Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[WelperHelper99]

They'd be shrieking at Based Uncle Clarence for defending an "extremist forum", more so than they already do.

Oh no. Anything but that. I don't think he cares after ripping Row V Wade to pieces

 

[MavisBeaconTeachesSnipin]

Could the Supreme Court remand this back down to the Appellate Court and tell them, "Fix this, retards"?

who knows. it seems like there aren't any actual rules for anything with this case.

 

[Null]

if you walk into the supreme court you will get pro bono representation. it's a funny thought but it's not even close to reality.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I'm going to put Hardin and his friend up for it if it comes to that. If they fuck it up and make fair use a death penalty, blame the EFF, I asked them for help first.

Even if he goes down in flames, he will have made his bones. Will be able to say he fully briefed and argued a Supreme Court case. Considering he stuck his neck out for you even during drop kiwi farms, bro deserves the honor of carrying the flag if he wants it IMO.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

3. Whether the posting of a link to copyrighted material saved at a third-party storage provider is the same as posting the infringing material itself.

Crazy how the www is, what, 33 years old now? and that question isn't completely set in stone legally. How was this not established completely unambiguously by like 1992?

ACLU and FIRE both ignored. I've emailed EFF a few incredibly bitter messages

I guess you've probably scraped the bottom of the barrel looking around different orgs already, but have you tried reaching out to the public knowledge foundation?

Public Knowledge promotes freedom of expression, an open internet, and access to affordable communications tools and creative works. We work to shape policy on behalf of the public interest.

https://publicknowledge.org/issue/copyright-reform/

Copyright law has grown into a clunky, convoluted system that prevents people without legal training from understanding what they can and can’t create or share. This gives corporate rightsholders the power to slap online creators with takedown notices courtesy of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act

This case sounds right up their street. FYI Brewster Kahle (Internet Archive guy) is on their board of directors but it might still be worth a shot?

 

[Twinkletard]

God speed, you magnificient bastard

 

[Your Starter for 10]

At least auction off the choice of which tie you wear.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

I was wondering what he was talking about on Sean's podcast.

SCOTUS is not Woke America. That said they'll probably not grant it. It just doesn't happen. Often.

The very possibility of a Supreme Court case involving the Farms is hilarious though.

And it would not be unique for an utterly reviled entity to be in a SCOTUS case. Anderson v. Liberty Lobby anyone? (That was cited by Randazza in the oral arguments in Rekieta's appellate case yesterday.)

I really want it to happen, I want to see Sotomayor make of an ass of herself and call Null a pizza eating racist or something.

 

[Ebony Odogaron]

Josh has petitioned SCOTUS for a writ of certiorari over the appellate decision.

Spoiler: Full petition as .JPG

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Oooooo this is a bold and ambitious move. I honestly hope this doesn't backfire on you nor the Internet at large, Josh. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, but I don't think anyone expected this large of a move.

 

[obsdj]

By" and Kiwi Farms, a website" does he mean Lolcow LLC, or us, the users of the site? I'm actually curious because of the wording.

It does not appear that Lolcow LLC is a party to the proceedings at all.

 

[Null]

FYI Brewster Kahle (Internet Archive guy)

is he the guy related to Taylor Lorenz that censored the archive for her and got us blacklisted?

It does not appear that Lolcow LLC is a party to the proceedings at all.

Lolcow LLC is d/b/a Kiwi Farms in WV, however Russell Greer was too stupid to name the company. I reiterate, read the filings, this is a pending question we're waiting Greer to answer. If you're going to try and claim I'm lying about what's being filed, read what was actually filed prior in District.

 

[WelperHelper99]

is he the guy related to Taylor Lorenz that censored the archive for her and got us blacklisted?


Lolcow LLC is d/b/a Kiwi Farms in WV, however Russell Greer was too stupid to name the company. I reiterate, read the filings, this is a pending question we're waiting Greer to answer. If you're going to try and claim I'm lying about what's being filed, read what was actually filed prior in District.

I mean if we are to take this literally, he is suing Kiwi Farms, which is a site on a server rack. He is suing fucking hardware.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Could the Supreme Court remand this back down to the Appellate Court and tell them, "Fix this, retards"?

According to the petition that’s what they’re asking for OR hear it in full court in front of the Supremes.

IF it gets accepted the most likely result is a “what the fuck” to the 10th and instruction that if they want to reopen it to not invent new shit.

But in that case you might as well face the wormy ball; so it might come down to if Roberts wants to solidify free speech…

 

[Hepativore]

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Either that, or a noose as a necktie...

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Sure, 99% of SCOTUS appeals get rejected, but how many of those are meritless appeals by death row inmates?

https://capitalpunishmentincontext.org/resources/dpappealsprocess#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20Supreme%20Court%20is,defendant%20has%20exhausted%20his%20appeals.

 

[Hrothgar]

I'd be cool with using a bit of the fund to buy a True & Honest fan sign for Hardin to keep on his desk.

 

[Weebburner]

Truly clown world when the erosion of freedom of speech/fair use would come down to fucking russel greer vs the kiwifarm.

 

[mindlessobserver]

But in that case you might as well face the wormy ball; so it might come down to if Roberts wants to solidify free speech…

They also may want to revisit the Napster decision considering the tenth circuit taking that and massively broadening the nature of copyright liability to implicating a URL. That is a huge problem for everyone. Be they Google or an Autistic little gossip forum.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

is he the guy related to Taylor Lorenz that censored the archive for her and got us blacklisted?

He's the founder of the IA, I can't remember whether it's known if he personally authorised the blacklisting, but he's since disputed that he's related to Lorenz https://archive.is/HdIhB

Taylor Lorenz is not my niece, nor have I met her.

He's only one board member though, so it might not make much difference unless he actually did have a huge personal grudge against KF.

 

[Pignat]

I know that Greer isn't really why this is being filed and it's more about the circuit court screwing up precedence, but I wonder if getting BTFO'd by the Supreme Court would be enough to get Greer to stop being a vexatious litigant?
I know he would just double down on his victim complex, but maybe every judge in the country will recognize him by name and blacklist him just like how he was blacklisted by every hooker in Nevada.