Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[make_it_so]

Russia gets a lot more value from its spend, because they're a single country producing a smaller number of types. And because Russia hasn't decided to fuck itself with Net Zero, it's still affordable to manufacture things in Russia.

That and, unlike Europe's offerings, Russia's already relatively cheaper cost means that a number of the Russian MIC's big ticket items from jets, to AFV's, so submarines can be exported world wide, increasing their production runs and thus even further lowering the cost per unit.

/pol/ trying to find solutions to protect the ships.

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You know what the crazy thing is? A long time ago, there were this things called torpedo nets which were the major naval powers' response to the introduction of torpedoes and torpedo attack boats in the late 19th century, which were basically the equivalent of today's suicide drones in terms of how they upset established war doctrine. I seriously wonder if employing something similar would at least be an immediate solution to the problem these sea attack drones pose.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

I'm going to guess it's more pragmatic (and pathetic) reasons: Recent and ongoing developments and US news coverage is making Biden look really bad, and he needs someone to fall on the sword during election year. ChildSniffer in Chiefs staff must have finally realized that Ukraine is going to lose, and there is a strong chance it totally collapses this year before the US election. So, they pin in on her, pivot, and try to do everything it takes to stall and juggle the blunder until after the election. And/or hand Trump a nightmare quagmire as a "fuck-you" move.

"Falling on the sword" was one of my own first conclusions when I heard Nuland was stepping down and I stopped to think about its significance in the big picture of this war. The US has to know Ukraine can't last for much longer, but exactly how the situation ends remains to be seen, also considering Europe is preparing for a massive invasion of the rest of the continent which may or may not happen.

 

[The Ugly One]

And thus she got fired for fucking up the war and possibly ending it prematurely.

Firing somebody for failure is so unlike this administration that it is the single least likely explanation.

 

[Betonhaus]

Firing somebody for failure is so unlike this administration that it is the single least likely explanation.

Unless she's making way for a fall guy and will take back her position once the dust settles.

 

[blackjack101]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1707883538626436.webm

 

[Rubick]

You know what the crazy thing is? A long time ago, there were this things called torpedo nets which were the major naval powers' response to the introduction of torpedoes and torpedo attack boats in the late 19th century, which were basically the equivalent of today's suicide drones in terms of how they upset established war doctrine. I seriously wonder if employing something similar would at least be an immediate solution to the problem these sea attack drones pose.

They'll probably reconfigure Paket-NK anti-torpedo torpedo's to engage UUV also. It'll probably able to do so to begin with. Alas it has only been thus far equipped on newer vessels like Project 2038x and Gorshkov class.

And since the system dates from late Sov era although real design started in the 90's and came official only into service in the 2010 and 2014 was the first time it was actively used in naval exercises.


I expect they'll start working on a updated version soon enough if not already with this new treat in mind also.

 

[Fapcop]

Saw the weirdest fucking story on Telegram rodsystem. Was going to post it for you fine gentlemen, but cant find it anymore.

So there was this Ukrainian, who claimed he was taken prisoner by the Russians… AND SOLD TO CHECHNYA WHERE THEY CUT IFF HIS ARM AND BOTH LEGS, and somehow ended up in Ukraine again.

Just straight up bizarro world shit, with an accompanying picture of an arm and leg less Ukrop.

I reckon that’s the kind of propaganda they feed to their soldiers these days.

“If you surrender, you’ll get human trafficked and mutilated by schizo-doctors!”

 

[Rubick]

You know Chechens and slavery i wouldn't exactly be shocked.. But why would they cut his arms and legs off ? What use is a damn slave going to have ?


If one is going to do propaganda make it at least somewhat make sense.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Nothing burger

The VAST majority of illegals just want gibs and money, not citizenship. Most plan to suck up as much cash as possible then retire back home and give remittances.

We already have non-citizens serving on the military, it's rare but happens.

You sure about the gibs buddy? If one would go for social benefits why not go for Germany or France. The states got no Universal healthcare for example. The Bild news paper though is asking the most important question:

"Employment or social benefits: what pays more?"

And since the new Buergergeld they even publish lists of jobs that pay LESS than sitting on your ass and receiving welfare. LOL.

https://www.nius.de/gesellschaft/in...rgergeld/9fbbbcd7-a584-4c3e-a78e-4c62a3e28faa

Based on a family of 4 people, 2 kids included that is.
Muslims may have low IQs but they know how to get something for nothing. Try to beat that, America! I would go for it myself, but I enjoy driving my car too much.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

What's the French logic here? Do they believe Russia can't or won't attack French soldiers? What's the "strategic dilemma"? In what manner is Russia limited when French troops attack Russian soldiers, and Russia itself? More important, are they aware the Anglosphere, as well as Europe, aren't manufacturing materiel in the amounts that would be required if Russia decided to form a 21st century version of the Sixth Coalition, meaning WWIII, which would also mean the destruction and death of the EU, the US and of course, NATO? That is, if WWIII doesn't destroy us all first.

Someone please help me understand French faggotry and their amnesia regarding their history with Russia.

 

[make_it_so]

What's the French logic here? Do they believe Russia can't or won't attack French soldiers? What's the "strategic dilemma"? In what manner is Russia limited when French troops attack Russian soldiers, and Russia itself? More important, are they aware the Anglosphere, as well as Europe, aren't manufacturing materiel in the amounts that would be required if Russia decided to form a 21st century version of the Sixth Coalition, meaning WWIII, which would also mean the destruction and death of the EU, the US and of course, NATO? That is, if WWIII doesn't destroy us all first.

Someone please help me understand French faggotry and their amnesia regarding their history with Russia.

They must be thinking that the Russians will restrain themselves from attacking certain Ukrainian targets if NATO personnel are there, much as how the U.S. under Johnson restrained itself from attacking certain North Vietnamese targets early on because Soviet personnel were present.

Never mind that Nixon would go on to say "fuck that gay shit!" and gave to go ahead to bomb everything north of the 17th parallel. And that Putin is far more likely to follow the example of Tricky Dick than Uncle Cornpone.

 

[Betonhaus]

You know Chechens and slavery i wouldn't exactly be shocked.. But why would they cut his arms and legs off ? What use is a damn slave going to have ?


If one is going to do propaganda make it at least somewhat make sense.

I'm vaguely aware of some places that are more harsh in criminals having a policy of chopping off the hands of thieves and criminals. I suspect the Ukrop did something that made chopping his hands off seem justified.

 

[Fapcop]

I'm vaguely aware of some places that are more harsh in criminals having a policy of chopping off the hands of thieves and criminals. I suspect the Ukrop did something that made chopping his hands off seem justified.

Pic in question… Found it!

 

[Feline Supremacist]

They must be thinking that the Russians will restrain themselves from attacking certain Ukrainian targets if NATO personnel are there, much as how the U.S. under Johnson restrained itself from attacking certain North Vietnamese targets early on because Soviet personnel were present.

Never mind that Nixon would go on to say "fuck that gay shit!" and gave to go ahead to bomb everything north of the 17th parallel. And that Putin is far more likely to follow the example of Tricky Dick than Uncle Cornpone.

I don't think that's it. Russia has never, and will never be, anything like the US, and its presidents. Something else is at play here for Macron to behave in this way.

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Yeah...while maybe I could have bought an overly enthusiatic Sharia enjoyer did the needful when a hohol infidel indulged his usual thieving self, one below the knee and another above amputation indicate either a car crash or, more likely, he became acquainted with Russian explosives during his service as a "cook" in the AFU. Maybe both if the vehicle was military.

A lying hohol. Also, water is wet.

 

[Tumbo II]

Absolutely. But we dont need to go that far into the past. Anybody remember Long John Silver here, fighting under the pirate flag?

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Thats a good example what happens if you deploy a PMC group on the home front. And those dudes were not even Non-citizens.

Cudos to Vlad who handled the situation like a pro.

Nudelmans replacement:

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You could make this any funnier if you tried this is great I'm sure he knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

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What's the French logic here? Do they believe Russia can't or won't attack French soldiers? What's the "strategic dilemma"? In what manner is Russia limited when French troops attack Russian soldiers, and Russia itself? More important, are they aware the Anglosphere, as well as Europe, aren't manufacturing materiel in the amounts that would be required if Russia decided to form a 21st century version of the Sixth Coalition, meaning WWIII, which would also mean the destruction and death of the EU, the US and of course, NATO? That is, if WWIII doesn't destroy us all first.

Someone please help me understand French faggotry and their amnesia regarding their history with Russia.

Russia has already been killing French soldiers in Ukraine. Maybe this is posturing for those families knowing it goes nowhere?

 

[Tumbo II]

What are the odds congress can come together enough to permanently end Aid for Ukraine? I know Rand Paul said as much but will their come a point when enough of Congress goes fuck giving them more money? I imagine if it happens it will be soon.

 

[Susanna]

I would go for it myself, but I enjoy driving my car too much.

You'd be bored to tears within a week.
Staying home on benefits isn't the "idle rich travel the world" style of no work life, it's the "stay at home all day looking for small jobs you can do off the books so you can afford the family train tickets to the city once a month for any type of leisure whatsoever" style. It's frankly miserable.
Instead invest your savings so you can live off of the revenue, then retire into a life of roaming southern Europe in a motorhome instead. You genuinely don't need much money to do this, it's very much an achievable goal for the average westerner, and when you get tired of one place you can just drive somewhere new, or simply sell the motorhome and go back to living in a proper house.

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

Trouble in Paradise?
Ukraine’s first lady declines State of the Union invitation (Archive) | Link

Apparently they invited Yulia Navalnaya who eventually declined but learning that she might be there, Olena Zelenska also declined. The reason?
Navalny was a Putin stooge!

"Navalny’s legacy in Ukraine is clouded by past statements that Crimea, which Putin annexed in 2014, belonged to Russia.Even though Navalny’s views later evolved into support for Ukraine’s internationally recognized 1991 borders, many Ukrainians view him as out of step with Kyiv’s goals."

 

[The Ugly One]

The states got no Universal healthcare for example.

We do for illegal aliens. If you come to the USA illegally, you get free food, free medical care, free housing, a free phone, and an Amazon gift card. The important thing is that you break all our immigration laws, that's how to get rewarded.