Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Susanna]

For a President who swears he's not Putin he sure is acting very much like Putin what with the cancelled elections jailing opposition or forcing them to flee ect ect

Putin hasn’t cancelled elections, and he only “jails opposition “ after they’re reasonably credibly convicted of serious crimes. What, is having a minor political career as opposition supposed to give you legal immunity?

 

[Kane Lives]

Putin hasn’t cancelled elections, and he only “jails opposition “ after they’re reasonably credibly convicted of serious crimes. What, is having a minor political career as opposition supposed to give you legal immunity?

Yes when he advocates for positions that conveniently matches globohomo. Rules-based international order doncha know?

 

[Susanna]

Yes when he advocates for positions that conveniently matches globohomo. Rules-based international order doncha know?

Right, so Navalny isn’t covered then.

 

[Rei is Shit.]

Zero 2 and Asuka? Russian weebs clearly have a type.

For good reason

Credit to High-fructoseCornSyrup for paying attention to that thread. Sorry If I grabbed screen cap before you and you wanted to do it​

I went there to see. Those guys are delusional man. They think Ukraine shot down 6 planes in 3 days. There are a couple people that act reasonable but a lot of the people there are utterly delusional. I thought they'd be a bit more reasonable tbqh.

Other Thread Coping and Seeding:

Spoiler: Coping and Sneeding

This guy has been coping a lot.
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Someone is getting defensive lol. I best they don't like being associated with the people that shell children.
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Someone makes a reasonable post about something that doesn't matter and is even from a Pro-Ukraine POV. Doesn't matter it violates the current narrative which doesn't really matter but we'll still believe it anyway. RATE THIS MAN AUTISTIC.
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>spergs about muh ukraine muh democracy muh nazis muh traitors
>has a STAR WARS avatar
Can't make this shit up.

I wonder if he knows anything about cheerleader Prescott Bush.

 

[geckogoy]

Hopefully the ukrainians start losing faster so we no longer need to tolerate discussion of shit anime

 

[There Is Light At The End]

I wonder if he knows anything about cheerleader Prescott Bush

Dunno about him or not, but someone there is a fan of Yeb

 

[blackjack101]

Putin supposedly made some visits to production places.






Also near the start of the operations they were pumping out Tornado MLRS systems in 3 work shifts to get produced so no idea how much of those they have produced. But I think Putins visits to those places might, "fingers crossed" that Putin will plan a big offensive again like the start of the war after his election because of the firepower and equipment they keep saving up like some planned big surprise party.

 

[Napoleon III]

Iran sends Russia hundreds of ballistic missiles Reuters​

https://archive.ph/88393

DUBAI, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.
Iran's provision of around 400 missiles includes many from the Fateh-110 family of short-range ballistic weapons, such as the Zolfaghar, three Iranian sources said. This road-mobile missile is capable of striking targets at a distance of between 300 and 700 km (186 and 435 miles), experts say.

Iran's defence ministry and the Revolutionary Guards - an elite force that oversees Iran's ballistic missile programme - declined to comment. Russia's defence ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The shipments began in early January after a deal was finalised in meetings late last year between Iranian and Russian military and security officials that took place in Tehran and Moscow, one of the Iranian sources said.

An Iranian military official - who, like the other sources, asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the information - said there had been at least four shipments of missiles and there would be more in the coming weeks. He declined to provide further details.
Another senior Iranian official said some of the missiles were sent to Russia by ship via the Caspian Sea, while others were transported by plane.

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This is interesting. I didn't know why Russia would want these but I thought about it for a minute and it made sense. Russia wants more quick deep strike capability. It seems like Russia has enough Kinzhals, Kalibers and Long range drones. Russia has its own domestic Ballistic Missile capability in the form of the Iskandar. But Russia probably doesn't have as many of these as it would like. This extra capability would allow Russia to get quick strike capability. Drones are slower than missiles take time and Kinzhals require a launch from a supersonic aircraft meaning it takes a long lead time to launch them. Ballistic Missiles are quick to fire. Iran also gets a real world test of this Missile system.


Battlefield report

Looks like Ukraine's counter-attack near Robotyne succeeded. Unfortunate but it happens. As Strix said this is a hard operation to pull off. Though it is interesting, I think this is the first successful defensive counter-attack Ukraine has had in a while. I think it was only successful because Ukraine committed a decent amount of vehicles.


Pobjeda saw a small village to the north of it be captured.

Half of Lastochkyne has been captured.

Supposedly South Vietnam lost when we stopped paying their soldiers paychecks.
In the case of Ukraine I'm guessing if we stopped paying for those blocking formations to keep the conscripts on the front line then they would be in trouble.
Or if their commander didn't get his cut.

This is true and I think soldiers not being paid would be quite bad for Ukraine. But even losing the ability to buy things like medical supplies or food would destroy Ukraine Hypothetically. Armies have been tardy in terms of paying soldiers and not collapsed but you need the essentials. Soldiers are pretty good at dealing with hard situations, but they can't escape the fact they need to eat. But this is a hypothetical I think the EU will do anything to keep the bare essentials for Ukraine. I doubt this situation will ever come up.

You can only estimate it and the estimate becomes more accurate the greater the sample size is relative to the population. E.g. if you test one missile out of fifty and it's a dud, I'm not sure you can say much about the total number of missiles that are. If you tested half of the missiles at random (25) and half of those (12) were duds then you could reasonably say that there were were 25 duds in total because you'd have established that half of the sample were duds so half the population likely is.

It is about the concept of statistical power. Statistical power tells you how certain you are for a test. You are right about the fact 2 is not enough of a sample to tell for sure. My opinion is that any time you have less than 30 tests you can't really be sure about how many. 30 is not an arbitrary value and it comes from the Central Limit Theorem. Two fucking up is enough to say there is a massive problem because of how reliable they are supposed to be but that is not a statistical evaluation. It also depends on how sure you want to be if you want 99% sure you would need more samples.

I am of the opinion that Statistics doesn't really tell you much unless you have 30 samples. Some people disagree and do all kinds of fancy tricks to try and make it work but I think they are basically wrong. Such small sample sizes do tell you something but it is similar to viewing a picture in really low resolution. Such a small sample size means you are not quantitative.

 

[ZMOT]

For good reason
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>spergs about muh ukraine muh democracy muh nazis muh traitors
>has a STAR WARS avatar
Can't make this shit up.

I wonder if he knows anything about cheerleader Prescott Bush.

man I remember his absolute spergout 2 years ago when this whole thing started back in an a&n thread.
just like covid the whole thing has been eye-opening how retarded some people can get.

It's awfully quiet around this whole incident tho'.

check the perpetrator, then it's simple. can't have anyone noticing or "fuel alt-right rhetoric" or something.

 

[Kane Lives]

Looks like Ukraine's counter-attack near Robotyne succeeded. Unfortunate but it happens. As Strix said this is a hard operation to pull off. Though it is interesting, I think this is the first successful defensive counter-attack Ukraine has had in a while. I think it was only successful because Ukraine committed a decent amount of vehicles.

Also note the current Russian doctrine of giving up land in exchange for economy of casualties. They aren't in the business of standing fast and fighting to the death if an enemy has committed.

 

[Strix454]

Looks like Ukraine's counter-attack near Robotyne succeeded. Unfortunate but it happens. As Strix said this is a hard operation to pull off. Though it is interesting, I think this is the first successful defensive counter-attack Ukraine has had in a while. I think it was only successful because Ukraine committed a decent amount of vehicles.

What happened isn't that unusual in the conflict. The Russians attempted a landing. They couldn't get established in the village. They pulled back. But the operation gained all kinds of information about where the Ukrainians and the Ukrainian defenses are in the village. The Russians then switch over to battering the Ukrainian positions in the town again which will eventually be followed by the next landing attempt.

The Ukrainians were also only successful because they diverted resources and material from elsewhere into Robotyne to accomplish this. The front has become a zero-sum game for Ukraine. Anywhere they strengthen weakens other areas now or destroys the reserves that they are trying to build to support unit rotation.

If they had any sense, Ukraine would have pulled back from the Robotyne position a long time ago. Its an exposed position in low ground with a supply road too close to the Russians. It takes disproportionate strength and disproportionate losses to hold.

 

[kuuu]

Putin supposedly made some visits to production places.
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Also near the start of the operations they were pumping out Tornado MLRS systems in 3 work shifts to get produced so no idea how much of those they have produced. But I think Putins visits to those places might, "fingers crossed" that Putin will plan a big offensive again like the start of the war after his election because of the firepower and equipment they keep saving up like some planned big surprise party.

What westoid media sees instead:

 

[Napoleon III]

I make a long post with everything I can find and then something somewhat big happens right after.


Ukrainians retreated from Kleshcheevka. This is another hole that just happened. It is interesting that a lot of these holes are around Bakhmut. This may be because this the place Russians search for holes the most. This may also be the location Ukraine takes a lot of troops from to deploy elsewhere. This is also the first hole since Avdeevka. One could imagine while Russia as conducting a large scale operation Ukraine has some issues, but Ukraine is having issues even when Russia isn't doing that much. Robotyne is a smaller thing than Avdeevka.

The Ukrainians were also only successful because they diverted resources and material from elsewhere into Robotyne to accomplish this. The front has become a zero-sum game for Ukraine. Anywhere they strengthen weakens other areas now or destroys the reserves that they are trying to build to support unit rotation.

If they had any sense, Ukraine would have pulled back from the Robotyne position a long time ago. Its an exposed position in low ground with a supply road too close to the Russians. It takes disproportionate strength and disproportionate losses to hold.

I concur. The question I have is would a successful initial attack into Robotyne convinced the Ukrainians to send more reserves there or would Russia failing send more reserves or does it even matter. My opinion is that Ukraine has limited resources and would like to send resources to places they feel they have a good chance of winning. But I can see the argument of Ukraine feels they are winning there so they don't think new reserves are needed. I can also see the argument of Ukraine losing in the initial attack would have caused them to panic and send a lot of reserves there to try and save it.

It all depends on how the Ukrainian General staff reacts to an event. I don't know how the new one reacts to things like this. I think the old Ukrainian General staff would send more if Ukraine loss the initial attack and wouldn't send any extra if they won the initial attack.

Putin supposedly made some visits to production places.

I wonder if he made visits for administrative or photo op reasons. The best way to solve problems is to be present where the problems are. I could absolutely see Putin visiting these places to ask people what issues do you have?, how can I help you?, and how are things going? I think Putin doesn't pay that much attention to the front lines but instead pays attention to production figures.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Zero 2 and Asuka? Russian weebs clearly have a type.

Maidcore(a bunch of pretty good electronic and metal projects) is all done by Russians too. Russia has to be the hidden weeb capital of Europe.

 

[Kane Lives]

Maidcore(a bunch of pretty good electronic and metal projects) is all done by Russians too. Russia has to be the hidden weeb capital of Europe.

Is Maidcore just 2hu or even more autistic, lol.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Zero 2 and Asuka? Russian weebs clearly have a type.

Russians love Zero 2 for some reason. There are some Russian ex-pats in my neighborhood (used to have a Russian flag up in their yard before they quietly took it down after the start of the conflict), and their son has a tuned out G35X with a plastidip paint job and a bunch of Zero 2 vinyls on the windows, lol.

 

[The Bovinian Derivative]

Is Maidcore just 2hu or even more autistic, lol.

From what I know they just produce music and slap a maid on the cover and name their project "[something] the maid" referencing an existing maid character.

 

[There Is Light At The End]

Iran has provided Russia with a large number of powerful surface-to-surface ballistic missiles, six sources told Reuters, deepening the military cooperation between the two U.S.-sanctioned countries.

Commence seething of usual suspects between "lol, orks can't do rockets" to "it's unfair. Only ikriiini can receive military shipments. It's a rule based order, gauyz"

 

[blackjack101]

-the tradeoff of more Russians dying than Ukrainians makes no sense because of a NAFO warfare doctrine is better than Soviet doctrine when the Ukrainians somehow constantly get themselves encircled and I think in warfare tactics 101 the side that gets encircled is the one with the higher casualties but the other thread on KW will tell you otherwise.

-Since Ukraine admitted that their last major offensive to get to Crimea was planned by NATO than I don't see how NATO warfare doctrine is better if they got nowhere for the 1st 90 days which pissed off the Ukrainians badly which makes it seem that the manpower and equipment had to be plenty to get to Crimea than having it all go wasted with the Russians back on the offensive again(making spending for Ukraine more pointless than it is already). and they have not announced any major offensives yet to get to Kiev.

-400,000 Russians dying over their claim of 40,000 makes no sense either because some visible protests would have been captured on social media and those kinds of losses would make white vans roam russia than ukraine to find bodies than Russians lining up to the mobilization center.

-Will to fight is another important factor and the reason why there are so many russian and georgian mercenaries is because they had some beef with Russia historically. Most western volunteers that lived a happy more sheltered life than the east side have immediately left I dont think any foreigner wants to fight for ukraine as much as the Ukrainians themselves. Russians have been taught in history that the world is out to get them and the meaning of sacrifice throughout their history. They also see Ukraine as part of their historic territory.

-Zaluzhnyi stated he would have preferred T-64s over sophisticated shit like Leopard 2s, their latest game changers are fucking glide bombs launched in high altitudes for easy interceptions. I don't even think F-35s would help with constant issues like self-ejecting a pilot and higher risk against russian krasukha and Murmansk-bm jammers in the battlefield. Meanwhile the Russians complained about the T-14 engines which the company stopped the production for the T-14 to resolve those issues and put them back in the operation zone. Different sniper rifle companies working on better optics and accuracy for the Russians, more jammer equipment for troops to deal with drones, etc. Also the Zircon is a more sophisticated missile for being a scramjet over a BM like Trident that failed to launch.

If we are going on a hypothetical NATO army against a Russian army I don't think they would do much better than the Ukrainians who just have more of a reason to fight the war than them because they will still be backed by incompetent military planning and companies backing them

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

This guy has been coping a lot.

Lol, that guy loves having autistic meltdowns in threads, gets absolutely dunked by everyone and then leaves pretending he just totally destroyed everyone and will now be the "bigger man"

Putin supposedly made some visits to production places.

But....but.... but.... Xitter told me that ruskies lost the knowledge to make tanks this is fake right right? /sneed