Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge knew that these tanks would get fucked up just as much as Russia's fancy next generation tanks would, because Tanks are merely rolling direct fire artillery platforms, not iron fortresses. The coping and seething is just normies catching up to another reality of warfare.

Problem is, those normies now run the federal government. You and I know that two dozen Abrams will do fuck all in a war at this scale, but our betters in Washington - same people who think they can control the global climate by building windmills, or turn niggers into white people by defunding the police - seem to have truly believed that a few outdated tanks were going to start going MLG Pro on Russian formations.
 
Can the piggers please surrender or die off before Washington and its EU puppet sends an entire generation of young Europeans to die off? If we have yet another world war style die off, the current crop of elite rodents will gleefully bulldoze all the tombstones of those young men, and build migrant camps atop.

I don't care how it ends at this point. It just needs to end ASAP. If the 'hols are actually serious about fighting to the last pig, then that's on them.
 
If the 'hols are actually serious about fighting to the last pig, then that's on them.
I got bad news for you about who is and isn't a hohol these days....
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An army of non citizens on American soil armed to the teeth. What could go wrong?

I already worry about the armed to the teeth US citizens in the military. There are bases like Fort Hood which are more under the control of criminals and gangs than military officers. The type of citizen recruits the US military is bringing in these days is horrific. Its nothing like it was even 20 years ago.
 
GM didnt start making the small block engine until the 50s making it hard to copy in the 30s. This play is called the LazorPig where you make unsubstantiated claims about engines. But here you know in your hearts that this is true.
No Hilux has ever had a GM small block engine, or a Toyota engine derived from one, at any point in time in history. I don't even think the Toyota truck has ever even had a pushrod engine in its entire history of being.
 
People join the military for other strange reasons. People who hate the US join it just for the benefits, pay and shitty healthcare because they think they are ripping the country off. Some are interested in getting the training, then going back to a shithole country and work for the quasi-military cartels. Others want a chance to legally kill people. For some its just a means to an end. By default you're going to have these individuals but having a significant amount of them is unhealthy and unsustainable for an efficient military force.
 
Neocon darling Senator Marco Rubio admits he always knew Ukraine was fucked but didn't want to say it publicly.
“We have the reality of it is that Ukraine is small compared to Russia in terms of size and its ability to bring scale, its ability to force, conscript people… I’m just being honest,” he said. “You know, in the past, I have tried not to talk about this publicly because I thought it undermined the leverage that Ukraine had, but now it’s the reality.”
What he doesn't address is how much needless death & destruction was caused because of this fucking fairy tale they sold.
>France chickened the fuck out
>CIA already throwing Zelensky under the bus for not meeting their unrealistic expectations
>Army troons 41%-ing as we speak
>US senators already selling their lockheed martin stocks

I'm smelling blood in the water
 
From the ever-grinding rumor mill.
Yesterday Alexander Mercouris was also speculating that the audio of German generals talking about how best to blast Kerch Bridge might have been sent from Singapore.

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Do you think there are higher ups in the German government who want the war over so the economic relationship with Russia can be restored to pre-war conditions?
 
Went out to buy cigarettes I hope, because the only other explanation for 700k drafted men mysteriously vanishing into thin air is Ukraine lying about their combat losses, and they would never do that, would they?


No, no, of course not! Zelensky either left them behind mountains of coke in one of his house or the dresser, maybe even under the bed ! You see ....soldiers are like small trinkets, you can loose them in a lot of weird places.

Hope, that once again explains it.
 
However, this contrasts with the Normie perception of the tank, which is an impenetrable bulwark of steel that cannot be stopped.
Yeah, tanks have always been vulnerable to breakdowns, mines, deep trenches, concrete barriers, artillery fire, and infantry disabling their tracks:
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In WW2, the Allies and Axis powers lost tens of thousands of tanks, in the Soviet Union's case they lost approximately 75% of all the tanks they had during the war.

Western militaries have kinda gotten the idea, probably from the illusory Gulf War turkey shoot and the perverse incentives built into the Western MIC, that modern MBTs are something like high tech fighter jets. Something you can expect to inflict lopsided losses on the enemy while barely taking a scratch itself.

But in a peer level war, tanks (and high tech fighter jets, and warships, and every other type of fighting machine) are consumables. They're going to be damaged and destroyed by enemy action, so the side that can manufacture and repair more war machines, more quickly than its enemies, will probably win the war.

What the Ukraine war is teaching us is that NATO has gotten its strategy completely wrong and Russia got it right. Small quantities of complex and highly expensive bespoke systems are not enough to win a conventional war with a near-peer enemy. You need huge quantities of good-enough weapons and armor that you can afford to churn out in bulk, and plenty of men to fight in them. The factories back home are equally as important as the men at the front, and having massive stockpiles of weapons and munitions at the outbreak of war is essential if you don't want to quickly run into shortages.

BTW although tanks are now more vulnerable than ever, they're still irreplaceable battlefield assets. The drone menace hasn't made them obsolete, but it does mean every serious military on the planet will be urgently looking at better ways to detect and kill drones. The tanks of WW3 will fight in concert with their own drone swarms, and with good enough AI and autoloaders, they won't need men inside them.

What happens when consumer grade AI is good enough to allow any weapon that has a camera attached to independently identify and attack the enemy, without human input? That means you can set up automated turrets, robotic sniper nests, and finally, the death robots we've always wanted.
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Well the biggest issue that I've seen with the Ukrainian's use of Western tanks (based on the video footage we've gotten) is that they're using them in singles, rather than in multi-vehicle platoons. That Abrams that got taken out is particularly egregious in that it appears that it was operating entirely alone without any other tank or support.

I'm half-wondering if the Hohols are remembering those old wartime tales of Waffen-SS panzer men using a single Tiger tank to successfully fight off waves of Soviet tanks and thinking they can do the same with the NATO-donated Wunderwaffen...completely forgetting that not only were those instances of single Tigers holding their own very rare, but the men that manned Tiger tanks were almost universally veteran tankers with a lot of combat experience under their belts.
The Russians dare to refuse their batchall?!

 
Why won't men fight dirty even to save their lives? This is why you carry pepper spray, and when that runs out, you start scratching at the eyes. Ukraine is literally a war zone, buy a gun and start shooting ffs. You've got literally nothing to lose, it's either "you fight back against four nazi faggots and maybe survive" or "you definitely die in a ditch while artillery shells and quadcopters explode around you".
 
Why won't men fight dirty even to save their lives? This is why you carry pepper spray, and when that runs out, you start scratching at the eyes. Ukraine is literally a war zone, buy a gun and start shooting ffs. You've got literally nothing to lose, it's either "you fight back against four nazi faggots and maybe survive" or "you definitely die in a ditch while artillery shells and quadcopters explode around you".
They usually have lists. With names and details. In other words, pull out a pepper spray, and you might get away, but you’ll likely risk arrest by the SBU or Nazi hoodlums.

The mayor of Odessa recently bragged that “his boys” Nazi gangs basically, had visited over 5000 people who were deemed to be friendly to Russia, and hundreds of those got sentenced in courts afterwards.

It’s long past time to stop pretending that Ukraine is a democracy. It’s a dictatorship led by revolving gangs of kleptocrats with Nazi militias running around.

Well the biggest issue that I've seen with the Ukrainian's use of Western tanks (based on the video footage we've gotten) is that they're using them in singles, rather than in multi-vehicle platoons. That Abrams that got taken out is particularly egregious in that it appears that it was operating entirely alone without any other tank or support.

I'm half-wondering if the Hohols are remembering those old wartime tales of Waffen-SS panzer men using a single Tiger tank to successfully fight off waves of Soviet tanks and thinking they can do the same with the NATO-donated Wunderwaffen...completely forgetting that not only were those instances of single Tigers holding their own very rare, but the men that manned Tiger tanks were almost universally veteran tankers with a lot of combat experience under their belts.
They HAVE used them in platoons and groups, just like their NATO trainers told them.

That ended with a fields of burnt out vehicles near Rabityne.
 
They usually have lists. With names and details. In other words, pull out a pepper spray, and you might get away, but you’ll likely risk arrest by the SBU or Nazi hoodlums.
Do you really think so? All these videos seem to depict men getting kidnapped at random streets. If they were going by lists I would expect a lot more clips of raids on homes and workplaces.
 
Why won't men fight dirty even to save their lives? This is why you carry pepper spray, and when that runs out, you start scratching at the eyes. Ukraine is literally a war zone, buy a gun and start shooting ffs. You've got literally nothing to lose, it's either "you fight back against four nazi faggots and maybe survive" or "you definitely die in a ditch while artillery shells and quadcopters explode around you".
Four guys, not likely that it would work. But it would piss the guys off to give you a sever beating. Scratching eyes out is also something easier said then done. Most guys don't have female length nails for one also. That and most functional people have aversity to violent behavior and action specially gauging/injuring someone's eyes.
 
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