Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Markass the Worst]

It's funny how bugmen want to improve public transit except when it comes to crime. Infrequent trains? Just run more! Too high fares? Just subsidize them!
But crime? Suddenly they gaslight people into thinking crime doesn't exist and transit is Safe, Ackshually and there's no problem. Such disingenuous thinking.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It's funny how bugmen want to improve public transit except when it comes to crime. Infrequent trains? Just run more! Too high fares? Just subsidize them!
But crime? Suddenly they gaslight people into thinking crime doesn't exist and transit is Safe, Ackshually and there's no problem. Such disingenuous thinking.

It’s the Leopards Eat My Face party and they’re continually putting more leopards on the train.

 

[DavidS877]

It’s the Leopards Eat My Face party and they’re continually putting more leopards on the train.

Why do all you leopard truthers keep trying to tell people there are leopards on the train. There are no leopards on the train. If there were then there have been no leopard attacks on the train. If there have been attacks then there have been no fatal leopard attacks on the train. If there have been fatal leopard attacks on the train then the passengers deserved it.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I bet these are the same people who hate Kyle Rittenhouse despite his case being clear cut self defense. Yet these people want to deploy violence against something that isn't an immediate deadly threat.

But he crossed State lines bro, State lines (despite living 15 minutes away and it being the town he grew up in and currently works in)

Also Borders don't matter.

 

[Lemon-Lime Turpentine]

There's no crime in New York subways man! You've fallen for corporate news propaganda!

Anyway, back to discussing how climate change is going to wipe out humanity unless we ban cars.

 

[TowinKarz]

That, and daddy issues. Approximately 105% of western urbanites grew up in upper middle class families in the suburbs, and they fucking HATE their parents, and so they hate everything their parents ever considered good: suburbs, individual mobility, stable families, jobs, acting like half-decent human beings.

A lot of those pampered kids got a wake up call in 2008 and grew to regret all the times they dissed their parents for being corporate zombies who wasted their lives on homes in nice suburban communities with enough cars to share with everyone in the family when they realized that a bughive and bus pass wasn't nearly as fun as they though it'd be and thanks to the crap economy, they literally couldn't do any better.....

But the few who were determined to come out "right" in the end just doubled-down , and that's where we got these loudmouth "experts" on the way things ought to be. It HAS to work this way or they'll have to admit their parents were right, yet again. So they become True Believers (tm) in luxury gay no-car space communism.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Pretty sure that the "there IS no crime on subways" simping comes from the general left-wing attitude of criminal-coddling. The circle-jerk is worsening and pushing out "moderates", even for the crime of pointing out when someone WAS shot on a subway the other day.

 

[WelperHelper99]

One person points out that someone literally got shot in a random act of violence yesterday:

Shot by their own gun and stabbed. That is extreme violence. They were shanked first, presumably the guy that got stabbed went "fuck this", pulled out his glock, and then it got stolen in the brawl, and HE got shot. Holy fuck, the WWE is safer than a subway!

 

[WeinerProductions]

I'd understand not wanting to be around mentally unstable people on public transit. Anyone who has taken a bus or a train knows what I mean. They start talking to random people as if they know them personally. Some of them be on drugs and stuff. It's not a place you'd feel very comfortable.

 

[TowinKarz]

I'd understand not wanting to be around mentally unstable people on public transit. Anyone who has taken a bus or a train knows what I mean. They start talking to random people as if they know them personally. Some of them be on drugs and stuff. It's not a place you'd feel very comfortable.

I don't care if they're totally sane, unwanted small talk from a complete stranger who is too autistic to take the hint you don't care is one of the most frustrating and uncomfortable things that can happen to a person.

Honestly, I'd rather get stabbed for my wallet than have the guy next to me repeatedly ask if I know of anyone selling good used furniture sets even though I've already said "no" 5 times.

 

[80's Dad]

I want to point out this comment in particular, because (powerlevel) I have been in OP's position as a young adult on a school trip in Manhattan and it was my first time in a big city. First, redditor can't even be bothered to read OP's post where they say they are in college and instead invented that they were in 8th grade and their parents are Fox News enthusiasts, for some reason.

Anyway back to my trip. My takeaway was this. It was always so crowded. Whether it be walking around the city, sitting in the park, or taking the subway, there's people packed everywhere. It was so loud, even being 20 stories up at the hotel. Constantly hearing street noises, cars honking and police/EMT sirens all hours of the day and night. It was loud riding the subway. The people there were soulless. The stereotypes of New Yorkers was true. They won't give you the time of day and just stare right through you. And the whole city was grey and dirty. Litter and trash bags were all over the place and we saw multiple rats. We routed walks through Central Park just to see some greenery and looked forward to trips to the harbor to see the water and wide open sky.

I came back from this trip (and a subsequent trip a few years later) with a new found appreciation for what I have in my quiet, suburban life in a fly over state. I can open my window at night and feel the breeze and listen to crickets chirp and wake up listening to the birds sing. I can drive less than 20 minutes to a spot in the woods where I can go hiking and camping for some true peace and quiet. My neighbors will say 'hey' if we are out doing yardwork or give a little wave as I drive by and people will chat in line at the grocery or checking out books in the library. We have also figured out how trashcans work so we don't have a rat problem. Not going to lie though, there is litter. But I don't have to walk through it and the interior of my car is quiet and clean and comfortable and I know, without a doubt, that no one has pissed on the seat I am sitting on.

So dear redditor, a suburbanite visiting the big city will not awaken some bugman sector of their brain and start their journey down some path to a carfree, 15 minute city, walkable utopia. No. We come away with nothing but pity for you. Your lives are so small and restricted it saddens me that you don't realize how pathetic your situation truly is. You're free to live that 'life' if you want, but don't drag the rest of us down to that level.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

We have also figured out how trashcans work so we don't have a rat problem.

I don't think that New Yorkers (the non third-worlders anyway, which is an increasingly dying demographic) aren't necessarily retarded in how trash works, it's just the infrastructure.

New York has a lot of old buildings, and unless those walls are completely torn out or fumigated (both of which, due to permits and labor, is extremely expensive), they have endemic infestations of rodents and/or roaches even if the inside is immaculate. The other problem is that most of their trash vehicles aren't equipped for commercial pickup, because bugman dummies don't realize that a building adjacent to a paved area isn't just for "muh cars" it's for services too. It's hard enough for trucks to deliver, so they'll have to park in streets most of the time (alleyways are often too narrow). Meanwhile, your typical small business in non-New York areas usually has a dumpster or something similar, and a waste collection agency that can grab the whole container and shake everything out, which New York City only started rolling out literally a few months ago.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The thing I’ve noticed more and more with cities is they’re very …. “loading screen” like an old video game. In other words you are at a location, then loading screen, new location. Notice they always talk about stops never the journey. Because actually walking in these shitholes is quite dirty and shitty and everyone knows it.

Sure some suburbs are harder to walk in, but if you do it’s enjoyable. Even if everyone in New York disappeared tomorrow walking down the street is still basically gray and ugly.

I can see how “everyone fucking ignores you” might be a plus for some, but the small town or locality has the advantage of getting to know everyone even if you never talk to them.

Dealing with the town schitzo is hella easier than dealing with millions of random ones; at least if there’s only one you’ll know how likely he is to explode. In the city you can never relax.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The thing I’ve noticed more and more with cities is they’re very …. “loading screen” like an old video game. In other words you are at a location, then loading screen, new location. Notice they always talk about stops never the journey. Because actually walking in these shitholes is quite dirty and shitty and everyone knows it.

Sure some suburbs are harder to walk in, but if you do it’s enjoyable. Even if everyone in New York disappeared tomorrow walking down the street is still basically gray and ugly.

I can see how “everyone fucking ignores you” might be a plus for some, but the small town or locality has the advantage of getting to know everyone even if you never talk to them.

Dealing with the town schitzo is hella easier than dealing with millions of random ones; at least if there’s only one you’ll know how likely he is to explode. In the city you can never relax.

A city is basically using quick travel for EVERYTHING. And unlike quick travel, you might get shot in the middle of it if you look at some guy wrong, because you're all stuck on that bus or train together.

At least in a suburb, people know eachother and stick to their areas. Don't trespass on their house, and life is good. You also have a good shot in court if someone breaks into your house and you break out the shotty, it's your house.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Notice they always talk about stops never the journey.

I don't know.

Whenever I drive to Houston, Austin, or Waco, I have a pretty good idea of where I am at any given time, because I absorb the information all around me, and to a lesser extent my commutes to work. Unless I'm trying to find something I've never been to before, I'm never truly "lost" (and usually what happens is I turned too early or too late). While I'm sure the average bugman is completely screwed if he gets off on the wrong stop and has very little knowledge or awareness of his commute, I also have an above-average sense of direction.

On a related note, this is why I find even the best mass transit disorienting.
1. Drive to Houston, park in outlying parking lots. (Check)
2. Take shuttle to terminal. (Check)
3. Enter maze-like building, there's a tunnel into a cramped metal tube. (Check.)
4. LOADING...
5. Exit cramped metal tube into different tunnel. (Check...)
6. What the hell?! I'm in TENNESSEE? And why did time jump forward one more hour?!

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I don't know.

Whenever I drive to Houston, Austin, or Waco, I have a pretty good idea of where I am at any given time, because I absorb the information all around me, and to a lesser extent my commutes to work. Unless I'm trying to find something I've never been to before, I'm never truly "lost" (and usually what happens is I turned too early or too late). While I'm sure the average bugman is completely screwed if he gets off on the wrong stop and has very little knowledge or awareness of his commute, I also have an above-average sense of direction.

On a related note, this is why I find even the best mass transit disorienting.
1. Drive to Houston, park in outlying parking lots. (Check)
2. Take shuttle to terminal. (Check)
3. Enter maze-like building, there's a tunnel into a cramped metal tube. (Check.)
4. LOADING...
5. Exit cramped metal tube into different tunnel. (Check...)
6. What the hell?! I'm in TENNESSEE? And why did time jump forward one more hour?!

Goddamns it I was really hoping this post was going to go to "The Xarpho knows where he is at all times. He knows this because he knows where he isn't."

 

[quaawaa]

Whenever I drive to Houston, Austin, or Waco, I have a pretty good idea of where I am at any given time, because I absorb the information all around me, and to a lesser extent my commutes to work. Unless I'm trying to find something I've never been to before, I'm never truly "lost" (and usually what happens is I turned too early or too late). While I'm sure the average bugman is completely screwed if he gets off on the wrong stop and has very little knowledge or awareness of his commute, I also have an above-average sense of direction.

It’s definitely my experience that people who outsource their transportation have no clue how to navigate around a city and get lost extremely easily.

Back when I lived in a dense city, my friends were always shocked that I knew my way around town. They looked at me with amazement whenever I retraced our steps or gave them directions somewhere without using my phone.

My navigational abilities aren’t because I’m some sort of savant, but rather because I drive and walk to places instead of taking Ubers and transit everywhere. When you move yourself around, you just naturally keep track of places you’ve been, the turns you make, and things you see along your routes.

If you stare at your phone on the bus/train/taxi, you have no clue where you’re going. Looking out the window helps, but it’s no replacement for actually moving yourself.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

If you stare at your phone on the bus/train/taxi, you have no clue where you’re going. Looking out the window helps, but it’s no replacement for actually moving yourself.

Yeah, my navigation improved a lot more when I was driving myself. When taking trips on family vacations, even if I had been there before, there was a lot of "whole lot of nothing" areas that I couldn't place (though a lot of that could be attributed to not paying attention). Now I can, so even rural areas have a place now.

In transit, looking out the window (if it's not completely disgusting) is a crapshoot. I remember in the Dallas light rail, half of it was underground, which is impossible to tell where anything is. In transit in general, looking out the window either outs you as a tourist or in less forgiving areas, an easy mark.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

My navigational abilities aren’t because I’m some sort of savant

You're on the Kiwi Farms, don't lie

 

[Atypical Dog]

The thing I’ve noticed more and more with cities is they’re very …. “loading screen” like an old video game. In other words you are at a location, then loading screen, new location. Notice they always talk about stops never the journey. Because actually walking in these shitholes is quite dirty and shitty and everyone knows it.

Sure some suburbs are harder to walk in, but if you do it’s enjoyable. Even if everyone in New York disappeared tomorrow walking down the street is still basically gray and ugly.

Live in the city. Don't like the actual walking around that much but the sheer density and number of locations fires my brain neurons. I'm always thinking things like "how many people live/work here?" or "wonder how many of these apartments/offices are actually occupied?" While it's not peaceful or fun to walk around, being crowded and ugly, it has a different kind of charm.

Agreed on the loading screen, though. For most people, most of the time, you think only about point A and point B, with everything in the middle being generic "eh". It's only after I started driving/commuting around that I really started to understand where and how everything connects. In some ways there's just too much city to think about.