Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Ironically, the country likely to be the least damaged by a nuclear war is Russia.

Not talking about their subways or massive Cold War underground bunker facilities, but about the fact that it’s so goddamn huge that there’ll be plenty of places far from ground zero.

Plus I reckon that the chances of the Idaho missile silos being manned by some blue haired tranny who’ll have a mental breakdown when the order to turn the key comes, are at least 50%.

The Russian people, maybe - The Russian state and oligarchs would be just as fucked as the US in a nuclear exchange.

Anyone else notice how ever since Ukraine started going south, there's been a sudden rise in "people" saying that nuclear war is a perfectly normal, survivable and winnable affair?

Survivable is true and been saying it for years, but winnable is the part that has me looking at the normies in fucking disgust. There is no "Winning" a nuclear exchange, its like a knife fight between drunks. One of you dies on the scene, the other bleeds out on the way to the hospital. As mentioned above, the people as a general concept can survive, but governments and any sort of interconnected economy dies on the vine in nuclear strike scenarios. Something wearing the skin of the old government might rise up, but government centers are primary targets in any such exchange. The vast majority of officials 'running' things from top to bottom would be ash in any such exchange.

Personally, cremating the deep state in nuclear fire is a fitting action in my books, but to pretend that anything continues as it did before is foolhardy. Either the nuclear boogeyman gets revealed in a limited trade of nuclear weapons and some sort of unofficial tit for tat exchange expectation becomes the normal, permanently putting nuclear strikes on the table going forward, or it immediately kicks off a major exchange and the state dies.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

My favorite Russian bushcraft channel put out another video today about annual Russian firearms/military training in schools there. He's originally Danish but married a Russian and moved there. Apparently there are propaganda rumors the Russians are mobilizing children like Ukraine is so they're clearing that up? I remember an old video on the Ushanka Show channel where he described the same annual classes when he was growing up in USSR Ukraine decades ago.

That's really a follow-up from his last video here featuring his wife describing her experience getting firearms licenses in Russia that got a lot of views. Russia's civilian gun laws are interesting:

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Ironically, the country likely to be the least damaged by a nuclear war is Russia.

ironically actually I think the US would be better off

Hear me out, if the idea is to nuke the cities russia loses a lot by losing their cities since they're main hubs and unlike american cities the people there are at least somewhat vested in not destroying the state

If US cities are nuked? Bye bye democrats and much of our "diversity" and a lot of degenerate bughive people.

 

[Gondola Enjoyer]

My favorite Russian bushcraft channel put out another video today about annual Russian firearms/military training in schools there. He's originally Danish but married a Russian and moved there. Apparently there are propaganda rumors the Russians are mobilizing children like Ukraine is so they're clearing that up? I remember an old video on the Ushanka Show channel where he described the same annual classes when he was growing up in USSR Ukraine decades ago.

Most comblock countries 30 years ago used to have "national defence" or something similarly named as a school subject where they taught kids mostly how to do generic military shit and handle AKs. Guess the Russians just kept it around, but only around Defender Of The Fatherland day. I mean generally, which country doesn't let kids fuck around with military equipment around their national equivalent of the "Armed Forces Day"?

 

[WhiskeyJack]

ironically actually I think the US would be better off

Hear me out, if the idea is to nuke the cities russia loses a lot by losing their cities since they're main hubs and unlike american cities the people there are at least somewhat vested in not destroying the state

If US cities are nuked? Bye bye democrats and much of our "diversity" and a lot of degenerate bughive people.

Reminds me of John Ringo's "Troy Rising" books, where aliens bombard American cities to subjugate the population, only to find after the fact that they effectively wiped out the population most likely to go along with their agenda, and the new conservative, rural-based government rapidly militarizes and starts building giant death stars to obliterate their fleet.

 

[Not Really Here]

and the new conservative

Jeffersonian, specifically.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

Reminds me of John Ringo's "Troy Rising" books, where aliens bombard American cities to subjugate the population, only to find after the fact that they effectively wiped out the population most likely to go along with their agenda, and the new conservative, rural-based government rapidly militarizes and starts building giant death stars to obliterate their fleet.

ohhh that reminds me of one book I REALLY liked Out of the Dark by David Weber. Gonna scifi-sperg here a bit cause I actually highly recommend reading this book if you like scifi.

Spoiler: I don't spoil any specific spoilers for the book but the details about some of the core concepts and opening moves of the in-book war do give away the general idea of what happens just FYI. Personally don't think if you read the book this will ruin it for you but putting the tag to be safe.

Spoiler: Spoiled for book details

Aliens start off their invasion bombing every major population center because they are wolf aliens and have the "pack mentality" where you just submit to the strongest/alpha. They expected this initial bombing would make all of humanity surrender. Unfortunately humans don't work like that since we are more family oriented and what remained just start doing insurgency instead, infact if I recall the aliens once they move to the ground phase of the invasion have the hardest time in the middle east. Fighting on the ground devolves and goes bad for the aliens cause they've never before hit a planet that had any of that mindset of fighting. Also aliens are like a decade to 50 years behind on in various ground and air technology so their only cards they can play are constant orbital bombardment.

Oh and to the original point that sparked this: because the aliens bombed all the major pop areas they effectively removed anyone who could negotiate or control things to even get humans to surrender cause every leader who remains at the local levels just does their own thing now which contributed heavily to aliens losses.

Won't say anymore cause there's a lot more to it that I don't want to spoil . Very great and thunk provoking book.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

ironically actually I think the US would be better off

Hear me out, if the idea is to nuke the cities russia loses a lot by losing their cities since they're main hubs and unlike american cities the people there are at least somewhat vested in not destroying the state

If US cities are nuked? Bye bye democrats and much of our "diversity" and a lot of degenerate bughive people.

US ports are in the first wave of targets. Being dependent on imports for almost everything would screw most of the country.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The Bongistani Times openly admits the fact that the British General Staff, led by Admiral Tony Radakin, directly participated in the attack on the Black Sea Fleet ships.

Plus I reckon that the chances of the Idaho missile silos being manned by some blue haired tranny who’ll have a mental breakdown when the order to turn the key comes, are at least 50

Troy is on it. sir. What? Oh, I thought you mean the schwanz. sorry sir.

Latest hohol shootdowns of Russian aircraft:

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Nukes would kill the West, that's why idgaf. Russia knows where modern day Greenbrier bunkers are. Take out the rot Russia, I'll take one for the team.

FUCK IT, ONE STRUGGLE

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Ironically, the country likely to be the least damaged by a nuclear war is Russia.

Not talking about their subways or massive Cold War underground bunker facilities, but about the fact that it’s so goddamn huge that there’ll be plenty of places far from ground zero.

Plus I reckon that the chances of the Idaho missile silos being manned by some blue haired tranny who’ll have a mental breakdown when the order to turn the key comes, are at least 50%.

And you can become a hero with updoots for refusing to follow orders and not launch the nuke.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Russia's civilian gun laws are interesting:

They're really not. Retarded requirement to own a smoothbore for 5 years before you can buy a rifle, which is where stuff like .366 TKM comes from - people not wanting to wait 5 years before they can shoot rifle-like ammo.

 

[Fapcop]

ironically actually I think the US would be better off

Hear me out, if the idea is to nuke the cities russia loses a lot by losing their cities since they're main hubs and unlike american cities the people there are at least somewhat vested in not destroying the state

If US cities are nuked? Bye bye democrats and much of our "diversity" and a lot of degenerate bughive people.

My guy… You know what’s on top of the target list, with big cities being a close second?

That’s right… Military installations, bases, camps, missile silos, etc. And of course military production facilities.

Where are those for the most part located?

That’s right… Red and flyover states.

While I can only sympathize and agree with your desire to see Chicago turn into a glass parking lot, along with all the shitlib coastal metropolises, a nuclear exchange wont end as well as you might hope.

 

[jeff7989]

At the start of the war libs of America started advancing the idea that nuclear wars are somehow winnable. Whether the sentiment came from the Pentagon or State Dept. originally who knows but sure enough Reddit and Celebrity Twitter ran with it. "Not a single one of Russia's 6000 Chad nukes works anymore". Sure.

2 years later they are screeching now about Putin having 'space nukes'.

Nuking ourselves GOOD.
Nuclear Power Plants BAD.

Fucking retards.

 

[Anasûrimbor Kellhus]

My guy… You know what’s on top of the target list, with big cities being a close second?

That’s right… Military installations, bases, camps, missile silos, etc. And of course military production facilities.

Where are those for the most part located?

That’s right… Red and flyover states.

While I can only sympathize and agree with your desire to see Chicago turn into a glass parking lot, along with all the shitlib coastal metropolises, a nuclear exchange wont end as well as you might hope.

to be fair I'd prefer no nuclear exchange this was just my theory on how it'd go if it did happen which I hope to God it doesn't. I would prefer this war just ends with a negotiated settlement and trying to end this madness with the russian derangement syndrome to end people being killed and try to move forward.

I have no desire to see some shitholes I can easily avoid in the states go out at the cost of Moscow or St Petersburg and the millions that would die.

my only counter to your extension of it is that in this hypothetical scenario due to population density there'd still be more red leftover state left than shitlib areas.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

And you can become a hero with updoots for refusing to follow orders and not launch the nuke.

That’s not the correct procedure.

For those who are curious, here’s a demonstration of the correct procedure, or at least what it was a while back and knowing the US I’ll bet it’s still pretty close.

https://youtu.be/FVZmFISzqwY?si=QElfcDujhohVJ4f4

 

[Pampered Degenerate]

The Bongistani Times openly admits the fact that the British General Staff, led by Admiral Tony Radakin, directly participated in the attack on the Black Sea Fleet ships.

Funny that this shit's all coming out now. It's almost as if they're trying to goad Russia into escalation, somehow, or set up some sort of gayop to justify (official) NATO involvement. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

 

[Rubick]

All Russian tanks from the T-54B onwards could fire reasonably well on the move as they all had dual plane stabilized main guns. Most NATO tanks had unstablized main guns until the mid 1970s....

The T-72A had a primitive FCS to be sure but it still has one, as did the T-80B.

The T-72B3 and newer and the T-80BVM have similar FCS to the Abrams.

Compared to T-64 models at the time yeah it was. But the T-72B's had a superior FCS to T-64B's. Hell it was flat out a better tank at that point. And both tanks being better then T-80 variants at that point funny enough.

Amorphous metal is one, along with newer steel and tungsten alloys and better ceramics

Newer steel is a given. Armata uses new gen of steel IIRC. Ceramics also is no surprise.. But tungsten I have my doubts if anyone would use it now. (Americans used it for export Abrams IIRC) it's slightly less potent then DU depending on what grade of tungsten. But no matter what grade it's very goddamn costly by a huge margin.

Soviets for armor looked at and made Object 187 with DU and or tungsten. However it isn't known what the third prototype's armor consisted off. Which would have been template for serial production. Though from everything i've read it didn't seem tungsten was chosen. (Don't think the third prototype was DU either)

 

[Midwit]

The reality is no European country can just "start a new factory" in this age.

Most of them can definitely start new factories, the issue is keeping it and making it profitable which is a tall order given the cost of operating in western europe. That and the fact that the money spent building factories could potentially go to our NHS instead, and there is nothing that cannot be sacrificed on the alter of our NHS.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

a nuclear exchange

NYC is definitely on the list

This bitch for sure
33 Thomas Street

 

[Betonhaus]

Hear me out, if the idea is to nuke the cities russia loses a lot by losing their cities since they're main hubs and unlike american cities the people there are at least somewhat vested in not destroying the state

How much of a missile defense system does Russia openly have? Could they be confident enough that they could shoot down all nukes hearing towards Moscow?