Fuck you and your sex goblins, Murray. You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

What's weird is that by the OP's Tumblr shots, Lissa and Baby are living together, so there's the "nubile loli fantasy" who is nonverbal and incontinent and Baby, who is barely verbal (talks like Jar-Jar Binks) and also presumably incontinent, and both of them have sex with each other. I'm not sure how Murray fits into all of this in the fantasy (and I'm sure it is), but even in the fantasy, Murray is literally in a world of shit.
 
Quick reminder for Seebs, courtesy of @Fangsofjeff, that you are believing someone who claims that the justice system works like this:

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Hahaha..
"Bleah". Just another day in the life of an irresistible girl/woman. It mentions numerous times that people are always trying to grope/rape/kidnap her. Like she's the last child on earth to the pedo world, like niggas can't even finish their sandwich order without trying to absconce with her. Pedo catnip, she is..
 
Why does the other forum refer to Murray as "AG"? When quoting us, they switch it out.
 
Yeah, I find that claim pretty doubtful. The closest anyone has claimed to "knowing" lissa is Seebs, who has been internet friends with her for a long time.

I wonder if a single person has ever seen a picture of her...
 
Why does the other forum refer to Murray as "AG"? When quoting us, they switch it out.
Ancient Guardian.

Yeah, I find that claim pretty doubtful. The closest anyone has claimed to "knowing" lissa is Seebs, who has been internet friends with her for a long time.

I wonder if a single person has ever seen a picture of her...

Or heard her voice. It's really convenient that she's non vocal!
 
Ancient Guardian.



Or heard her voice. It's really convenient that she's non vocal!

If real life was anything what the documentary/black comedy Bernie portrayed, the titular character was able to fool everyone in town for weeks claiming the old woman he just shot and hid in the freezer had a stroke and couldn't talk on the phone. I wonder that if anyone was able to get in contact with "Ancient Guardian" and asked for Lissa, if Murray just held the microphone near a gerbil cage.
 
Not sure I can muster a care what some other forum on the internet wants to believe. It's obvious none of them has ever held a proper job, if they believe a half-naked violent incontinent nonverbal would be welcome in a public workplace. Any corporate legal department would have kittens.
 
Hahaha..
"Bleah". Just another day in the life of an irresistible girl/woman. It mentions numerous times that people are always trying to grope/rape/kidnap her. Like she's the last child on earth to the pedo world, like niggas can't even finish their sandwich order without trying to absconce with her. Pedo catnip, she is..
Another fairly standard part of the Mary Sue fantasy, that. The author constantly feels the need to prove just how inhumanly sexy and desirable their creation is just in case we'd forgotten since the last time they brought it up, and so everyone who so much as lays eyes on her wants a piece of her superlative ass and she's incapable of walking down the street without being leered at, accosted or - as Murray does with Lissa - threatened with molestation or rape. (Bonus Sue points for having Lissa react like this is something she just expects to happen and is too cool to acknowledge in anything more than passing.) It's a ridiculous enough trope in fanfic without Murray trying to claim that this is what Lissa's actual life is like. If even half of these stories were even halfway true, the only mistake the Hollaback campaign made was hiring an actress to wander around town for a day when they could have simply shadowed Lissa. Maybe they took exception to the smell?
 
You can't just release Lissa onto the streets like that! She'd reduce the population into quivering rape-monkeys. It'd be like '28 days later' but with more erections.. Oh and the smell. Always the smell..
 
Oh my God, they're playing the sexism card. And on top of that, the first poster accuses us of having weird sex obsessions when they're defending someone who openly has incest and watersport fetishes. I really want to see them explain how all this works, the mental gymnastics on display would be art.
 
Not sure I can muster a care what some other forum on the internet wants to believe. It's obvious none of them has ever held a proper job, if they believe a half-naked violent incontinent nonverbal would be welcome in a public workplace. Any corporate legal department would have kittens.

This is a tumblr alternative designed specifically for people who don't want word limits on their posts, populated largely by the 'neurodivergent' community.

If a well-respected member of a community like this is accused of being a pedophile, these people are going to joke about it at length, ignore any evidence or reasonable doubt, and passionately take the side of the accused- as long as those accusations are coming from people that aren't in the clique.

I'm not trying to rant and rave about
'Da SJW's' but these mental illness communities are especially bad about this.
 
All of this hinges on us believing that it happened in the first place, which... we didn't. You can see as much right in the OP.

For people who accuse us so often of twisting Murray's words and inventing lies about him, they sure do love doing the same to us in a completely linear and organized thread.

With regards to the actual harm Murray is doing with his extended fetish roleplay, my mind leans towards two things. First would be the fact that he puts his characters out there as real, inspirational, disability-positive people, playing Munchausen's by internet to stroke both his ego and his dick. I can't help but find it monumentally disrespectful to people who actually have nonverbal autism and/or Turner syndrome, and I truly hope that no one who is or loves someone with these conditions ever has to get involved with this wreck. The second is how he's said his sons should "get over" being molested, which is honestly indefensible, as it shows that - one way or another - his fetishistic attitudes towards sexual abuse have crossed over into reality.
 
Oh "jacktrash," you are ridiculous. No one here is making an anti-feminist or sexist stance that Lissa should never ever be able to hit a MAN, oh dear, what is the world coming to wherein a woman can defend herself without repercussions, clutch my pearls and chain me to the stove. Many of you have a very hard time following what we're saying and I don't know if it stems from bad faith or a genuine inability to formulate good responses but when you're not strawmanning you're outright inventing dialogue, which shouldn't be surprising given who you are defending.

The story about the beating is ridiculous. Let's pretend for a moment that Lissa is real and an older man put his hands on her bare shoulders to get her to stop dancing. This scenario happens in the modern workplace where it is inappropriate to engage in casual touching. Here's why even if we accept that Lissa is real and that some dude touched her that this is so unlikely that I worry that Murray will soon have all of you under his conservatorship because you are gullible enough to believe this.
--Response has to be proportionate to the threat. Savagely beating a man into unconsciousness because he touched your shoulder as you disrupted the workplace with stimming is not a proportionate reaction. It is inappropriate for anyone to touch you while at work but it is not illegal nor is it life-threatening. You argue that Lissa's mental issues mean she can't process such incidents properly - ask the person to step away, go to human resources, etc. - and therefore her reactions are acceptable because "no one touches the faerie." It is intolerable that Lissa would be permitted to behave this way legally because it gives her a blank check to potentially kill anyone who brushes up against her, reaches out instinctively if they or she were tripping or falling, etc.

--Lissa could beat the shit out of any woman she wants to given this blank check. Aversion to her beating a man unconscious because someone misunderstood her dancing because she refuses to control her stimming in the workplace is not a feminist issue. I'd have the same level of disgust had the manager been female.

--Being autistic does not give Lissa the right to demand that she be able to physically harm people who upset her. Morally this is indefensible and you know it. That you are defending it is actually a sign to me that you know it is false because otherwise you'd be tacitly admitting that you are just fine with similar arrangements being made in other workplaces. Many autistic people hate direct eye contact. Won't it be neat if the next time you go to the breakroom at work a coworker beats you until your teeth break because you made eye contact. Hey, it's a valid thing, you know! People trigger warn for posting pictures wherein they are directly looking at the camera out of concern for people who have an autistic aversion to eye contact or being looked at. If Lissa can beat her co-worker for touching her shoulder, your coworker can beat you for making eye contact. Just be sure not to think you've signed away any legal rights when the paramedics unload you in the ER.

--No workplace is able legally to accommodate a single worker's disability by forcing every other employee to sign away their rights to legal and civil redress in the face of assault or battery. Period. End stop. Game over. Murray's fantasy cannot happen in real life. No corporation will take on that sort of liability by having someone with so little self control in the office and no legal department on the planet would for a moment suggest that employees should be asked to surrender their rights in order to let a single employee skip and hop and piss and shit and stim and occasionally code because that person is sooo brilliant. @Meowthkip has many of you pegged correctly - it appears you're buying into this fantasy because it enables you to fantasize about a world wherein you can more or less do whatever you want and people support even your worst behaviors.

--Even if Lissa's workplace in defiance of all known law and sanity asked their employees to sign away their legal rights to redress if Lissa goes faerie Hulk smash on them, that isn't a legally binding contract because it is illegal to ask people to sign away their rights. I guarantee you the moment that man woke up in the hospital he would have been receiving offers from civil attorneys to sue the everloving fuck out of the corporation that permitted onsite a person so unstable that touching her lands you in the hospital. Everyone at Corporation Inc. could have signed papers that indemnifies the company in the event that Lissa loses her shit, but they have no value when terrible things happen. A recent example of this in action occurred on a reality show where contestants were made to sign away their rights in the event of assault from other cast members - no specific cast member names but generic statement of those working for the show and the parent company. Two male cast members sexually assaulted a drunk and passed out female cast member with a toothbrush in front of other cast members and crew. She had signed all the paperwork before hand yet when she learned what had happened she was able to sue, indemnity paperwork be damned, and won.

--Corporations will ask people to sign such paperwork even though they know it has no legal enforcement because it deters lawsuits over trivial matters and such paperwork is never specific to a particular employee because that in and of itself is a legal admission from the corporation that they know they are bringing a dangerous person into the office, putting other people at risk. Making employees sign away their rights not to be assaulted by Lissa is openly admitting that she's so dangerous they need a legal out just by having her inside the building and leaves them open to more liability than they would have had in the first place.

I hate to be this blunt but grow the fuck up. Being autistic is hard. No one is arguing that. Sensory issues and social interactions are far more difficult for those with autism. I get that and I am very sympathetic. I think reasonable accommodation in the workplace is a moral good and should be encouraged. But such narratives as Lissa offers do no one any good because they reinforce the notion that people with autism cannot be expected to obey social norms or engage in civil good faith. Lissa's story paints people with autism as being pissing savages who will kill you if you touch them. Such stories, if believed, will create even more unpleasant hurdles for autistic people to clear in order to have access to basic life needs, like jobs. This entire story demeans people with autism and is borderline ableist in its own right because it asserts that people with autism cannot be expected to control themselves in any manner, be it stimming or violent overreaction to unwanted stimuli.

Jesus.
 
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