US The Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrants can own a gun - Yes this is real and its Illinois

In 2020, Heriberto Carbajal-Flores was accused of carrying a firearm. In the third attempt to dismiss, Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman argued "the noncitizen possession statute violates the Second Amendment."

The Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrants can possess a firearm and prohibiting them from doing so would be unconstitutional.

Although federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from carrying weapons, the court recently ruled that Heriberto Carbajal-Flores, an illegal immigrant, was wrongly prohibited from possessing a gun. District Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman - appointed by former President Barack Obama - stated that "the non-citizen possession statute, 18 USC § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment."

The case dates back to 2020
In 2020, Heriberto Carbajal-Flores, an illegal immigrant, was accused of carrying a firearm in Chicago. The defendant's lawyers tried to dismiss the case on two different occasions. However, they have not obtained significant results until now.

In the most recent motion, the lawyers relied on a 2022 Supreme Court ruling that "governments must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation (...) Only if a regulation on firearms is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual's conduct falls outside the Second Amendment's 'unqualified command.'"

The lawyers argued that the government could not demonstrate that the federal law prohibiting illegal immigrants from carrying weapons is "part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms":

Lifetime disarmament of an individual based on alienage or nationality alone does not have roots in the history and tradition of the United States.

They also pointed out other failures. Among them, one appeals court declared that "stripping a man convicted of a nonviolent crime or his gun rights was unconstitutional." After the plea, the judges ruled in favor of Carbajal-Flores:

The government argues that Carbajal-Flores is a noncitizen who is unlawfully present in this country. The court notes, however, that Carbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020.

Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants. The court finds that Carbajal-Flores’ criminal record, containing no improper use of a weapon, as well as the non-violent circumstances of his arrest do not support a finding that he poses a risk to public safety such that he cannot be trusted to use a weapon responsibly and should be deprived of his Second Amendment right to bear arms in self-defense.

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The judge is affirmative action hire by obama administration

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Paging @Useful_Mistake to explain to us this shit if it's supreme court or apelate i am so confused
 
huh

how does the US Constitution apply to people in the country illegally?
I paged useful mistake since his autism about legalese is unmatched to explain because my head is spinning right now on what i have read the rulling is real the judge is real . So this ia not the supreme court but Dunno what court is this .
 
Is this the backdoor way to make the typical 2A-supporters turn against the Second Amendment and start backing Government gun confiscations? "So the illegals don't have 'em?" Bold move, if true.

In any case, maybe once the illegals start arming themselves, we'll collectively realize that this is a migratory barbarian invasion. Or we'll just speed up the collapse of this rotten Empire.
 
how does the US Constitution apply to people in the country illegally?
The bill of rights does not grant rights. It recognizes rights given by God. It then restricts the government from interfering in said God given rights. Every other constitution protection is maintained for illegal citizens except the 2nd.
 
Is this the backdoor way to make the typical 2A-supporters turn against the Second Amendment and start backing Government gun confiscations? "So the illegals don't have 'em?" Bold move, if true.

In any case, maybe once the illegals start arming themselves, we'll collectively realize that this is a migratory barbarian invasion. Or we'll just speed up the collapse of this rotten Empire.
"How do we convince the chuds to give up their guns? I know! Let's have them think the only way for them there illegals to give up their guns will be to ban guns outright! Genius!"
The issue with this idea is ALL the guns these illegals will own will be from Mexican cartels and other black market sources, because even if its legal, you can bet most gun shops won't allow people without a FOID card to even touch a gun.
Also Illinois is a shithole, but outside of the main three bughives (Chicago, Springfield, Champaign-Urbana-Savoy) its a red as blood state. Pedro is going to have a hard time getting a firearm from Amos and Bobby at the local firearm shop.
 
The Supreme Court ruled that illegal immigrants can possess a firearm and prohibiting them from doing so would be unconstitutional.
Cool. Enjoy that right until you are arrested by ICE and deported.

They might have a right to own a gun but they have no right to be in this country.
 
I can't wait for the day that one of those judges on the supreme court is walking to their car and some illegal puts a hollow point through their head. We'll see how fucking smart that ruling is then.

If you have a domestic abuse complaint on your record, or you have spent time in a mental institution or you are a convicted felon it is literally almost impossible to get the right to have a gun back. But by all means, person who doesn't belong here and literally broke international laws to be here... take as many firearms as you want!

FUCK this country. I can't wait until China conquers us.
You can make this retarded argument to ban guns for everyone. If you want security instead of liberty go to Britain.
 
Paging @Useful_Mistake to explain to us this shit if it's supreme court or apelate i am so confused
Despite the weird name in the article, it is a Illinois District court.
how does the US Constitution apply to people in the country illegally?
From Shaughnessy v. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 73 S. Ct. 625, 97 L. Ed. 956 (1953) ("It is true that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law."), and Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 102 S. Ct. 2382 (1982) ("Aliens, even aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful, have long been recognized as "persons" guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. Indeed, we have clearly held that the Fifth Amendment protects aliens whose presence in this country is unlawful from invidious discrimination by the Federal Government") both of which overruled Kwong Hai Chew v. Colding, 344 U.S. 590 (1953) which held that such protection only applied to legal aliens.

This all is a stupid decision from an Illinois judge because it's well established that felons can't own guns, and illegal entry into United States is a Federal felony, and I would guess that in literally any scenario it should preclude the person from buying and possessing a gun. Guess Illinois would wish to give grander rights to illegals than legals
 
You can make this retarded argument to ban guns for everyone. If you want security instead of liberty go to Britain.
I'm making the argument that a lot of Americans can't get a gun but someone who literally broke the law to be here can get one, which is fucking absurd to me.

I'm a libertarian but Jesus Christ even I have limits. Getting a gun in America should at least come with the caveat of you know... legally being a fucking American.
 
I'm making the argument that a lot of Americans can't get a gun but someone who literally broke the law to be here can get one, which is fucking absurd to me.

I'm a libertarian but Jesus Christ even I have limits. Getting a gun in America should at least come with the caveat of you know... legally being a fucking American.
There should be no restrictions on guns at all.
 
Is this the backdoor way to make the typical 2A-supporters turn against the Second Amendment and start backing Government gun confiscations? "So the illegals don't have 'em?" Bold move, if true.
Illegals are breaking the law by being here. We don't allow felons to have guns. Simple as.
 
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