Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[GilaCutter]

Oh yeah, it's the Rick Worley special edition video. It has been shared here on this thread before:

And frankly, it's your loss for not watching it. This is one of very, very, VERY few videos about Star Wars that is actually worth sitting through. Do you have any idea how much of a rarity it is to find one of those? To find a video about SW on YouTube that isn't either surface level, full of misinformed "common knowledge" or just plain grifting? You might not care about his conclusions, but I do think Rick brings a lot of interesting points, and I genuinely agree with pretty much everything he says here.

I mean, yeah, but again, it's three fucking hours, and based on at least some of it and the comments I saw, it doesn't seem like any of the information, or at least the major points in it, are actually new to me.

 

[Adamska]

Perhaps they'll be nuSith. They'll call themselves GRAY Sith! Neither light nor darkness, only POWAH! Don't mind the red lightsabers, selfishness, and power-hungry attitude, the gray Sith are the real good guys because both Jedi and oldSith are 'too narrow-minded'. Expect lots of whining about the damn Jedi being too passive and the Sith too exclusive due to the rule of two. What about all the black women who want to use and abuse the Force as they see fit?! Who is this little green man to tell me torturing my oppressor with Force lightning is bad and I should not do it?!

The gray Sith are an inclusive order not ruled by OLD WHITE MEN. Their goal is a forcefully peaceful transformation of the galaxy, because if you have power, you should use it! Make things the way YOU want them to be, whether others like it or not! The gray Sith are a force of good, honest! Totally not just like the other Sith order! There is a major difference - a wise black woman in charge, which ensures the dindu nuffin dark side won't be corrupted by white people.

Yes and no. They're just going to do grayside bullshit because they legitimately despise objective standards of morality. Mainly because a decent minority of the staff writing this should be in prison themselves.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I mean, yeah, but again, it's three fucking hours, and based on at least some of it and the comments I saw, it doesn't seem like any of the information, or at least the major points in it, are actually new to me.

seriously I could just fucking watch Star Wars again
they're probably some nice enough points that would make for a good multi-paragraph essay, but fuck sitting through some asshole getting that youtube nickel

 

[el bandito loco]

do any of you autists know if there is anything worth half of a fuck to read in mickey mouse canon? I got excited because John Jackson Miller is coming back to do a book of the Phantom Menace Jedi Council on an adventure, which I'm going to buy.

I'm a huge EU faggot since those Qui Gon Obi Wan books for kids started and my dad and uncle between them had all the adult books so by high school I was keeping up with fate of the Jedi as they were coming out.

I read the few books that essentially started as legends and got dropped into canon last minute (Tarkin, Thrawn, Heir to the Jedi) & Lords of the Sith which was okay. I read the first two canon Vader comics and liked them okay but the third one (that's still going) is fucking horrible. Interesting first arc, totally lost me after by doing a Rise of ShitWalker tie in and then kept the handmaiden story going for like 3 fucking years.

I tried reading Timothy Zahn's new Thrawn books but after the first one he's so far up his own ass and there are too many tie ins to those faggy shit cartoons by that freak filoni that everyone worships for me to give enough of a shit to read them all.

Isn't there an Obi Wan Qui Gon canon novel? Is that good? Also it seems like there is more of a focus on YA shit in new canon than the old. they always did both but it seems like there's way more these days but that might be my outsider perception.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

do any of you autists know if there is anything worth half of a fuck to read in mickey mouse canon? I got excited because John Jackson Miller is coming back to do a book of the Phantom Menace Jedi Council on an adventure, which I'm going to buy.

I'm a huge EU faggot since those Qui Gon Obi Wan books for kids started and my dad and uncle between them had all the adult books so by high school I was keeping up with fate of the Jedi as they were coming out.

I read the few books that essentially started as legends and got dropped into canon last minute (Tarkin, Thrawn, Heir to the Jedi) & Lords of the Sith which was okay. I read the first two canon Vader comics and liked them okay but the third one (that's still going) is fucking horrible. Interesting first arc, totally lost me after by doing a Rise of ShitWalker tie in and then kept the handmaiden story going for like 3 fucking years.

I tried reading Timothy Zahn's new Thrawn books but after the first one he's so far up his own ass and there are too many tie ins to those faggy shit cartoons by that freak filoni that everyone worships for me to give enough of a shit to read them all.

Isn't there an Obi Wan Qui Gon canon novel? Is that good? Also it seems like there is more of a focus on YA shit in new canon than the old. they always did both but it seems like there's way more these days but that might be my outsider perception.

Some of the Vader comics are half-decent. I stress SOME because others get way too crazy.

 

[Male Idiot]

It's based off a design from the sequels. They're probably just too lazy to come up with anything new. I wonder if a lot of the aliens having similar looks is because they don't want to waste time making up new designs for the puppeteering on them.

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That looks like a wookie had a sorry consent accident with an orangutan.

Swtor and other old sith were cool hammy villains, not diversely obnoxious underdogs. They liked power, jackboots and hammy dialogue, too manly and chudly for Disney.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

This is because the protoplasmic lifeforms gurgling and using ChatGPT to write fanfiction fundamentally do not understand that the dark side is unambiguously evil.

"So, I've added this power that's supposed narratively represent how our worst urges can corrupt us the more we give into them, a power that feeds off of you grounding yourself in a toxic and selfish mindset that will eventually corrupt even the most noble of intentions."

"Okay, but what if we just used that power.... But like without any of those pesky consequences?"

I doubt it'll go that far. I mean, in the end, we are talking about Disney and the current crop of writers who usually scream ''fascist man bad'', and the Sith are space fascists in every sense of the word.

You're too optimistic. The Empire, and Sidious are the hecking nazi pigs stealing the culture and accomplishments of a galactic minority! The Sith are just a religion that have gotten a bad rap from those oppressive, fascist jedi who want to be compassionate and merciful even to people we hate. Sidious only happened because those narrow-minded shit lords killed and/or gatekeeped all the good sith.

Mark my words, the jedi being killed in the trailer are either gonna end up deserving it, or it's gonna turn out the actual killer is another jedi and we've all been deceived.

Swtor and other old sith were cool hammy villains, not diversely obnoxious underdogs. They liked power, jackboots and hammy dialogue, too manly and chudly for Disney.

Disney has yet to make a Sith drop any lines as cool as "I believe in the democratization of fear."

 

[Imperial Citizen]

How does this reconcile with the whole "balance in the force" concept? I may be talking out of my arse here but I thought the Star Wars universe prohibits the forces of darkness being so limited whilst the forces of light are so much more prevalent. Though maybe with Harvey's chief enabler ditching good/evil, right/wrong in favour of who's allowed to exercise power, balance in the force becomes redundant.

The Sith and other dark side force users are a corruption, not a natural aspect of the force. They often end up with a few powerful beings because the dark side is all about individual pursuit of power. Rivals are dangerous and must be destroyed.

Balancing the force is excising the cancer that is the dark side.

There is a discussion to be had about the nature of who gets to wield power. The Jedi effectively created a monopoly on galactic force using groups, all non-dark side groups pretty much being relegated to a local culture and never growing beyond it. A story exploring the philosophy of the Jedi and how they engage with the rest of the galaxy would be interesting but I would not want it to be made under Disney.

 

[el bandito loco]

I just can't believe how hard they dropped the ball in general. In a decade we had 1 good movie (rogue one) and 1 decent show (andor). we had 3 horrible movies, 8 mediocre to garbage tv shows. It's not that hard.

they're also retarded for not just hiring some guys to do a group of animated tv shows, call it star wars legends *insert era here* and just adapting all of the novels and comics into various animation styles (I'd bring back gendy for the clone wars MMP based stuff but that's me) and in those they can fix all the minor continuity errors that people who've never read legends claim are worse than they are, (they exist but really outside of Dave "jailbait" Felony's Clone Wars show fucking everything up really aren't too bad) market it as their alt universe and get some old fans to actually care what they're doing.

It's free money sitting on the table. fuck Hamill would have probably done the voice of Luke for free after the last jedi and so he could share the screen with Mara Jade even if it was a cartoon. hell to expand it even though it's all already done you could hire the guys who did Dawn of the Jedi and Legacy II to actually do what they wanted to but got cut short in their cartoon versions. could integrate the events of I, Jedi into JA trilogy as part of the normal narrative, give us the legends canon adaptation of the Kotor duology, etc. If they're that scared of people thinking its their continuity before the opening crawl put the same shit in the beginning of the legends reissues of books up to say this shit is canon only to itself.

It wasn't all good, some of it is terrible. But at least it's an alternative and they could have both new canon fans, EU fans, and casuals watching more of their shit.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Padme didn't lead to the fall of Naboo... at least until the Empire ruled and she was dead by then.

She put the Emperor of the galaxy on the throne. It's absolutely her fault. Also she was a hypocrite.

I got excited because John Jackson Miller is coming back to do a book of the Phantom Menace Jedi Council on an adventure, which I'm going to buy.

That's the guy who wrote the Kenobi book about a hot Tusken Raider chick? Or did I imagine that last part?

Dawn of the Jedi

Lanoree Brock novel?

 

[el bandito loco]

That's the guy who wrote the Kenobi book about a hot Tusken Raider chick? Or did I imagine that last part?

I don't know she was supposed to be hot she had one eye lmao but he also wrote the fantastic KotoR prequel comics. and lost tribe of the Sith which was a series of tie ins to Fate of the Jedi which are mediocre but I liked his Kenobi book (although it didn't focus on him enough) but I really liked the KotoR comics. As far as that era goes Tales of the Jedi is my favorite but the JJM Kotor comics are something different and awesome too. I wish they would have eventually adapted both games because i want to see what the fuck the legends canon version of 2 even is because its literally not playable in the game due to cut content and party restrictions as a female.

Lanoree Brock novel?

not the novel specifically but the comics which were the main story for that era but the Disney buyout happened and so a planned 30-50 issue series ended up being like 20 so it's rushed and not very good. I'm not sure it would have been good at all but I'd like to see the original intention at least. The novel is a hard okay it's not as good as the comics were but they also were just okay.

 

[make_it_so]

In a decade we had 1 good movie (rogue one) and 1 decent show (andor)

Debatable on both points.

 

[el bandito loco]

Debatable on both points.

they were the only things I could sit through without getting physically ill or angry. I walked out of rogue one unhappy but thinking it was better than TFA which to this day is the single worst movie watching experience I've ever had, but as years have gone by and I've seen more of mickey mouse jerking off at the screen with star wars it might as well be citizen Kane in comparison to what has followed.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

do any of you autists know if there is anything worth half of a fuck to read in mickey mouse canon?

No, why would I want rotting garbage instead of a bacon cheeseburger?

 

[el bandito loco]

No, why would I want rotting garbage instead of a bacon cheeseburger?

That's what I figured.

 

[make_it_so]

they were the only things I could sit through without getting physically ill or angry. I walked out of rogue one unhappy but thinking it was better than TFA which to this day is the single worst movie watching experience I've ever had, but as years have gone by and I've seen more of mickey mouse jerking off at the screen with star wars it might as well be citizen Kane in comparison to what has followed.

I was completely bored during Rogue One, and walked out disappointed. All the praise that I subsequently saw for it was baffling to me, especially since so much of it focused on the last 20 minutes of the film, which was more connected to the other, better movie that everyone remembered. RLM's parodying of it in their Nerd Crew episode was spot on.

TFA was enjoyable for me to watch at the time, but in the years since it's become pretty clear how badly that fucked up everything not just for the Star Wars franchise, but for Hollywood franchise movie making as a whole.

 

[el bandito loco]

I was completely bored during Rogue One, and walked out disappointed. All the praise that I subsequently saw for it was baffling to me, especially since so much of it focused on the last 20 minutes of the film, which was more connected to the other, better movie that everyone remembered. RLM's parodying of it in their Nerd Crew episode was spot on.

TFA was enjoyable for me to watch at the time, but in the years since it's become pretty clear how badly that fucked up everything not just for the Star Wars franchise, but for Hollywood franchise movie making as a whole.

rogue one was good because it has the star wars spirit. it also was helped that all of it felt like a movie with a beginning middle and end.

TFA I rented out an entire theater auditorium out for and with friends of mine. We saw it mightnight release. I don't smoke weed. On the way there I smoked 3 backwoods blunts to myself. when I'm stoned I overanalyze shit. I only like to smoke weed to either fuck, or watch tv because of this. TFA made me physically angry I was stoned off my ass and 5 seconds into the movie we have Poe looking at Kylo and giving the joss whedon quip "who talks first? I talk first" and my high ass knew oh no this is going to suck ass. I already had my reservations because the title crawl started with "Luke Skywalker has disappeared"

then we get almost to the end of the movie. I've already dealt with the fact Han solo was character assassinated to the point he was where he was at the beginning of the original star wars which does not track with who he was at the end of Jedi regardless of the EU. and there is a scene with a hologram where they said this was the death star, then something that looks the same but 10 times bigger showed up and they said this is Star killer base, and I walked the fuck out to go drink beer in the car.

it was because I don't smoke weed and was hyper analysing things but I was like dude this is the same movie again, without any fucking soul. I was growing up with the prequels but my favorite movie of all time since I was a toddler was star wars 77 and I literally felt assaulted by the fucked up corporate faggotry that was episode 7/

 

[Screamer_2]

they're also retarded for not just hiring some guys to do a group of animated tv shows, call it star wars legends *insert era here* and just adapting all of the novels and comic

It's because they're fools and don't understand the audience or consumers. They also simply aren't fans of the material. They hang onto stupid notions like everything being canon and consistent. Then are too incompetent to do so but still cling to the notion. They treat the audience as idiots.

When they could just hire the people who do the DC animated stuff and go, "make Heir to the Empire." Then have the audience happy and no one caring it doesn't align with the sequels. Ego is also another aspect. I don't think in the current era people want to admit they made the wrong decisions. Especially people the KK who spent a career working with extremely talented people calling the shots. She facilitated their greatness and eventually got tricked into thinking she could do what they do. Then gets frustrated and petulant when it turns out she can't do it on her own. It's everyone else's fault.

 

[el bandito loco]

It's because they're fools and don't understand the audience or consumers. They also simply aren't fans of the material. They hang onto stupid notions like everything being canon and consistent. Then are too incompetent to do so but still cling to the notion. They treat the audience as idiots.

When they could just hire the people who do the DC animated stuff and go, "make Heir to the Empire." Then have the audience happy and no one caring it doesn't align with the sequels. Ego is also another aspect. I don't think in the current era people want to admit they made the wrong decisions. Especially people the KK who spent a career working with extremely talented people calling the shots. She facilitated their greatness and eventually got tricked into thinking she could do what they do. Then gets frustrated and petulant when it turns out she can't do it on her own. It's everyone else's fault.

I'm part of a star wars legends group and the dude who runs it basically told me his take on why this doesn't exist is that he thinks they'd take it as either an admission they fucked up or the KK & D+ camp would be offended by people saying the adapted legends material is better. I think your point (and his) stands that its an ego issue.

now if I worked for Disney in the Lucas film department I'd say this is retarded because even people invested in canon shit would still pay for and watch legends material, but I do think it probably comes down to we won't admit our shit sucks. A lot of people hate Troy Dennings EU material but if the sequel trilogy was verbatim Legacy of the Force it would critically have done better. Regardless of the fact it sucks it at least was a planned story even if it was Deming and Traviss fighting over specifics with a tug of war.

 

[Jaimas]

do any of you autists know if there is anything worth half of a fuck to read in mickey mouse canon? I got excited because John Jackson Miller is coming back to do a book of the Phantom Menace Jedi Council on an adventure, which I'm going to buy.

I'm a huge EU faggot since those Qui Gon Obi Wan books for kids started and my dad and uncle between them had all the adult books so by high school I was keeping up with fate of the Jedi as they were coming out.

I read the few books that essentially started as legends and got dropped into canon last minute (Tarkin, Thrawn, Heir to the Jedi) & Lords of the Sith which was okay. I read the first two canon Vader comics and liked them okay but the third one (that's still going) is fucking horrible. Interesting first arc, totally lost me after by doing a Rise of ShitWalker tie in and then kept the handmaiden story going for like 3 fucking years.

I tried reading Timothy Zahn's new Thrawn books but after the first one he's so far up his own ass and there are too many tie ins to those faggy shit cartoons by that freak filoni that everyone worships for me to give enough of a shit to read them all.

Isn't there an Obi Wan Qui Gon canon novel? Is that good? Also it seems like there is more of a focus on YA shit in new canon than the old. they always did both but it seems like there's way more these days but that might be my outsider perception.

Short version: No. The loss of the EU was never worth anything that Disney brought to the table. At best you get shittier versions of the EU works. At worst you get shit like Doctor Aphra. Avoid.