MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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Skeealator said:
Pence clearly won, but Hillary now has loads of footage for campaign ads where Trump says one thing and Pence denies he ever said it.
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I think it was a clear win for Pence in the context of the debate, and Kaine clearly looked like an asshole. However, I don't think he cared. He was clearly in there to get exactly those kind of sound bites and he got them. He was willing to look like an annoying dick in order to do it. That was basically his job.

I somewhat question the tactical soundness of it and whether it was worth the trade-off, but it was intentional. Specifically, it's generally the policy that the insurgent candidate (i.e. the one behind) should do the negative campaigning and if you're ahead you act above it all.

However, the fact they did the opposite, with Pence looking good, was apparently because of tactical choices by both candidates. (And maybe some long-term planning by Pence for future runs. I was generally impressed by him and generally don't like him, so he did a good job.)
 
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AnOminous said:
I think it was a clear win for Pence in the context of the debate, and Kaine clearly looked like an asshole. However, I don't think he cared. He was clearly in there to get exactly those kind of sound bites and he got them. He was willing to look like an annoying dick in order to do it. That was basically his job.

I somewhat question the tactical soundness of it and whether it was worth the trade-off, but it was intentional. Specifically, it's generally the policy that the insurgent candidate (i.e. the one behind) should do the negative campaigning and if you're ahead you act above it all.

However, the fact they did the opposite, with Pence looking good, was apparently because of tactical choices by both candidates. (And maybe some long-term planning by Pence for future runs. I was generally impressed by him and generally don't like him, so he did a good job.)
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If the goal was to make Pence look bad they would've brought up the fact that Pence basically caused an AIDS epidemic in Indiana, his stance on women's rights, his multiple "religious freedom" laws, etc.

However they more than likely knew (like everyone should know) that the VP debates don't really matter and wanted some more soundbytes to bait Trump with.

Which seems to be working because Trump is threatening to sue over the multiple ads against him (that are literally just him talking)

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...-to-sue-over-nasty-campaign-ads#disqus_thread
 
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Pikimon said:
Which seems to be working because Trump is threatening to sue over the multiple ads against him (that are literally just him talking)
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A Presidential candidate who threatens to sue over campaign ads is a lolcow.

America doesn't need a thin-skinned pussy who can't deal with the rough and tumble of politics and runs crying to mommy about it.
 
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AnOminous said:
A Presidential candidate who threatens to sue over campaign ads is a lolcow.

America doesn't need a thin-skinned pussy who can't deal with the rough and tumble of politics and runs crying to mommy about it.
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Especially when the commercials literally are just Trump talking in his own words.
 
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I know of a Trump sign that was kicked down and covered in graffiti in a day or two. In a "red state."
 
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millais said:
That was before they got involved in Syria. Now we should be trying to hammer out at least some sort of nominal cooperation with them to fight ISIS at the very least, and Obama and State Department seem determined to spurn the possibility of an alliance of convenience because there's a chance some moderate beheaders might get killed
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John Kerry worked for months and finally achieved an agreement with Russia but that fell apart when Russia started bombing civilian areas.

AnOminous said:
I think it was a clear win for Pence in the context of the debate, and Kaine clearly looked like an asshole. However, I don't think he cared. He was clearly in there to get exactly those kind of sound bites and he got them. He was willing to look like an annoying dick in order to do it. That was basically his job.

I somewhat question the tactical soundness of it and whether it was worth the trade-off, but it was intentional. Specifically, it's generally the policy that the insurgent candidate (i.e. the one behind) should do the negative campaigning and if you're ahead you act above it all.

However, the fact they did the opposite, with Pence looking good, was apparently because of tactical choices by both candidates. (And maybe some long-term planning by Pence for future runs.
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I agree. But Trump was already reeling, so I think appearing more likable would have been a better play by Kaine for the ticket since Hillary's unlikability is second only to Trump's as far as recent presidential candidates go.
 
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So some news on the Trump Foundation.

For starters the New York Attorney General has ordered Trump to cease fundraising in New York.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ac6a68-8658-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html

Schneiderman had previously launched an investigation of the foundation in the wake of reports by The Washington Post that Trump used his charity’s money to make a political gift, to buy paintings of himself and to settle legal disputes involving his for-profit businesses.

Tax filings show that in each of the past 10 years for which there are records, the Trump Foundation raised more than $25,000 from outsiders. Tax records alone do not reveal whether the donations amounted to solicitations under New York law, but in several cases there is strong evidence that they did.

For instance, the foundation has received more than $2.3 million from companies that owed money to Trump or one of his businesses — but that were instructed to pay the foundation instead, according to people familiar with those transactions.
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“He’s a billionaire who acts like a thousandaire,” said James J. Fishman, a professor at Pace University’s law school in White Plains, N.Y. He said Trump’s foundation seemed to have made errors, including the lack of proper registration, that were more common among very small family foundations.

“You wouldn’t expect somebody who’s supposed to be sophisticated, and brags about his business prowess, would run his foundation like this,” Fishman said.
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This coincides with issues that have arisen previously with Trump utilizing Trump Foundation funds for personal usage (most famously a dinner in Paris with Salma Hayek and a 6ft portrait of himself) it has now been discovered that Trump has illegally used Trump Foundation funds as gifts for Attorney Generals who investigate into Trump's business dealings. Bear in mind, the Trump Foundation has not seen a donation from Trump himself since 2008, so this is all donor money he's using.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-donations-state-attorney-general

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-...eys-general-reviewing-his-business-1475689963

In 1985, Trump pledged a $15,000 donation to Robert Abrams, then the attorney general of New York, while the attorney general's office was considering proposals from Trump to convert co-op apartments into condominiums, according to a report by the New York State Commission on Government Integrity reviewed by the Wall Street Journal. The commission did not find a conflict of interest, according to the Journal.

Several attorneys general who received donations from Trump while considering proposals or cases from the real estate mogul returned the checks or later donated the money to charity, including Schneiderman, California Attorney General Kamala Harris, and former New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, the Wall Street Journal reported.
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And now on top of that, new investigations have found that Trump Foundation funds were used to fund his 2016 political campaign.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ation_funds_for_2016_run_filings_suggest.html

“It was a quiet donation that came with a simple cover letter,” Smith said. It read: “Great meeting with you and your wife in my office,” dated May 6, 2011. Enclosed was a check for $10,000 from the Donald J. Trump Foundation.

That check is one of at least several donations to suggest Trump used his private foundation, funded by outside donors, to launch and fuel his political ambitions. Such contributions, if they were made solely for Trump’s benefit, could violate federal self-dealing laws for private foundations.

From 2011 through 2014, Trump harnessed his eponymous foundation to send at least $286,000 to influential conservative or policy groups, a RealClearPolitics review of the foundation’s tax filings found. In many cases, this flow of money corresponded to prime speaking slots or endorsements that aided Trump as he sought to recast himself as a plausible Republican candidate for president.

Although sources familiar with the thinking behind the donations cautioned that Trump did not explicitly ask for favors in return for the money, they said the contributions were part of a deliberate effort by Trump to ingratiate himself with influential conservatives and brighten his political prospects.

“He was politically active starting in 2011,” said one source with ties to Trump, and at that point he “started to make strategic donations.”

The lion’s share of those donations came from Trump’s personal funds and went straight to political campaigns or parties. But others, in particular those directed to the nonprofit arms of conservative policy groups, originated with Trump’s foundation.
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TL;DR: Trump is using the Trump Foundation as a slush fund for bribes, personal purchases and politics
 
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Legatus Lanius said:
I think the fact he thinks abusing the tax code loophole is ingenius is insulting. For a populist, he doesn't seem to see why a billionaire being able to pay nothing while his supporters do. That loophole should not be there, and the top earners sure as shit shouldn't pay less in taxes.
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Loophole implies he's taking advantage of something that shouldn't be there in order to break the law. That provison is intentionally written into the tax code and most tax software automatically deducts business losses. Trump is an asshole but seriously, stop spreading a blatant falsehood.
 
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Ruin said:
Loophole implies he's taking advantage of something that shouldn't be there in order to break the law.
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A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent of said system. That deduction was intended to protect people who's sole means of income is a business. Mom and Pop stores don't have the assets to avoid turning a billion dollar loss into a deathblow. I'm pretty sure Trump's living conditions didn't suffer so much he needed 20 years of near exemption from federal income taxes to recouperate.
Was it legal? Sure
Should it be possible to not pay income taxes for 20 years, especially for someone in the top earner's bracket?
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Is it dumb he thinks him dicking with the system means he should be incharge of the system?
More pants on head retarded.

And if you want to talk about blatant falsehoods...

"NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

"Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

"I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

I'm not crazy nor senile. But this man makes me question that idea, and Pence's non-defence of "nu-uh" isn't helping
 
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Legatus Lanius said:
A loophole is an ambiguity or inadequacy in a system, which can be used to circumvent or otherwise avoid the intent of said system. That deduction was intended to protect people who's sole means of income is a business. Mom and Pop stores don't have the assets to avoid turning a billion dollar loss into a deathblow. I'm pretty sure Trump's living conditions didn't suffer so much he needed 20 years of near exemption from federal income taxes to recouperate.
Was it legal? Sure
Should it be possible to not pay income taxes for 20 years, especially for someone in the top earner's bracket?
Fuck no
Is it dumb he thinks him dicking with the system means he should be incharge of the system?
More pants on head exceptional.

And if you want to talk about blatant falsehoods...

"NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

"Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

"I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

I'm not crazy nor senile. But this man makes me question that idea, and Pence's non-defence of "nu-uh" isn't helping
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I'm sorry I still don't understand this. So Trump follows the tax code exactly and doesn't break any laws, and this is proof that he's an evil monster somehow?
 
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