Harry Potter: Is Miriam Margolyes right that adult fans should 'grow up'? - Fans of the wizarding world have denounced Miriam Margoyles, who said the franchise was for children.

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I visited Platform 9 ¾ at Kings Cross station as a child. Obsessed with Harry Potter, I was convinced that if I ran through the wall I would find myself arm in arm with Ron and Hermione boarding the Hogwarts Express on my way to becoming a fully fledged witch.

Sure, I would have to leave my Muggle parents behind, but aged 10 that was a sacrifice I was prepared to make.

However, my attempt at running into a brick wall left me with little more than a bruised head, and the magic had, quite literally, been knocked out of me.

While this abruptly brought my dream of going to Hogwarts to an end, for some Harry Potter fans the fantasy lives on into adulthood.

It is no wonder then that fans have been sent into a frenzied meltdown on social media after Miriam Margolyes, who played Professor Pomona Sprout in the film series, told adult fans to "grow up" and get "over it".

In two recent interviews in New Zealand and Australia, the 82-year-old actress said she worries about adult Potter fans as "they should be over that by now".

"It was 25 years ago, and I think it's for children," Margolyes told New Zealand broadcaster TZNZ.

"I do Cameos [personalised video messages] and people say they are doing a Harry Potter-themed wedding, and I think, 'Oh gosh what is their first night of fun going to be?'"

The actress, who recently posed naked behind a stack of iced buns for a Vogue photoshoot, later told ABC News Australia that once teens are through puberty, "it's time to forget about it and go on to other things".

So, should adults set aside their wands, leave behind the wizarding world and accept that "it's for children", as Margolyes says?

For many millennials, Harry Potter is part of their identity. The books, written by JK Rowling, were released between 1997 and 2007, and the eight films between 2001 and 2011.

Most of us might occasionally re-watch the films on a Sunday afternoon and would do relatively well in a round of Harry Potter trivia, but for some people their interest extends far beyond this.

Jennifer Peiro and Hector Garcia are two content creators in their early 30s who run dedicated Harry Potter accounts on Instagram.

Peiro, whose account has over 120,000 followers, says that as an adult it is difficult to make friends, but her account helped her "connect with like-minded people". For Garcia, creating Hogwarts content "has been one of the most rewarding and healing parts of my adult life".

Both say the wizarding world provides a form of escapism and community for them.

"I regularly get comments from people all over the world saying how the story has saved them during dark times, how it's their safe space and comfort," Peiro explains.

Garcia adds his account "has evolved into something I can use to forget about life in a healthy and therapeutic way".

It is hard to blame these fans for wanting to swap the mundanity of everyday life for a world where potion classes and Quidditch matches reign supreme.

One Potterhead who is part of the fandom is Rachel Parker, a 32-year-old wedding planner who specialises in "nerdy themed" ceremonies.

As an adult, she has become heavily involved in the online community, which she says is the most enduring legacy of Harry Potter.

From online forums and fan fiction sites to real-life meet-ups and book clubs, the community "have almost overtaken the books themselves and created so much more", Parker explains.

Of course, Harry Potter is not the only fantasy world that some adults, like Rachel, are obsessed with. You will likely find people of all ages visiting Disney theme parks for the hundredth time or re-enacting Lord of the Rings battle scenes in their spare time.

In fact, the number of people attending Comicon, an annual comic convention where people dress up as fictional characters, has risen dramatically - there are now over 150,000 attendees every year.

Even more impressive is that Warner Bros Studio Tour London, where a number of the films were produced, has welcomed over 16 million visitors since it opened in 2012.

'Worst kind of bully'

So how have these diehard fans reacted to Margolyes telling them to pack away the robes and broomsticks in favour of more adult interests?

Maddi Harwood, 32, who runs an Instagram account dedicated to fantasy genre books , said she is "used to bullies making fun of me for loving Harry Potter".

"The worst kind of bully is someone who makes fun of another person for something they absolutely love and adore," she adds.

"It's unnecessary to shame people for enjoying something especially when she profits from Harry Potter," explains Peiro.

Critics and commentators have expressed mixed views about Margolyes's comments.

City AM's film critic Victoria Luxford told the BBC: "This isn't a conversation we have about music or sport, you don't grow up and stop supporting a football team or listening to your favourite artist so why should it be any different for films?"

She said Margolyes made the remark because she "didn't understand".

"It's a generational thing," Victoria suggests. "The idea of holding on to things from your childhood that you enjoy is a relatively recent thing".

Film critic Siobhan Synnot called Margolyes's comments "snobbish", adding: "Classic children's films may speak to adults too, it's about ambition, sophistication and quality, not age range".

However, Lindsey Fraser who was one of the first book critics to write a review of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone in 1997 for The Scotsman said: "The books are definitely children's books.

"But it was a clever move by Bloomsbury to publish 'adult' editions - the only difference being the jacket design."

It is not just some critics that agree with Margolyes, but some adults who loved Harry Potter as a child also think it's time people got over it.

"It's cute if you're a parent enjoying it with your children or watch it occasionally as a guilty pleasure, but the full-on fandom stuff is a mega red flag," 26-year-old Ellie Piggott told the BBC.

'Not a child's story'

Beyond escapism and comfort, some fans argue that the books are actually more catered towards adults.

"There are lots of real world issues behind all the magic that you wouldn't normally think of directing at children - themes like the true cost of war, depression, racism, sacrifice and corruption in government," says 34-year-old Kelly Komar, who is an avid Harry Potter collector.

Ioannis Karellis goes one step further. "At a high level, the story is about an evil racist tyrant and his band of followers who regularly torture and murder opposition and take political power by force to enforce their own world view on people - clearly this is not really a child's story."

The 26-year-old who re-reads the books regularly said he recently discovered a new interpretation.

"The ministry's denial of Voldemort's existence until it was absolutely irrefutable because of the fear of what that would mean draws parallels to how governments responded to Covid-19."

It certainly seems that adults remain very interested in the franchise.

In 2018, Mastermind asked applicants to change their specialist topics after the quiz show received 262 applications to answer questions about Harry Potter.

Matthew Cortland, who founded a chain of bars that offer immersive wizardry and magic experiences, says people are "fascinated by fantasy because it provides an alternate reality for people to exist in".

"Everyone wants to find a place they belong and when society rejects you, you seek comfort elsewhere," he adds.

It was Dumbledore who once said "happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light".

For many adults, no matter what Margolyes says, that light comes in the form of Harry Potter.
 
I was reading Conan the Cimmerian stories by the time all my friend got on the Harry Potter bandwagon. I read a few chapters, decided it was pablum meant for retards, and went back to my usual readings.

Considering how these stories seemingly broke my generation's brains, I'm happy that my readings pushed me towards lifting instead of trooning out
 
There's a beautiful 900 year old cathedral, it's grade 1 listed and UNESCO world heritage site. A remarkable feat of Norman engineering and Norman/Romanesque architecture situated on a holy site deigned by the corpse of a saint and King Canute himself. home to sainted relics and the burial spots of great people.
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how do they advertise themselves to potential visitors? Their brilliant choir? Amazing architecture? religious and historical importance? No they were used in a few scenes in the harry potter films...
decades of painstaking, brutal construction and engineering, hundreds of years of quiet prayer and devotion. Only to be treated like an attraction at a themepark I'm an atheist and this pisses me off.

Potterheads need to die.
 
Shatner said to get a life, too, and he’s still making money off of Star Trek fans who are still, inexplicably, paying to see him.

Whatever, I work for my own money, and if I want to spend it on vidya that, for bonus points, supports real women‘s causes and makes trannies seethe, I’ll do that. Unlike so many creatives who kiss tranny ass, JKR donates her wealth to people who deserve it and I’m glad to give her more. It’s more based than being a Disney Adult or, forgive me, consooming anime. However, I am always amused that the actors who chose trannies over JKR have dead careers while the ones who stood up for her are still enjoying their success.
 
She is not wrong. She's not talking about the people who enjoy the franchise and occasionally indulges on it, she's obviously talking about people who have made HP their whole identity. Same as Disney adults. It's for kids originally, and some adult entertainment for the parents to participate, but it was never about adults or for adults as a whole. At most, families.
 
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

-First Corinthians 13:11

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

CS Lewis


Oddly enough, CS Lewis appears to have been a devout Christian who disagreed with the bible.
 
She is wrong... its not for children, its for woman.

Also the only good part of harry potter is the guy without a nose trying to kill all english people....
 
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decades of painstaking, brutal construction and engineering, hundreds of years of quiet prayer and devotion. Only to be treated like an attraction at a themepark I'm an atheist and this pisses me off.
You can't really blame Potter fans for it, blame the fact that regular Christians don't come to the point the place needs to resort to this kind of promotion.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things."

-First Corinthians 13:11

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."

CS Lewis


Oddly enough, CS Lewis appears to have been a devout Christian who disagreed with the bible.
It's the other end of the scale when someone outright belittles people for their hobbies in being childish out of insecurity, which is childish by itself.

You can be an adult Potter fan, but if you are a cringy motherfucker I'm going to call you out on it.
 
It's fine to be a fan of something; the cringe comes when you make it your entire personality. The absolute worst are the malding troons on social media shrieking about Rowling.
Rowling is the absolute worst because she was one of them, she understood them.

They would firmly in their dying breath (and by dying, I mean, sperging on the internet because someone misgendered them) whisper, "Et tu, Rowling?"

Meanwhile, she's all off with her fuck-you money saying, "I don't even know who you are." And the consoomers in their impotent rage started actlng like, "we made you, and we can break you, too", as if there's some way they could siphon money off of her for having opinions they don't like.
 
There's a beautiful 900 year old cathedral, it's grade 1 listed and UNESCO world heritage site. A remarkable feat of Norman engineering and Norman/Romanesque architecture situated on a holy site deigned by the corpse of a saint and King Canute himself. home to sainted relics and the burial spots of great people.
Sure, but apparently no one cares about any of that which is why they need to advertise its role in Harry Potter. If it brings in money for the upkeep and preservation of historical structures I figure we take what we can get.

Much better than the standard approach throughout history which is to just let them fall into ruins, like a good 97% of Rome during the Middle Ages.
 
Sure, but apparently no one cares about any of that which is why they need to advertise its role in Harry Potter. If it brings in money for the upkeep and preservation of historical structures I figure we take what we can get.
You can't really blame Potter fans for it, blame the fact that regular Christians don't come to the point the place needs to resort to this kind of promotion.
it's a UNESCO world heritage site and a grade 1 listed building it should receive any funding it needs for maintenance and upkeep from the government without having to whore itself out.
 
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it's a UNESCO world heritage site and a grade 1 listed building it should receive any funding it needs for maintenance and upkeep from the government without having to whore itself out.
In an ideal world, I agree, but like I said the norm throughout history is for buildings no matter how historically significant to just fall into ruin when abandoned. Or be looted for building materials like Hadrian's Wall.

I'd rather take what we can and preserve them.
 
She’s absolutely right. These pathetic losers really do need to grow up.

It’s one thing to have a nostalgic fondness for media you appreciated as a child. I was really into the Narnia books as a kid and would happily sperg about how awesome they were. It’s one thing to revisit things from your youth and potentially find a new appreciation for. I’ve been reading them aloud to my nieces and they’re enthralled, which warms my heart to see kids today appreciate the books as much as I did back in the day. It’s one thing even to go back yourself and revisit memory lane every now and then. That’s all perfectly normal.

Harry Potter fans are not normal. Not by any stretch. They can’t just simply enjoy the books/movies with a healthy mentality. They cling to it like a life raft in a raging sea. They treat the fucking thing like a religion. I like The Chronicles of Narnia, they were a core part of my childhood and I’ll always treasure them. You won’t find me getting full body sleeves of Aslan fighting Jadis. You won’t see me at almost 40 years old cosplaying as Mr. Tumnus like a lot of middle aged adults do with HP. You won’t see me writing deviant perverted fanfic of Narnia characters (looking at you in particular Neil Gaiman) you won’t find me having an autistic temper tantrum if someone else doesn’t like Narnia or looking for ways to cancel C.S Lewis for wrongthink. Most importantly, unlike Harry Potter fans, I’ve read plenty of other books aside from the Narnia series. I still am fond of them, but they are children’s books and I eventually moved on to more adult fare as I matured mentally and emotionally.

Miriam is spot on
 
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