Law Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu - Emulator tools aren't inherently illegal, but the way in which Yuzu is being actively used and promoted is what Nintendo appears to be objecting to here.

New documents filed Monday, February 26 reveal that videogame giant Nintendo is taking action against the creators of the popular emulator tool Yuzu.

The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

Nintendo alleges that Tropic Haze's free Yuzu emulator tool unlawfully allows pirated Switch games to be played on PCs and other devices, bypassing Nintendo's protection measures.

The official Yuzu website suggests that the tool is to be used with software you yourself own: "You are legally required to dump your games from your Nintendo Switch" — but it's common knowledge, that this is not how these tools are primarily used.

The legal document claims that over a million copies of last year's The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom were downloaded prior to the game's official retail release.

Additionally, Nintendo's filing points to the success of Yuzu's Patreon page, highlighting how the project is actively supported by over 7,000 members. At time of writing, the Yuzu Patreon currently brings in close to $30,000 USD per month. Nintendo's filing alludes that this Patreon page has been actively engaged in promoting the emulator, and thus by extension piracy.

Emulator tools aren't inherently illegal, but the way in which Yuzu is being actively used and promoted is what Nintendo appears to be objecting to here.

As a result, Nintendo is now seeking a trial by jury, damages, and is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down.

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[Wendell X]

There’s so many old hardware out there it’s easy to get hold of.

The question honestly now is whether Switch 2 will be harder to break.

No logical through line to your arguments, no consistent thought put into it, you just don't like piracy and blurt out anything that could possibly apply. No wonder you are a progressive.

 

[Bowiotronic]

I wanna say that it's good that Yuzu avoided taking this to court where Nintendo could set legal precedent, but I worry that this will only embolden the Big N-Word.

You do know what a VM is, right?

Why would you run a fucking virtual machine on a fucking nintendo switch emulator, because you can? that's the perfect defense for all emulation in the world? that you can run a virtual machine? again, for what fucking purpose? does the purpose being self contained exonerate all emulation because emulation is legal in the US?

Sounds like the retardest defense against a jury "Durrrr, y'see your honour, I simply use Y-U-Z-U as a mere VIRTUAL MASHEEN for only my personal purposes (fucking bullshit or criminal offense, like the ones I cited earlier) for my artistic purposes", just because companies can do whatever the fuck they want (since they have millions to back it up on court) doesn't make you liable to shit, again, that right to emulation is if you have paid for the original software and hardware, to do dumb shit like dumping your ROMS because you set fire to the house or some duuuumb shit like that.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

love the Yuzu Reddit cope

https://www.reddit.com/r/yuzu/

https://www.patreon.com/yuzuteam

The cope has been wonderful.

but I worry that this will only embolden the Big N-Word.

If Nintendo wants you gone they get you gone. So the question is why haven’t they gone after all the others they know of. It’s simple. They likely play nice and are sensible.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the time the cases serve the purpose of protectung themselves because they have to and aquiring the tech and talent if not working under the table with them.

 

[TyrasGuard]

It should not be held hostage on some Chinese tablet.

The people who made the videogame agreed to have it on the Chinese tablet. Whether or not this is a good decision is another thing but they never asked for the imput of the consumers.

However, I am not buying a console for that. I want to play it on my PC. If Nintendo does not want me to do that, they are not getting my money. This is a very small favour to ask of a multi-billion dollar company. It's not rocket science.

You could make the same argument about ANY product that comes from a corporation and you'd sound like a nigger for trying to have it without paying it but when it comes to videogames it seems to be different somehow.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

No logical through line to your arguments, no consistent thought put into it, you just don't like piracy and blurt out anything that could possibly apply. No wonder you are a progressive.

I don’t give a fuck about piracy.

Pirste whatever you want. Just don’t get caught. And a lot of the times people put more effort into pirating than it’s actually worth. I don’t see the point if there is an easy work around especially when the other option is risky.

 

[Go Lift Some Bitches]

emulator faggots either are breaking the law by providing pirated copies or are speshul chromoflakes that can't afford shit

I own copies of the games. I want to play Atelier Annie, I own the game, thus I play it on my phone. Certain older games I have no way of obtaining as they are no longer produced, so I will get them. If I want to play a game with family I will get that game.
Beyond that, when a game is not available I will find a way to get it. I wanted to play MISTOVER and was going to buy it but it got taken off steam despite me having the demo and planning to buy it. It gets removed due to a license expiring so I pirate it. I get to enjoy the game now and support the developer in future endeavors as they have made quality products

especially when there's millions of F2P products and entertainment

I play and use F2P products. My most played game is TF2, CS:GO, then Rimworld which I bought legally as the developer provides quality product and its more convenient to own on steam to mod than a pirated version.

doesn't make you a hero, you are still the same Nintendo faggot, because you will promote their product to dumber, younger generations, who will, in turn, buy the product

Who calls themselves a hero pirating a fucking game, you're literally retarded. If I want to play a game from an old nintendo console with family then I'm going to fucking do it.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Still not buying a switch. Still not playing switch games.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Legal in the retarded MIG switch way, in which you dump the ROMS into the cartridge, but you still are the owner of the cartridges and the hardware, and have paid dearly to shitendo for them, go with a pirated switch to a local precinct and tell them that, see what they have to say.
Believe me, no one wants that, people want the full dump on their pirated console.

And therein lies the rub, really.

Was it legal for Yuzu to do what they did? Obviously Nintendo had SOME kind of dirt on them or this wouldn't have gone as quick as it did. (I'm hearing on reddit, god forgive me, that Yuzu was advertising their early patreon releases with "this will let you play [upcoming leaked and cracked game]," which is basically game over for any defense that they might have had.) But ostensibly yes, emulation is legal.

However. No one uses emulators for legal means, NO ONE, and anyone saying differently is a liar.

Having said all that, I am absolutely buying a Mig switch and dumper so I can format shift some of my stupidly huge Switch Physical library into an SD card and leave the physicals safely stored in the vault.

 

[Day of the Cope]

Why would you run a fucking virtual machine on a fucking nintendo switch emulator, because you can?

You're just being deliberately obtuse, at this point.

If Nintendo wants you gone they get you gone. So the question is why haven’t they gone after all the others they know of. It’s simply. They likely play nice and are sensible.

Nah, they're worried that people will be able to start emulating their soon-to-be-released system.

However. No one uses emulators for legal means, NO ONE, and anyone saying differently is a liar.

First off, homebrew does exist. Second off, some people might actually want to play the games they do legally own but they want to be able to play them in a way that doesn't look like shit. Some people, like me, would rather play PM:TTYD with textures that don't look like they were put through a wheat thresher.

 

[Bowiotronic]

I own copies of the games. I want to play Atelier Annie, I own the game, thus I play it on my phone. Certain older games I have no way of obtaining as they are no longer produced, so I will get them. If I want to play a game with family I will get that game.
Beyond that, when a game is not available I will find a way to get it. I wanted to play MISTOVER and was going to buy it but it got taken off steam despite me having the demo and planning to buy it. It gets removed due to a license expiring so I pirate it. I get to enjoy the game now and support the developer in future endeavors as they have made quality products

I play and use F2P products. My most played game is TF2, CS:GO, then Rimworld which I bought legally as the developer provides quality product and its more convenient to own on steam to mod than a pirated version.

Who calls themselves a hero pirating a fucking game, you're literally retarded. If I want to play a game from an old nintendo console with family then I'm going to fucking do it.

"Who calls themselves a hero pirating a fucking game, you're literally retarded. If I want to play a game from an old nintendo console with family then I'm going to fucking do it."
The fucking retards hollering "Foop Nintendo" and copeposting, those are the faggots who think themselves as robin hoods, because they cannot be bothered to correctly read text, just misinterpret the law.
YOU DON'T OWN SHIT, AS PROVEN BY UBISOFT, THEY CAN TAKE AWAY THE PRODUCT WHENEVER THEY WANT, YOU JUST GOT A RIDE ON THE LOLI ATELIER TRAIN, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SET UP YOUR OWN SERVER AND DISTRIBUTE THE COPIES
I play and use F2P products. My most played game is TF2, CS:GO, then Rimworld which I bought legally as the developer provides quality product and its more convenient to own on steam to mod than a pirated version. < I like this one very much, other F2P products, not nintendo based, good, perfect.

 

[ShooterOfCum]

but when it comes to videogames it seems to be different somehow.

Software is dramatically different from all other kinds of products, yes. DOOM is a game that is free (as in freedom) software. It's still popular 30 years later, and it's only because it's free software. id Software / Bethesda / Zenimax still get money from it because the art assets are copyrighted and need to be paid for.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Still not buying a switch. Still not playing switch games.

Finally, someone smart.

 

[Bowiotronic]

You're just being deliberately obtuse, at this point.

Nah, they're worried that people will be able to start emulating their soon-to-be-released system.

First off, homebrew does exist. Second off, some people might actually want to play the games they do legally own but they want to be able to play them in a way that doesn't look like shit. Some people, like me, would rather play PM:TTYD with textures that don't look like they were put through a wheat thresher.

"You're just being deliberately obtuse, at this point."

I'm not being obtuse, I'm being realistic, who the fuck does homebrew on 2024, it died on Dreamcast and Wii times, mainly because of the monkey torture wii channel and shit like that

"First off, homebrew does exist. Second off, some people might actually want to play the games they do legally own but they want to be able to play them in a way that doesn't look like shit. Some people, like me, would rather play PM:TTYD with textures that don't look like they were put through a wheat thresher."

This is the retarded bullshit excuse that people use to get all the shitendo ROMS on the Yuzu, because you bought one game and want to experience it in a good way, and again, it's the MIG switch bitch trick, just don't stream, or tell others, because it is not allowed.

Again, after experiencing the disgusting shit that SMT V was, I did not want the same shit at 240 FPS, it's just a shit argument that's fronted so that you have enough time to dump evidence of criminal offense, why in the fuck are you buying a nintendo product in the first place if you know it's going to look and play like shit?

Whatever Yuzu iteration that survives will probably work as you mention, you having the cartridge (Nintencuck) and paying for extra hardware to run it non natively, until they buy whatever law to prohibit nintendo products oot of their intended hardware.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Nah, they're worried that people will be able to start emulating their soon-to-be-released system.

Oh they know people will be able to. It’s never been that hard when it comes to Nintendo. This honestly seems like Nintendo being loud and saying ‘please don’t be stupid like these people and make us have to come after you, we know where you live’

Second off, some people might actually want to play the games they do legally own but they want to be able to play them in a way that doesn't look like shit. Some people, like me, would rather play PM:TTYD with textures that don't look like they were put through a wheat thresher.

That’s what I do. I buy the stuff to get my save files off. Just so I can reply old stuff without losing the things that hold value to me in terms of sentimentalness.

It’s why I am excited about the MiG and Cart dumper. I like having backup tools that can’t be closed down.

 

[Day of the Cope]

Since poor indie company Nintendo got a bunch of money, maybe they can use some of that to develop joysticks that actually last longer than Fruit Stripe gum?

 

[Leaded Gasoline]

Since poor indie company Nintendo got a bunch of money, maybe they can use some of that to develop joysticks that actually last longer than Zebra Stripe gum?

why should they? people are going to keep buying their trash no matter what

 

[George Lucas]

It's the current year and devs of console emulators (and others things such as game mods) still haven't learned to take an example from crack/warez groups by going incognito and practicing proper opsec to make sure their work can't be traced back to specific individuals. Each year these companies show less and less tolerance for people manipulating their products outside of their intended purpose, yet people keep making the same mistakes and acting surprised as if there's absolutely no way that could have happened.

Yes, I'm still pissed about re3 and reVC projects getting fucked over by Rockstar.

I mean they do for the most part. We don’t even know where Byuu is. It’s just there are a few high-profile projects that show blatant disregard for their longevity.

I'm curious what their argument was to warrant such a response. The yuzu guys are clearly spooked.

$2.4 million is no small matter. Nintendo had something good on them. Did they start discovery?

I wanna say that it's good that Yuzu avoided taking this to court where Nintendo could set legal precedent, but I worry that this will only embolden the Big N-Word.

You do know what a VM is, right? You know that the simple act of "emulation" is for more than playing 20 year old games, right?

Trial courts don’t set legal precedent.

 

[the_hidden_one]

Was it legal for Yuzu to do what they did? Obviously Nintendo had SOME kind of dirt on them or this wouldn't have gone as quick as it did. (I'm hearing on reddit, god forgive me, that Yuzu was advertising their early patreon releases with "this will let you play [upcoming leaked and cracked game]," which is basically game over for any defense that they might have had.) But ostensibly yes, emulation is legal.

From what I understand Nintendo was invoking the DMCA regarding the keys they use in the console. It was a new attack vector for them going after emulation. If the DMCA was around back in the day they probably would have used it against Tengen (Atari) for bypassing that lock out chip in the NES.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Nintendo is worse than Sony and Microsoft and it's crazy that it's not the popular opinion.

 

[Bowiotronic]

Nintendo is worse than Sony and Microsoft and it's crazy that it's not the popular opinion.

Becaause they will release dumb shit that'll keep li'l Jimmy stimmed, as opposed to the other two companies, who releasse dumb shit to keep Big Jimmy stimmed instead.