Culture AP: Irish prime minister concedes defeat in vote over constitutional amendments about family and women - Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said voters had delivered “two wallops” to the government.

Irish prime minister concedes defeat in vote over constitutional amendments about family and women
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Michael Kealy and Brian Melley
2024-03-09 17:38:13GMT

DUBLIN (AP) — Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar conceded defeat Saturday as two constitutional amendments he supported that would have broadened the definition of family and removed language about a woman’s role in the home were headed toward rejection in early vote tallies.

Varadkar, who pushed the vote to enshrine gender equality in the constitution by removing “very old-fashioned language” and tried to recognize the realities of modern family life, said voters had delivered “two wallops” to the government.

“Clearly we got it wrong,” he said. “While the old adage is that success has many fathers and failure is an orphan, I think when you lose by this kind of margin, there are a lot of people who got this wrong and I am certainly one of them.”

Opponents argued that the wording of the changes in the constitution was poorly thought out — an argument that appeared to have gained traction in the final days of the campaign. Voters said they were confused by the questions and others said they feared changes would lead to unintended consequences.

The referendum was viewed as part of Ireland’s evolution from a conservative, overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country in which divorce and abortion were illegal, to an increasingly diverse and socially liberal society. The proportion of residents who are Catholic fell from 94.9% in 1961 to 69% in 2022, according to the Central Statistics Office.

The social transformation has been reflected in a series of changes to Ireland’s Constitution, which dates from 1937, though the country was not formally known as the Republic of Ireland until 1949. Irish voters legalized divorce in a 1995 referendum, backed same-sex marriage in a 2015 vote and repealed a ban on abortions in 2018.

The first question dealt with a part of the constitution that pledges to protect the family as the primary unit of society. Voters were asked to remove a reference to marriage as the basis “on which the family is founded” and replace it with a clause that said families can be founded “on marriage or on other durable relationships.” If passed, it would have been the constitution’s 39th amendment.

A proposed 40th amendment would have removed a reference that a woman’s place in the home offered a common good that could not be provided by the state and delete a statement that said mothers shouldn’t be obligated to work out of economic necessity if it would neglect their duties at home. It would have added a clause saying the state will strive to support “the provision of care by members of a family to one another.”

Varadkar said his camp hadn’t convinced people of the need for the vote never mind issues over how the questions were worded. Supporters of the amendment and opponents said the government had failed to explain why change was necessary or mount a robust campaign.

“The government misjudged the mood of the electorate and put before them proposals which they didn’t explain and proposals which could have serious consequences,” Sen. Michael McDowell, an independent who opposed both measures, told Irish broadcaster RTE.

Labour Party Leader Ivana Bacik told RTE that she supported the measures despite concerns over their wording but said the government had run a lackluster campaign.

The debate was less charged than the arguments over abortion and gay marriage. Ireland’s main political parties all supported the changes, including centrist government coalition partners Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and the biggest opposition party, Sinn Fein.

One political party that called for “no” votes was Aontú, a traditionalist group that split from Sinn Fein over the larger party’s backing for legal abortion. Aontú leader Peadar Tóibín said the government’s wording was so vague it will lead to legal wrangles and most people “do not know what the meaning of a durable relationship is.”

The Free Legal Advice Centers, a legal charity, expressed concern the change to the section on care contained “harmful stereotypes such as the concept that the provision of care … is the private responsibility of unpaid family members without any guarantee of state support.”

Some disability rights campaigners argued the emphasis on care treats disabled people as a burden, rather than as individuals with rights that should be guaranteed by the state.

Opinion polls had suggested support for the “yes” side on both votes, but many voters remained undecided as Friday’s polling — held on International Women’s Day — neared and some said they found the issue too confusing or too hurried to change the constitution.

“I thought it was too rushed,” said Una Ui Dhuinn, a nurse in Dublin. “I felt we didn’t get enough time to think about it and read up on it. So I felt, to be on the safe side, ‘no, no’ — no change.”

Caoimhe Doyle, a doctoral student, said she voted yes to changing the definition of family but no to the care amendment because “I don’t think it was explained very well.”

“There’s a worry there that they’re removing the burden on the state to take care of families,” she said.
 
Opponents argued that the wording of the changes in the constitution was poorly thought out — an argument that appeared to have gained traction in the final days of the campaign. Voters said they were confused by the questions and others said they feared changes would lead to unintended consequences.
Chesterton's Fence applies well in this case.
 
Even the fucking conservatives backed it. Shower of bastards.

There are no real credible conservative parties in Ireland.

The populace is very much live-and-let-live nowadys as a result of the deposed Catholic Church brutally ruling with an iron fist in previous decades. There isn't a single family in the country that didn't have at least one member abused by them.

Also, social welfare is incredibly generous in Ireland so the appetite just isn't there for a party that would make any meaningful cuts to it.

Your average Irish "conservative" would be considered a borderline Commie in a lot of other countries.
 
You got it wrong, huh?

Your first clue should've been that your constituents didn't ask for this, you just up and decided it was time for change and that only a small minority of Wrong Side of History (tm) folk would disagree......
 
Ireland Rejects Constitution Changes, Keeping ‘Women in the Home’ Language
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Megan Specia
2024-03-09 17:08:47GMT
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Voting at a polling station on Friday in Dublin.Credit...Clodagh Kilcoyne/Reuters

Voters in Ireland have rejected two proposed changes to the country’s Constitution that would have removed language about women’s duties being in the home and broadened the definition of family beyond marriage.

The results, announced on Saturday, were an unexpected defeat for equality campaigners and for Leo Varadkar, the taoiseach, or prime minister.

Mr. Varadkar, speaking late Saturday afternoon after most of the votes had been counted, said that it was clear that the proposals had been defeated, and that the government respected the results.

“As head of government and on behalf of the government, we accept responsibility for the result,” he said. “It was our responsibility to convince the majority of people to vote ‘Yes,’ and we clearly failed to do so.”

Irish citizens had gone to the polls on Friday to vote in two referendums to amend the country’s 87-year-old Constitution, which was drafted at a time when the Roman Catholic Church’s influence on many aspects of life in Ireland was immense.

Supporters viewed the proposed amendments, which all of Ireland’s political parties backed, as vital to ensuring that the Constitution reflected the country’s more secular and liberal modern identity. But many of those who cast their ballots in the referendums said “no” to both questions being considered.

Many analysts and politicians said the results were more complex than a simple rejection of the proposed changes. A lower-than-expected voter turnout and confusing messaging by the “Yes” campaign may have contributed to the proposals’ failures.

In Friday’s referendums, voters were asked to consider two separate questions.

The first was whether to amend the Constitution’s Article 41 to provide for a wider concept of family. The suggested language would have recognized a family, “whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships, as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of society,” and eliminated another clause.

The second concerned Article 41.2, which equality activists and women’s rights groups had opposed for decades. It says that the state “recognizes that by her life within the home, woman gives to the state a support without which the common good cannot be achieved” and that it will “endeavor to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labor to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

The public voted against replacing that language with a new article recognizing all family caregivers.

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Counting ballots in Dublin on Saturday.Credit...Damien Storan/Press Association, via Associated Press

The result on the “life within the home” clause was met with disappointment from women’s rights groups that had long campaigned for the language, seen as a relic of a patriarchal past, to be removed.

Even before the Constitution was first ratified in 1937, some women had opposed the introduction of the language, and this year, the National Women’s Council of Ireland recreated their protest outside government buildings.

In recent decades, the Irish public has made a series of significant changes that rolled back socially conservative policies. In 1995, Ireland voted to end its ban on divorce, with a later referendum in 2019 further liberalizing divorce laws. In 2015, the country voted to legalize same-sex marriage, and, in 2018, a referendum was held that repealed the amendment that prohibited abortion.

The latest referendums were called after a Citizen’s Assembly was held in 2020 and 2021 on gender equality that made a series of recommendations, including a change to the Constitution. Some people had argued that the planned changes did not go far enough, and that may have been part of the reason the proposals were rejected.

Some opponents of the amendments had argued that the proposed language about “durable relationships” was too broadly defined. Others had said that the care provisions outlined to replace the language about women’s duties did not go far enough toward compelling the state to protect carers.

Michael McDowell, a lawyer who is an Independent member of the upper house of Ireland’s legislature and a onetime deputy head of government, had campaigned for a “No” vote.

“The government misjudged the mood of the electorate and put before them proposals which they did not explain, proposals which could have serious consequences,” he told RTÉ, the public broadcaster, adding that the language had been rushed through the legislature without much consultation.
Some people had argued that the planned changes did not go far enough, and that may have been part of the reason the proposals were rejected.
That's a high powered coping tactic, you don't see that one used very often.
 
How badly did this referendum lose? What was the actual vote tally and percent?

Yet the article does give this percent;

"The final result of the Family referendum has been just announced at Dublin Castle with 1,021,546 people, or 67.7% of voters, voting No and 487,564 people, or 32.3%, voting Yes." - per RTE news.

Of 39 total constituencies 38 voted No and the only one that scraped a Yes vote was Dún Laoighaire which is a fairly affluent area.
 
Varadkar said his camp hadn’t convinced people of the need for the vote never mind issues over how the questions were worded. Supporters of the amendment and opponents said the government had failed to explain why change was necessary or mount a robust campaign.
You spent a fair amount of time with $6b in NGO funds to try to convince them. Your opposition just put up posters in the last week leading up to the referendum. If you failed against that then... fuck me, the thing your arguing for might just be fucking worthless.
 
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