Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
Have any Christians here met with people who, despite being Christian, reject the Law of Moses altogether? That is, only considering the New Testament as authoritative concerning sin and evil.

Met someone just the other day who identified as a "therian zoophile" who happened to be Christian. He thought the Law was simply Moses' invention, though why is unknown.
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The law of Moses is... complicated. To understand it you must understand why it exists. So, Moses went up to talk with God on Mount Sinai for "40 days and 40 nights" which is Bible speak for a long fucking time. The jews just escaped Egypt. They thought he was dead (rolled a 1 on intelligence), and made the golden calf.

So Moses finished up talking to God and gets the Ten Commandments. When he comes down from the mountain, he is pissed, breaks the tablets, slaps some sense into the jews for losing faith.

So he goes back up the mountain, gets the 10 Commandments AGAIN, just now with a bit extra: the law of Moses, the most byzantine set of rules you've ever seen. This was in effect punishment. If the Jews would stray so quickly after seeing the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea, God would make them remember him, every day.

Hundreds of years pass. Jesus is born. The Son of God. At this point the Law of Moses is not working. They have been bent and twisted to hell by the pharisees. So Jesus fulfills the law (the prophesies) and gives out new Commandments. Christianity is born.
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
Christianity is born.
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I'd argue that the Law is still worth knowing, so as to gain a greater knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20 confirms as much, in my mind. Though, certain laws aren't exactly relevant anymore, nor are we to carry out the sentences prescribed. Yet we're still supposed to abide by what God thinks is wrong, though I'm sure that's obvious enough.
PeachDream said:
I mean that's what a lot of Gnostics believe.
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Rather ironic, considering he claimed I had a gnostic view of the body. He considers pleasure (especially sexual) to be fine and good, provided it's properly regulated. Whatever the truth of that, it would seem to only apply to one's spouse, and not to beasts. But that's where rejecting the OT comes into play.
 
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Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
I'd argue that the Law is still worth knowing, so as to gain a greater knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20 confirms as much, in my mind. Though, certain laws aren't exactly relevant anymore, nor are we to carry out the sentences prescribed. Yet we're still supposed to abide by what God thinks is wrong, though I'm sure that's obvious enough.
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It's important to remember it certainly. It just is a relic of a bygone age. A good one, but it it is important to remember WHY it was there in the first place and why it is gone now.
 
foreman 89 said:
What's everyone's opinion here on redeemed zoomer?
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foreman 89 said:
What do you think of the contributions he has done for the Christian faith online?
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That's your problem right there: you're looking for the Christian faith to be lived online. After many hundreds of hours of consumption and consideration, I've dolefully concluded that 99% of what YouTube Christianity spends its time talking about is utterly worthless and actively contrary to the formation of real faith. A man should not be earning his living by talking about God into a camera and a microphone. We are told what true religion is: "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." Does watching Redeemed Zoomer help you to love the people around you any better? Here's what I can say confidently, after all the hundreds of hours of consuming YouTube Christianity, I am no closer to loving anybody, and I am unable to take any theological positions on anything, because the inundation of nonsense has turned my mind to pudding. YouTube Christianity will rot your brain and hollow out your faith. It is a terrible thing!
 
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CAPTAIN MATI said:
You can't live by the Law of Moses because a large part of it is animal sacrifice in the tabernacle, which don't exist anymore.
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Exactly. Even the Reformed "theonomic" folks who preach using Mosaic law as a foundation for civic law ultimately develop sophisticated casuistry to map the Old Testament laws onto New Testament states. The more you focus on Old Testament law, the more your theology looks like the Talmud.
 
CAPTAIN MATI said:
You can't live by the Law of Moses because a large part of it is animal sacrifice in the tabernacle, which don't exist anymore.
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I see your point. Though, what of laws condemning incest, homosexuality, bestiality, and the like? I'd say such are worth preserving and following, insofar as considering them wrong is concerned.
 
Marcus Tullius Cicero said:
I see your point. Though, what of laws condemning incest, homosexuality, bestiality, and the like? I'd say such are worth preserving and following, insofar as considering them wrong is concerned.
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Those are moral laws, not civil legislation, of course we should follow them as examples, but there's no way to enforce them in the modern justice system any more than they're enforced in our systems as they are.
We're not a theocratic tribe, we're some bullshit humanitarian democracies now.
 
WelperHelper99 said:
So Moses finished up talking to God and gets the Ten Commandments. When he comes down from the mountain, he is pissed, breaks the tablets, slaps some sense into the jews for losing faith.

So he goes back up the mountain, gets the 10 Commandments AGAIN, just now with a bit extra: the law of Moses, the most byzantine set of rules you've ever seen. This was in effect punishment. If the Jews would stray so quickly after seeing the miracle of the parting of the Red Sea, God would make them remember him, every day.
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You must have a different Bible then mine, because you have the Book of Exodus completely out of order. Go back and read it again.
 
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EyeGuy said:
You must have a different Bible then mine, because you have the Book of Exodus completely out of order. Go back and read it again.
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Sorry for spitting facts. Shouldn't have worshiped the golden calf.
 
Sidetrack: Why atheism was so popular during the late 90s to the early 2010s?, was it something planned or related to antichrist stuff?, or just simply religious Burnout? After all most of the most prominent proponents we're either jewish or from distant jewish heritage and that was something that ya'll were discussing here on the first pages
 
I feel like there’s a massive autism fest in this thread about Catholic Church history and Doctrine autism sessions (delightful).

Either Church has a colorful history that often is distorted for whatever reason. Sometimes the truth is a lot less conspiracy and more two retards fighting or one genius being retarded.
 
Is thorp correct here? Are all people broken (in a metaphorical way of course) according to Christian or at least Catholic theology?
 
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WelperHelper99 said:
The 10 Commandments yes. Which were then broken once Moses saw the idol worrshping. Moses then had to go back, get another copy. THEN came the Law of Moses. Seethe jew.
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They weren't "worshipping an idol" they were committing infanticide in the name of other canaanite gods. Literally burning them in a giant golden statue. God gave them deliverance and when things got slightly tough they went back to worshipping demons.
 
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Can one Baptize themselves? When I first came to Christ it was late at night and I wasn't sure when I would be able to contact a clergyman for a proper baptism so, wanting to cover myself with the sacrament of Baptism, I did it myself under the sink using the trinitarian formula before having a proper one a few weeks later. My question, especially for those of you who think Baptism is required for salvation, would a "self-baptism" be valid, if I had passed away that night would it have covered me?
 
I was looking for Blue Demon pics that were more on-point for Holy Week and stuff, and found an article "Why Demons are So Terrified of Christ" gosh I figure it's because Jesus?
I just wanted to vent for a moment about dummies overthinking shit.
 
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I've been trying to become more spiritual and turn to Christ because I feel as if our world is just fucked up enough to end after all that's happened in just the last 4 years. I think the logical conclusion is that we as a species have been enduring horrible shit for centuries now so this is nothing new, we just have "the news" now, but I can't help but feel like something is on the horizon. I want to be one of God's elect because of the pure fear I have of an eternity being worse than what we have going on now if I don't repent. Anyone else feel this way?
 
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Which one is it anyway?
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