GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

This is testament to how long a fuck-up can follow you around. AMD drivers have been fine for a long time, ime. But people keep repeating this.
As a longtime user of both brands and relatively 50/50 on ownership, yup.

Have had no greater amount of issues from either brand, especially lately. But hey, don't let that stop people from raging about a driver kicking their dog 10+ years ago.
 
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There really is no good reason to buy an AMD card right now. For budget cards, the Arcs are the best. But through the entire rest of the price range, a 30 or 40 series Nvidia card is better than any AMD card in the price bracket.
You'd really say so? Looking at a reputable UK seller for over £100-200 less than the price of a 4080, you can get a Radeon 7900XTX and that's a powerful card with a lot of long-lasting potential.
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You'd really say so? Looking at a reputable UK seller for over £100-200 less than the price of a 4080, you can get a Radeon 7900XTX and that's a powerful card with a lot of long-lasting potential.
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It depends how much you value dlss. I don't care for it even with my rtx 4k cards.

But some think it's God's gift to gaming with zero downsides.
 
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You'd really say so? Looking at a reputable UK seller for over £100-200 less than the price of a 4080, you can get a Radeon 7900XTX and that's a powerful card with a lot of long-lasting potential.
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Yes. DLSS + FG puts NVIDIA cards a generation ahead of AMD. The software technology gap between NVIDIA and AMD right now is about as big as it can get. I wasn't a believer until what I saw my piddly little NVIDIA laptop GPU could do.
 
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Gaming laptops aren't very portable. I have one, and it's plenty powerful for gaming, but has a 2.5 hour battery life and a 200W PSU. For under $1000, though, there are some very good options, like this:

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834233559
I'd probably go with option (1), the Trident has another year or two of life left in it as a gaming PC.
I had my work's "clean desk" policy clarified and they are adamant that I pull all other computers out of the room during work hours. I don't yet know how they will enforce that with an iMac's webcam, but I think I should plan for having to take my computer out. So most likely a laptop, but maybe a handheld PC will work if they're powerful enough to handle a 1080p screen.
 
You'd really say so? Looking at a reputable UK seller for over £100-200 less than the price of a 4080, you can get a Radeon 7900XTX and that's a powerful card with a lot of long-lasting potential.
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I don't see why the 4080 would be any less long-lasting than the 7900 XTX. By the time you need 24 GB of VRAM for games, the memory bottlenecks on the 7900 XTX are going to mean the performance is shit anyway. GDDR7 is already on the horizon, after all.

Otherwise the difference is an extra $100-$200 for better raytracing support, DLSS, etc, and I feel like if you're going to be spending so much money for a GPU anyway, you might as well spring for those features unless you're absolutely certain you're not going to make use of them.

AMD's biggest issue atm is that nvidia's refresh prices put them very close in price except with better features. The 7800 XT for $500 used to be a good deal, but it's not so much anymore considering you can spend an extra $70-$120 to get a 4070 Super. And it's pretty much the same story at all price tiers.
 
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I had my work's "clean desk" policy clarified and they are adamant that I pull all other computers out of the room during work hours. I don't yet know how they will enforce that with an iMac's webcam, but I think I should plan for having to take my computer out. So most likely a laptop, but maybe a handheld PC will work if they're powerful enough to handle a 1080p screen.
Say what, now? I am intrigued. Is this some sort of working from home gig you have and you're required to have a provided computer be the only computer physically in the room?
 
Say what, now? I am intrigued. Is this some sort of working from home gig you have and you're required to have a provided computer be the only computer physically in the room?
Pretty much. I'm working for Teleperformance doing customer support for AppleCare and they provide an iMac M1 that's locked down tighter then a nun's knickers and they put great emphasis on not having anything that can record customer data.

Hopefully in a few years they will experiment with using the Apple Vision so that it's not possible to view or hear customer data outside of the headset.

I'm still a few months away from making a serious decision on what computer I can get to replace the one I sold.
 
Pretty much. I'm working for Teleperformance doing customer support for AppleCare and they provide an iMac M1 that's locked down tighter then a nun's knickers and they put great emphasis on not having anything that can record customer data.

Hopefully in a few years they will experiment with using the Apple Vision so that it's not possible to view or hear customer data outside of the headset.

I'm still a few months away from making a serious decision on what computer I can get to replace the one I sold.
Oh, I can actually see the positive intent in that. It seems to me that it's useless and only affects people who are already honest and it's probably a token legal effort, but... I approve of the goals.

Is the computer going to be a Windows machine? I'm weighing up building a new one myself. More than anything I just want some lightning fast OS drive. Mines on old NVMe v3 and I'm wondering if a latest gen high end would be quicker. I'm also now dual-booting between Linux and Windows which I'll need to figure out what my resolution for this is long-term as right now it's limiting me.
 
Otherwise the difference is an extra $100-$200 for better raytracing support, DLSS, etc, and I feel like if you're going to be spending so much money for a GPU anyway, you might as well spring for those features unless you're absolutely certain you're not going to make use of them.

Here's how I compare it - at best, FSR is only tolerable on Quality, which rasterizes 45% of the pixels and derives the rest. Even at Quality, it still tends to have visible shimmer and other artifacts.

By contrast, I usually can't tell DLSS is on even in Performance mode, which rasterizes only 25% of the pixels. Frame generation is icing on the cake. It generally looks great if you are at a base of at least 60 fps. Functionally, then, this puts any given AMD card on par with an NVIDIA a full tier lower, possibly more.

So, for example a 7900 XTX can run Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K ultra, no RT, FSR Quality at 75 FPS. This is the same frame rate a 4070 Ti gets at the same settings with DLSS in Performance mode. Add in FG, and you get 96 fps from the 4070 Ti. And this is true across the spectrum. NVIDIA outshines AMD when you put DLSS up against FSR. Right now, a 4070 Ti is selling for $720 on Newegg, $200 less than a 7900 XTX for arguably better real-world image quality.
 
Oh, I can actually see the positive intent in that. It seems to me that it's useless and only affects people who are already honest and it's probably a token legal effort, but... I approve of the goals.

Is the computer going to be a Windows machine? I'm weighing up building a new one myself. More than anything I just want some lightning fast OS drive. Mines on old NVMe v3 and I'm wondering if a latest gen high end would be quicker. I'm also now dual-booting between Linux and Windows which I'll need to figure out what my resolution for this is long-term as right now it's limiting me.
My system will be a Windows machine as I do still need the OS for certain things - plus I use the Microsoft cloud services like onedrive and I don't intend to switch. I don't game as much as I used to but I'd like to be able to play games i enjoy - very few are the super resource intensive AAA games so i don't need a super powerful system.

I get a monthly clean desk audit and so I should see how that goes before deciding to sneak in a desktop and kvm switch. I like the handheld formfactor and it would be nice for gaming on the couch or bed - I'd like to get the Legion Go if possible. Otherwise a laptop would be fine, not sure if I want slim and light or am ok with a more bulky one.

I dont see NVMe v3 as being particularly slow but I guess you're in a completely different scope for your computer.
 
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Mines on old NVMe v3 and I'm wondering if a latest gen high end would be quicker.
Depends on what you mean by “quicker”. PCIe 4 and 5 SSDs will be a noticeable but not huge upgrade in terms of loading single large files, for example a video game, but for loading many small files, for example like booting the operating system, you probably won’t notice any difference. PCIe3x2 Optane still wins massively in latency over PCIe5 flash drives, even though on paper the latter are an order of magnitude quicker, simply because flash kind of sucks at random read/write no matter the generation it’s transferring data over.
 
Not all games compress the same way. But yeah, most games anything over ~1GB/s makes no noticeable difference, so what you should chase is latency, which is where Optane still dominates. But an Optane game drive is silly for other reasons.
 
Depends on what you mean by “quicker”. PCIe 4 and 5 SSDs will be a noticeable but not huge upgrade in terms of loading single large files, for example a video game, but for loading many small files, for example like booting the operating system, you probably won’t notice any difference. PCIe3x2 Optane still wins massively in latency over PCIe5 flash drives, even though on paper the latter are an order of magnitude quicker, simply because flash kind of sucks at random read/write no matter the generation it’s transferring data over.

Not all games compress the same way. But yeah, most games anything over ~1GB/s makes no noticeable difference, so what you should chase is latency, which is where Optane still dominates. But an Optane game drive is silly for other reasons.
It's not really for games. It's for VMs and also AI models. So there are some large files involved, e.g. everytime I switch to a different Stable Diffusion checkpoint. But like you say, latency is also key. A review of a Seagate Firecuda NVMe drive looked quite good. I'm reluctant to buy an Optane drive because even though they're still available they're a dead technology. L1 Techs did a video the other week on a new type of drive that seemed to have very low latency. In fact, I think you might have linked it here! But that was more focused on the enterprise.

I've got 64GB of RAM in this machine. I wish it would cache files more aggressively. No reason for it to be reading a checkpoint from a drive that I had in memory fifteen minutes ago. Just keep a copy in the non-GPU RAM for as long as you have space! Silly OS!
 
It's not really for games. It's for VMs and also AI models. So there are some large files involved, e.g. everytime I switch to a different Stable Diffusion checkpoint. But like you say, latency is also key. A review of a Seagate Firecuda NVMe drive looked quite good. I'm reluctant to buy an Optane drive because even though they're still available they're a dead technology. L1 Techs did a video the other week on a new type of drive that seemed to have very low latency. In fact, I think you might have linked it here! But that was more focused on the enterprise.

I've got 64GB of RAM in this machine. I wish it would cache files more aggressively. No reason for it to be reading a checkpoint from a drive that I had in memory fifteen minutes ago. Just keep a copy in the non-GPU RAM for as long as you have space! Silly OS!
I'm sure you can play around with caching on Linux. With ZFS for example I had my memory filled with cache while playing around with AI models.
 
I've got 64GB of RAM in this machine. I wish it would cache files more aggressively. No reason for it to be reading a checkpoint from a drive that I had in memory fifteen minutes ago. Just keep a copy in the non-GPU RAM for as long as you have space! Silly OS!
are you using A1111? it already has a setting for that
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adding "--no-hashing" to the launch arguments also helps a lot
 
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